Like the Chicago game? Or the KC game? Is that what you would be referring to? Selective memory?
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Like the Chicago game? Or the KC game? Is that what you would be referring to? Selective memory?
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Chicago doesn't have elite corners. Ty Law hasn't been an elite corner for some time. The KC defense is 15th in the NFL right now. How is that an elite defense? Take away the 49 yard TD reception on blown coverage to begin the game and Anquan was 3 for 22. Really dominating performance.
Anquan did have a great day against the Bears, but where was he, exactly, when the team needed him when the score was 24-23? 2 catches for 12 yards and no first downs? 11 YPC for the game? He got a lot of catches. I've never said that he didn't. But did he come up big when the team needed him? 2 for 12 and no first downs.
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Hang on Anquan was playing great until Fitz went down against KC and they just doubled him.
How were the Bears playing prevent? They were manning us the whole game that's why it was so maddening watching us run Edge over and over when it was obvious they couldn't stop Anquan on the outside.
I agree with your premise that a superstar should play well against elite players, it just seems you're only willing to look at what suits you. KC hadn't allowed a single passing TD when we played them, the Bears were invincible, 19-0 rolling to the Superbowl.
No more excuses. I'm jumping on your bandwagon. If any WR in his 4th season quits on a route in the first quarter of any NFL game then he needs to be cut that night. Especially on the Cardinals where that kind of player has plagued the team for decades. No wonder this team is 4-12 and appears to have lost to the worst team in the NFL (Oakland,Houston,SF twice) for the fourth straight time.
And since according to you the ability to use experience to anticipate what is going to happen on the football field doesn't exist we can easily replace him with some rookie.
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I never thought KC's D was that good. Your KC stat comes from a limited sample size against bad offenses (early Cincy, Denver, and SF). The Bears were invincible, but it wasn't because of their cornerbacks, it was because of their pass rush and run defense. Nathan Vasher isn't that good, he looks much better because of his pass rush.
Even against Ty Law, Anquan looked a little questionable giving up on another INT that he might have had an opportunity to defend.
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You're right, DJ. This is exactly what I'm saying.
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Cincy doesn't have a bad offense, neither does SF although not a great passing offense.
I don't care why the Bears pass defense is good, pass rush makes it harder on the WR too as they know they have to get open quicker or the QB is going to get hit.
KC was Matt's first start, Bears his 2nd, Fitz wasn't there, Anquan stepped up and helped a rookie QB in his first 2 NFL starts, I think he gets some credit for that?
I don't think he's the best WR in the NFL either just think he is still the heart and soul of this team.
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Back at the beginning of the season, a lot of people were asking what was wrong with Cincy's offense, and you know that your post was commenting directly on SF's passing offense. Alex Smith was starting at Arrowhead, wasn't he? Hard to imagine that he might have some difficulty here.
Again, I think that people often need to be reminded of what my thesis is here. I know it's from all of two pages ago, and it's easy to get distracted, but here's what I'm saying and have been saying all along:
I agree that he's probably the "heart and soul" of the offense, but isn't it a problem when the heart and soul is loafing at the end of games? When the heart and soul shuts it down against elite competition?
It's even worse if, as you and others say, the heart and soul of the team is quitting at the beginning of the game.
It would be an indication that RiceBostonTJones disease is still alive and well in Arizona and that turning things around will be a far bigger challenge than many would believe.
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So, in this case you're willing to use subjective judgement, but in others only objective information will satisfy you? I just want to be clear on when someone can disregard statistics and when they can't.
Like most fans Kerouc9 doesn't have a clue who is good and who isn't. He just throws out his slanted opinion to start an argument so he can satisfy his craving to use the
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No, I can quantify the reasons for this judgement, all you have to do is ask. The attitide isn't really appreciated, though.
Vasher's tied with a half-dozen players for 9th in the NFL in INTs. One of those players is his teammate Ricky Manning, Jr., who I believe is a nickel back. So, is it his skill, or his pass rush?
At the same time, he's tied for 14th in the NFL in passes defensed, one behind Quentin Jammer, one ahead of Richard Marshall. It's a solid place to be, no doubt.
Do I think that Vasher's a chump? Of course not. He's 10 times better than Antrel Rolle. But do I think he's elite--among the top dozen or so corners in the NFL? Not really. I think he's right there with Jammer in the top 25 or so.
