For the 'O-Line over QB' Crowd

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Get the one QB and win regardless of the line.

Or get the five good offensive line and go 5-11 behind terrible QB's praying we don't draft the next Leinart.

Your call.

If getting a good QB was that easy than every team in the league would have a good QB. Fact is it is easier to draft good offensive lineman than to find a good QB.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Lynch in 2011: 1204 yards - 12 TD's - 4.2ypc.

2011 Sacks allowed: Cards - 54. 31st in the league. Hags - 50.
2012 Sacks Allowed: Cards - 58. Last in league. Hags - 33.

Me thinks Tom Cable is doing a very good job.

Trust me.... Kolb would be much better if we could get out of the cellar when it comes to pass protection. And to think that when Batiste was benched we got markedly better is even more of an indictment of Grimm & our O'line.

I seriously question how you can even make the argument.

We can agree to disagree on whether it's Cable or Wilson. Me thinks it's the latter. One thing I won't agree to disagree on is Kolb - the guy blows no matter who is in front of him. That has been proven when Vick took over and succeeded in 2010 behind the same terrible line that Kolb couldn't. And when Skelton and Lindley come in behind the same lines and get sacked half as much.

What ultimately bothers me is I look around the NFL and all the reinvigorated franchises succeeding due to new talented quarterbacks while half of Cardinals fans despite their team having the worst QB situation in the league (and arguably in NFL history) griping about the offensive line.

 

[D-Dogg]

Their oline was good already. Good lord, they ran on people for ages.

Put Wilson behind our line and he'd be broken.

Fix the line before getting a QB, unless you want a dead QB and a crappy OL.

My plan: build your oline and dline, ALWAYS. Then put the sexy positions in place, and draft QB every year until you have a stud, then draft one every third year.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Their oline was good already. Good lord, they ran on people for ages.

4.0 YPC in 2011 was 23rd in the NFL. 1756 yards was 21st in NFL.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

What ultimately bothers me is I look around the NFL and all the reinvigorated franchises succeeding due to new talented quarterbacks while half of Cardinals fans despite their team having the worst QB situation in the league (and arguably in NFL history) griping about the offensive line.

Even worse, much of the board believes that bringing KK back is the answer, despite all evidence to the contrary.

It seems fairly obvious that getting a good QB is essential to success, yet we fail to draft QB's before the later rounds, even with the total crap at the position.

 

[JeffGollin]

Sometimes it's the chicken, sometimes it's the egg. (More often than not, it's both). It's human nature to try to isolate cause & effect in order to eliminate all mystery and confusion and tie everything into a tidy little knot. It ain't that way in life (& it sure as hell isn't that way in the NFL). Each situation is unique.

Specific to the Cardinals, I want both a great QB and a dominant O-line - just to make sure.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

4.0 YPC in 2011 was 23rd in the NFL. 1756 yards was 21st in NFL.

Those are actually pretty solid numbers when you consider their lack of a QB that was even decent. This year with our poor QBs we are dead last in rushing 1204 yards and 3.4 YPC. I agree that Russell has made their jobs easier, but they still had a decent run offense in place

 

[CFLredzoned]

Big Bro

Did anyone else notice big brother McQuistan in Seattle's starting lineup intro? That's a face you can't forget. Even if it is a completely different guy. I did a double take on that one.

 

[Seandonic]

Put Wilson behind our line and he'd be broken.

Fix the line before getting a QB, unless you want a dead QB and a crappy OL.

My plan: build your oline and dline, ALWAYS. Then put the sexy positions in place, and draft QB every year until you have a stud, then draft one every third year.

 

[Goldfield]

I don't understand the point of this thread... Wouldn't you want the best players at every position? It isn't a choice of one or the other...

We need to target a QB and then two guards.

 

[D-Dogg]

4.0 YPC in 2011 was 23rd in the NFL. 1756 yards was 21st in NFL.

We were 32 and 32.

Do you realize we would sniff playoffs with 4 ypc?

That they had that good of a rushing attack with crappy QBs is awesome.

Sorry bro, they have an OL, so a QB can perform for them.

 

[sportznutt]

We can agree to disagree on whether it's Cable or Wilson. Me thinks it's the latter. One thing I won't agree to disagree on is Kolb - the guy blows no matter who is in front of him. That has been proven when Vick took over and succeeded in 2010 behind the same terrible line that Kolb couldn't. And when Skelton and Lindley come in behind the same lines and get sacked half as much.

What ultimately bothers me is I look around the NFL and all the reinvigorated franchises succeeding due to new talented quarterbacks while half of Cardinals fans despite their team having the worst QB situation in the league (and arguably in NFL history) griping about the offensive line.

Agreed......our QB's are the worst in the league, hands down.

Green Bay was second in the NFL, giving up 51 sacks this season. Their best rushed had 454 yards. They averaged 3.9 yards per carry.

Jacksonville gave up 50 sacks and also ran for approximately 100 yards more than us all season. Both Gabbert and Henne each threw for at least 492 yards more than any QB on the Cardinals. And we have Larry Fitzgerald.

 

[sportznutt]

If our O-Line is so terrible, shouldn't get a QB who can run?