That being said, cornerback is one of the hardest positions in the NFL to quantify production, since most QBs avoid the best corners altogether, and they don't get a chance to put up huge stats--as we all remember from the Aeneas Williams era. I wonder if the best way to think about it is if you worry about your QB when that team comes up on the schedule. I worry about my QB against DeAngelo Hall, Chris McAllister, Champ Bailey, and Marcus Trufant. I don't worry about him against Jammer and Vasher nearly as much.
If you want to make the case that Nathan Vasher is an elite corner, I'd like to hear the arguement. I'd even more like to hear you actually debate any of the points that I made in this thread about Anquan Boldin. But since no one has anything to say about that, apparently, I'm just going to guess that any further discussion is homerism.
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Like most fans Kerouc9 doesn't have a clue who is good and who isn't. He just throws out his slanted opinion to start an argument so he can satisfy his craving to use the
I didn't start this thread. And I hardly ever use smilies.
That's rich coming from you.
Personally, I was simply respecting your original wishes as expressed here on the first page of this thread:
So...man, the kid just doesn't get it.Kerouac9 said:
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Tempe, AZ – Arizona Cardinals wide receiver Anquan Boldin and safety Adrian Wilson have been selected to represent the NFC in the 2007 Pro Bowl. It is the second career selection for Boldin and the first for Wilson.
Wilson becomes the fifth safety in franchise history selected to the Pro Bowl and the first since Tim McDonald in 1992. He joins McDonald (1989, ‘91, ‘92), Jerry Norton (1959, ‘60-61), Don Paul (1953), and Hall of Famer Larry Wilson (1962-63, ‘65-70).
Boldin, who was selected to the Pro Bowl as a rookie in 2003, joins Mel Gray (1974-77) and Roy Green (1983-84) as the only Cardinals receivers to earn multiple Pro Bowl selections. Five other receivers earned one selection - David Boston (2001), Larry Fitzgerald (2005), Rob Moore (1997), J.T. Smith (1988), and Pat Tilley (1980).
Wilson, the only player in the NFC with at least four sacks and four interceptions, became the first player in NFL history with two defensive touchdowns of 99+ yards in a single season. He set a franchise record with his 99-yard interception return for a touchdown in Atlanta on October 1 and his 99-yard fumble return for a touchdown at Minnesota on November 26 ranks fifth-longest in NFL history. In addition to his four interceptions and four sacks, Wilson ranks third on the team with 80 tackles, has forced four fumbles and recovered two.
Boldin leads the Cardinals with 75 receptions for 1,027 yards and has recorded four receiving touchdowns. He became only the second player in franchise history (Roy Green) to post three 1,000-yard receiving seasons in a career. With 100-yard receiving games in 2006, he is now tied for 3rd in franchise history in that category and his 224 career receptions now rank 9th in team history. Earlier this season, the fourth-year receiver became the all-time fastest NFL player to reach 300 career receptions when he hit the mark in Oakland, taking him only 47 games.
Fitzgerald and kicker Neil Rackers were both selected to the Pro Bowl last season and this marks the first time since 1996-1997 that multiple Cardinals have been selected in consecutive seasons. Rob Moore and Aeneas Williams went in 1997, a year after Williams, Lomas Brown, Larry Centers, and Eric Swann were selected in 1996.
The 2007 Pro Bowl will be played at Aloha Stadium in Honolulu on Saturday, February 10 and will be televised by CBS.
Wilson and Boldin will be available to discuss their selections today at 3:00 PM in the press conference room at the Cardinals training facility.
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Tempe, AZ – Arizona Cardinals wide receiver Anquan Boldin and safety Adrian Wilson have been selected to represent the NFC in the 2007 Pro Bowl. It is the second career selection for Boldin and the first for Wilson.
Wilson becomes the fifth safety in franchise history selected to the Pro Bowl and the first since Tim McDonald in 1992. He joins McDonald (1989, ‘91, ‘92), Jerry Norton (1959, ‘60-61), Don Paul (1953), and Hall of Famer Larry Wilson (1962-63, ‘65-70).
Boldin, who was selected to the Pro Bowl as a rookie in 2003, joins Mel Gray (1974-77) and Roy Green (1983-84) as the only Cardinals receivers to earn multiple Pro Bowl selections. Five other receivers earned one selection - David Boston (2001), Larry Fitzgerald (2005), Rob Moore (1997), J.T. Smith (1988), and Pat Tilley (1980).
Wilson, the only player in the NFC with at least four sacks and four interceptions, became the first player in NFL history with two defensive touchdowns of 99+ yards in a single season. He set a franchise record with his 99-yard interception return for a touchdown in Atlanta on October 1 and his 99-yard fumble return for a touchdown at Minnesota on November 26 ranks fifth-longest in NFL history. In addition to his four interceptions and four sacks, Wilson ranks third on the team with 80 tackles, has forced four fumbles and recovered two.
Boldin leads the Cardinals with 75 receptions for 1,027 yards and has recorded four receiving touchdowns. He became only the second player in franchise history (Roy Green) to post three 1,000-yard receiving seasons in a career. With 100-yard receiving games in 2006, he is now tied for 3rd in franchise history in that category and his 224 career receptions now rank 9th in team history. Earlier this season, the fourth-year receiver became the all-time fastest NFL player to reach 300 career receptions when he hit the mark in Oakland, taking him only 47 games.
Fitzgerald and kicker Neil Rackers were both selected to the Pro Bowl last season and this marks the first time since 1996-1997 that multiple Cardinals have been selected in consecutive seasons. Rob Moore and Aeneas Williams went in 1997, a year after Williams, Lomas Brown, Larry Centers, and Eric Swann were selected in 1996.
The 2007 Pro Bowl will be played at Aloha Stadium in Honolulu on Saturday, February 10 and will be televised by CBS.
Wilson and Boldin will be available to discuss their selections today at 3:00 PM in the press conference room at the Cardinals training facility.
Tempe, AZ – Arizona Cardinals wide receiver Anquan Boldin and safety Adrian Wilson have been selected to represent the NFC in the 2007 Pro Bowl. It is the second career selection for Boldin and the first for Wilson.
Wilson becomes the fifth safety in franchise history selected to the Pro Bowl and the first since Tim McDonald in 1992. He joins McDonald (1989, ‘91, ‘92), Jerry Norton (1959, ‘60-61), Don Paul (1953), and Hall of Famer Larry Wilson (1962-63, ‘65-70).
Boldin, who was selected to the Pro Bowl as a rookie in 2003, joins Mel Gray (1974-77) and Roy Green (1983-84) as the only Cardinals receivers to earn multiple Pro Bowl selections. Five other receivers earned one selection - David Boston (2001), Larry Fitzgerald (2005), Rob Moore (1997), J.T. Smith (1988), and Pat Tilley (1980).
Wilson, the only player in the NFC with at least four sacks and four interceptions, became the first player in NFL history with two defensive touchdowns of 99+ yards in a single season. He set a franchise record with his 99-yard interception return for a touchdown in Atlanta on October 1 and his 99-yard fumble return for a touchdown at Minnesota on November 26 ranks fifth-longest in NFL history. In addition to his four interceptions and four sacks, Wilson ranks third on the team with 80 tackles, has forced four fumbles and recovered two.
Boldin leads the Cardinals with 75 receptions for 1,027 yards and has recorded four receiving touchdowns. He became only the second player in franchise history (Roy Green) to post three 1,000-yard receiving seasons in a career. With 100-yard receiving games in 2006, he is now tied for 3rd in franchise history in that category and his 224 career receptions now rank 9th in team history. Earlier this season, the fourth-year receiver became the all-time fastest NFL player to reach 300 career receptions when he hit the mark in Oakland, taking him only 47 games.
Fitzgerald and kicker Neil Rackers were both selected to the Pro Bowl last season and this marks the first time since 1996-1997 that multiple Cardinals have been selected in consecutive seasons. Rob Moore and Aeneas Williams went in 1997, a year after Williams, Lomas Brown, Larry Centers, and Eric Swann were selected in 1996.
The 2007 Pro Bowl will be played at Aloha Stadium in Honolulu on Saturday, February 10 and will be televised by CBS.
Wilson and Boldin will be available to discuss their selections today at 3:00 PM in the press conference room at the Cardinals training facility.
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Tempe, AZ – Arizona Cardinals wide receiver Anquan Boldin and safety Adrian Wilson have been selected to represent the NFC in the 2007 Pro Bowl. It is the second career selection for Boldin and the first for Wilson.