Here are our QB rushing stats for this season:

Kolb - 16/100 yards, 1TD
Lindley - 4/7 yards, 0TD
Hoyer - 1/6 yards, 0TD
Skelton - 4/5 yards, 0TD

RGIII had more rushing yards against the Vikings earlier this season than we had combined in the season!

 

[Duckjake]

When it comes to the Cardinals you can take all the numbers and all the stats and toss them around and upside down and divide and subtract and take the square root of the average yards per play when the wind is blowing 11 mph or when concessions sales are up or down 4.2308% and no matter how you look at them they will always equal:

5-11

 

[sportznutt]

Nope..........these are the NEW Cardinals!

 

[Duckjake]

Nope..........these are the NEW Cardinals!

New, Old it doesn't matter:

The 1980 Cardinals with Jim Hart 5-11
The 1985 Cardinals with Neil Lomax 5-11
The 1989 Cardinals with Gary Hogeboom 5-11
The 1990 Cardinals with Timm Rosenbach 5-11
The 2002 Cardinals with Jake Plummer 5-11
The 2005 Cardinals with Kurt Warner 5-11
The 2006 Cardinals with Matt Leinart 5-11
The 2010 Cardinals with Dereck Anderson 5-11
The 2012 Cardinals with the Three Stooges 5-11

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

We were 32 and 32.

Do you realize we would sniff playoffs with 4 ypc?

That they had that good of a rushing attack with crappy QBs is awesome.

Sorry bro, they have an OL, so a QB can perform for them.

I was addressing Seattle not us. The fact remains that their numbers last year were 23rd and 21st in the NFL in rushing. Not exactly good. There's also the sack numbers.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I was addressing Seattle not us. The fact remains that their numbers last year were 23rd and 21st in the NFL in rushing. Not exactly good. There's also the sack numbers.

Nobody is arguing that a poor QB is going to look good behind a good Oline, but that a solid to good QB will look better with a good Oline. Also those rushing numbers aren't bad at all when you consider they didn't have a single decent QB on their roster last season. No good QBs equals teams stacking the box and playing the run almost exclusively.

 

[Buckybird]

Nobody is arguing that a poor QB is going to look good behind a good Oline, but that a solid to good QB will look better with a good Oline. Also those rushing numbers aren't bad at all when you consider they didn't have a single decent QB on their roster last season. No good QBs equals teams stacking the box and playing the run almost exclusively.

Or a RB corp.

Name another team who wins like this:

Bad Oline + bad QB + bad RBs = ?

But Mao's right...is all QB...right. Name another offense that had all 3 as bad as the Cards? We stood no chance

 

[Duckjake]

Nobody is arguing that a poor QB is going to look good behind a good Oline, but that a solid to good QB will look better with a good Oline. Also those rushing numbers aren't bad at all when you consider they didn't have a single decent QB on their roster last season. No good QBs equals teams stacking the box and playing the run almost exclusively.

Unless you are the 2012 Cardinals when teams could control the line of scrimmage with 4 guys and drop 7 into coverage. 5 of whom were covering Fitzgerald.

 

[Superfuzz]

It's both! Kurt took us to the SB, but he also retired for a reason...he was tired of getting hit.

IMO, it's better to have a decent O-line and sublime QB (like GB) as opposed to a great OL and average QB...

 

[D-Dogg]

I was addressing Seattle not us. The fact remains that their numbers last year were 23rd and 21st in the NFL in rushing. Not exactly good. There's also the sack numbers.

I was addressing Seattle too. What I was trying to say was this:

Nobody is arguing that a poor QB is going to look good behind a good Oline, but that a solid to good QB will look better with a good Oline. Also those rushing numbers aren't bad at all when you consider they didn't have a single decent QB on their roster last season. No good QBs equals teams stacking the box and playing the run almost exclusively.

Their rushing numbers are great given they had no passer. We don't have a passer OR an oline, and look at our numbers. OL matters. It does, a lot. Put Wilson behind our line, and he doesn't survive 9 games. POUNDED.

I want a QBOF as much as the next guy...I just want his future to be more than a season and a half. Build the line, you will get the QB.

 

[52brandon]

Didn't we keep the same O-Line for a couple of years before our Super Bowl run? Seems to me after a few years of being together and knowing each other, they played better. I could be mistaken.

you're right. That's why I like how our line is today. Those guys all hang out. I think they all watch MNF together every week.


IMO, coaching was a bigger problem than either position. Our O coaching staff was an embarrassment

 

[52brandon]

Or a RB corp.

Name another team who wins like this:

Bad Oline + bad QB + bad RBs = ?

But Mao's right...is all QB...right. Name another offense that had all 3 as bad as the Cards? We stood no chance

no kidding. I really hope Williams comes in and impresses next season. We need some sort of good news at that position. QB and OL are going to be the focus, to luck out and find a good RB between the couch cushions would be nothing short of a miracle. A miracle we desperately need

 

[daves]

Did anyone else notice big brother McQuistan in Seattle's starting lineup intro? That's a face you can't forget. Even if it is a completely different guy. I did a double take on that one.

Actually, Paul & Pat are identical twins. Both born on 30 April 1983:

Paul: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McQuPa21.htm
Pat: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McQuPa20.htm

Unfortunately, Paul seems to be a little better than Pat, who hopefully will not be back with the Cardinals next year!

...dave