Wilson becomes the fifth safety in franchise history selected to the Pro Bowl and the first since Tim McDonald in 1992. He joins McDonald (1989, ‘91, ‘92), Jerry Norton (1959, ‘60-61), Don Paul (1953), and Hall of Famer Larry Wilson (1962-63, ‘65-70).
Boldin, who was selected to the Pro Bowl as a rookie in 2003, joins Mel Gray (1974-77) and Roy Green (1983-84) as the only Cardinals receivers to earn multiple Pro Bowl selections. Five other receivers earned one selection - David Boston (2001), Larry Fitzgerald (2005), Rob Moore (1997), J.T. Smith (1988), and Pat Tilley (1980).
Wilson, the only player in the NFC with at least four sacks and four interceptions, became the first player in NFL history with two defensive touchdowns of 99+ yards in a single season. He set a franchise record with his 99-yard interception return for a touchdown in Atlanta on October 1 and his 99-yard fumble return for a touchdown at Minnesota on November 26 ranks fifth-longest in NFL history. In addition to his four interceptions and four sacks, Wilson ranks third on the team with 80 tackles, has forced four fumbles and recovered two.
Boldin leads the Cardinals with 75 receptions for 1,027 yards and has recorded four receiving touchdowns. He became only the second player in franchise history (Roy Green) to post three 1,000-yard receiving seasons in a career. With 100-yard receiving games in 2006, he is now tied for 3rd in franchise history in that category and his 224 career receptions now rank 9th in team history. Earlier this season, the fourth-year receiver became the all-time fastest NFL player to reach 300 career receptions when he hit the mark in Oakland, taking him only 47 games.
Fitzgerald and kicker Neil Rackers were both selected to the Pro Bowl last season and this marks the first time since 1996-1997 that multiple Cardinals have been selected in consecutive seasons. Rob Moore and Aeneas Williams went in 1997, a year after Williams, Lomas Brown, Larry Centers, and Eric Swann were selected in 1996.
The 2007 Pro Bowl will be played at Aloha Stadium in Honolulu on Saturday, February 10 and will be televised by CBS.
Wilson and Boldin will be available to discuss their selections today at 3:00 PM in the press conference room at the Cardinals training facility.
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Tempe, AZ – Arizona Cardinals wide receiver Anquan Boldin and safety Adrian Wilson have been selected to represent the NFC in the 2007 Pro Bowl. It is the second career selection for Boldin and the first for Wilson.
Wilson becomes the fifth safety in franchise history selected to the Pro Bowl and the first since Tim McDonald in 1992. He joins McDonald (1989, ‘91, ‘92), Jerry Norton (1959, ‘60-61), Don Paul (1953), and Hall of Famer Larry Wilson (1962-63, ‘65-70).
Boldin, who was selected to the Pro Bowl as a rookie in 2003, joins Mel Gray (1974-77) and Roy Green (1983-84) as the only Cardinals receivers to earn multiple Pro Bowl selections. Five other receivers earned one selection - David Boston (2001), Larry Fitzgerald (2005), Rob Moore (1997), J.T. Smith (1988), and Pat Tilley (1980).
Wilson, the only player in the NFC with at least four sacks and four interceptions, became the first player in NFL history with two defensive touchdowns of 99+ yards in a single season. He set a franchise record with his 99-yard interception return for a touchdown in Atlanta on October 1 and his 99-yard fumble return for a touchdown at Minnesota on November 26 ranks fifth-longest in NFL history. In addition to his four interceptions and four sacks, Wilson ranks third on the team with 80 tackles, has forced four fumbles and recovered two.
Boldin leads the Cardinals with 75 receptions for 1,027 yards and has recorded four receiving touchdowns. He became only the second player in franchise history (Roy Green) to post three 1,000-yard receiving seasons in a career. With 100-yard receiving games in 2006, he is now tied for 3rd in franchise history in that category and his 224 career receptions now rank 9th in team history. Earlier this season, the fourth-year receiver became the all-time fastest NFL player to reach 300 career receptions when he hit the mark in Oakland, taking him only 47 games.
Fitzgerald and kicker Neil Rackers were both selected to the Pro Bowl last season and this marks the first time since 1996-1997 that multiple Cardinals have been selected in consecutive seasons. Rob Moore and Aeneas Williams went in 1997, a year after Williams, Lomas Brown, Larry Centers, and Eric Swann were selected in 1996.
The 2007 Pro Bowl will be played at Aloha Stadium in Honolulu on Saturday, February 10 and will be televised by CBS.
Wilson and Boldin will be available to discuss their selections today at 3:00 PM in the press conference room at the Cardinals training facility.
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Tempe, AZ – Arizona Cardinals wide receiver Anquan Boldin and safety Adrian Wilson have been selected to represent the NFC in the 2007 Pro Bowl. It is the second career selection for Boldin and the first for Wilson.
Wilson becomes the fifth safety in franchise history selected to the Pro Bowl and the first since Tim McDonald in 1992. He joins McDonald (1989, ‘91, ‘92), Jerry Norton (1959, ‘60-61), Don Paul (1953), and Hall of Famer Larry Wilson (1962-63, ‘65-70).
Boldin, who was selected to the Pro Bowl as a rookie in 2003, joins Mel Gray (1974-77) and Roy Green (1983-84) as the only Cardinals receivers to earn multiple Pro Bowl selections. Five other receivers earned one selection - David Boston (2001), Larry Fitzgerald (2005), Rob Moore (1997), J.T. Smith (1988), and Pat Tilley (1980).
Wilson, the only player in the NFC with at least four sacks and four interceptions, became the first player in NFL history with two defensive touchdowns of 99+ yards in a single season. He set a franchise record with his 99-yard interception return for a touchdown in Atlanta on October 1 and his 99-yard fumble return for a touchdown at Minnesota on November 26 ranks fifth-longest in NFL history. In addition to his four interceptions and four sacks, Wilson ranks third on the team with 80 tackles, has forced four fumbles and recovered two.
Boldin leads the Cardinals with 75 receptions for 1,027 yards and has recorded four receiving touchdowns. He became only the second player in franchise history (Roy Green) to post three 1,000-yard receiving seasons in a career. With 100-yard receiving games in 2006, he is now tied for 3rd in franchise history in that category and his 224 career receptions now rank 9th in team history. Earlier this season, the fourth-year receiver became the all-time fastest NFL player to reach 300 career receptions when he hit the mark in Oakland, taking him only 47 games.
Fitzgerald and kicker Neil Rackers were both selected to the Pro Bowl last season and this marks the first time since 1996-1997 that multiple Cardinals have been selected in consecutive seasons. Rob Moore and Aeneas Williams went in 1997, a year after Williams, Lomas Brown, Larry Centers, and Eric Swann were selected in 1996.
The 2007 Pro Bowl will be played at Aloha Stadium in Honolulu on Saturday, February 10 and will be televised by CBS.
Wilson and Boldin will be available to discuss their selections today at 3:00 PM in the press conference room at the Cardinals training facility.
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Hey! where's stat boy?
8 wideouts were selected for the Probowl.
Q is one of the 4 alternates.
As such, Q ranks as high as 5th. and by this measure no worse than 8th.
Numbers never lie!... right?
8 wideouts were selected for the Probowl.
Q is one of the 4 alternates.
As such, Q ranks as high as 5th. and by this measure no worse than 8th.
Numbers never lie!... right?
kerouac9
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Hey! where's stat boy?
8 wideouts were selected for the Probowl.
Q is one of the 4 alternates.
As such, Q ranks as high as 5th. and by this measure no worse than 8th.
Numbers never lie!... right?
Wow. Congrats to Anquan for being among the top 4 WRs in the NFC, I guess. Personally, I don't know how you can't say that Roy Williams didn't get royally screwed out of an invite, or T.O. It'd be interesting to see the voting on this, I guess.
Roy doesnt deserve to go anymore tha Q. Just shows your bias. Has 5 less catches. Only 4 TD's like Q which is your standard for ecellence.
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But 100 yards more. Roy is by far a more important element of his team's offense than Q is, as well. I'm the one with the bias?
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Maybe the way he laid down like a giant wussy at the feet of Adrian Wilson rather than get hit cost him precious votes. I know even the Lions fans were embarassed as hell by that play.
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That's actually one of the things I wondered about, too. I think that some of his comments this season really turned off fans and players.
