Ford and Simmons talking Durant and the Suns

[Black Jesus]

noah is garbage.

 

[Joe Mama]

Hypothetically, if you were the Suns and had the first pick in the draft who would you pick #1? Would it be Oden, Durant, Horford or whoever. I'm thinking it might be Durant based on scouting reports, but I have never seen him play. Horford also really looks like a Suns type player with his style of play, but then you have the potential of a player like Oden who may be a career center. The Suns have never had the luxury of selecting #1 so I can only dream.

The Phoenix Suns would give Durant some love, but they would draft Greg Oden just like every other team would do. I mean I suppose if you were Houston or Orlando you might think a little harder about Kevin Durant.

Joe

 

[HooverDam]

barbosa is our future, he will be averaging 25 points soon. marion really needs to go because he is not as good defensively as he gets credit for and we better get something good for him before FA takes over. marion, 4th, banks for 1st or 2nd overall and some back-up point guard

Get it through your head- NO TEAM IN THE 1 OR 2 SLOTS IS TRADING OUT OF THOSE SLOTS FOR ANY REASON.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Get it through your head- NO TEAM IN THE 1 OR 2 SLOTS IS TRADING OUT OF THOSE SLOTS FOR ANY REASON.

There is always a price.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

These were my comments:



My comments were made after seeing Oden play for the first time against Georgetown. I just spoke of what I saw. Perhaps I should not have commented. Of course he played much better against Florida. I never said Oden would not become an impact player at the next level. I just questioned whether he would become an "elite" player based on my observation in one game. I guess for all the hype Oden has received I expected to see a young Kareem, Patrick Ewing, David Robinson, Bill Russell, Shaq or Tim Duncan on the floor. Every player can have an off game and that is what scouting is all about.

I will say that Oden has all the potential to become an elite player at the next level... not bad for an 18 year old. He has a tremendously high ceiling. I certainly think he may be selected with one of the two first round picks in the draft with Horford nearly or maybe on the same level. I do think Horford would make a great selection for the Suns but I don't see anyway they can get their hands on him.

you're not remembering what a lot of those guys were like during their FRESHMAN years in college. none of them lead their team to the championship game (maybe russell and kareem, but i'm not sure and don't want to check), and shaq was not the shaq you know now. hell he was outplayed by stanley roberts on his own team. i'd say oden showed as much, and in some cases more, than the list of players you provided. he'll be elite. no doubt.

 

[azirish]

There is always a price.

That's true, but the history of such trades is so bad I'd be terribly surprised if one happened.

Remember Chris Webber? The Warriors traded the rights to Penny Hardaway and at least two future first round picks. At that time they were permitted to sign rookies to two year deals and Webber threatened to play out his option - thus forcing the Warriors to trade for Googs who did very badly with GS.

IMHO, the all time worst trade up was in 1980. The Warriors traded up with the Celtics from #3 to get #1 and a #13. #1 was Joe Barry Carroll (a guy who could score and nothing else) while #13 was a stiff named Ricky Brown. The #3 pick was used to take Kevin McHale and the player included to the Celtics was Bernard Parrish.

I was doing some research and the last top two player prior to Aldridge (this past summer and IMHO a bad deal for the Bulls) was in 1997 when Van Horn was traded to New Jersey in a major combo deal. Neither Aldridge nor Van Horn were projected as franchise players.) Philadelphia traded Don MacLean, Michael Cage, Lucious Harris and Keith Van Horn to New Jersey for Jim Jackson, Eric Montross, Tim Thomas, and Anthony Parker

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Hypothetically, if you were the Suns and had the first pick in the draft who would you pick #1? Would it be Oden, Durant, Horford or whoever. I'm thinking it might be Durant based on scouting reports, but I have never seen him play. Horford also really looks like a Suns type player with his style of play, but then you have the potential of a player like Oden who may be a career center. The Suns have never had the luxury of selecting #1 so I can only dream.

with this suns squad, hands down oden. we don't need more scoring. oden would base our defense, which would allow our athletes to gamble even more for steals. i think you'd see marion lead the league in steals and barbs might be close behind him if they could worry less about letting their man get to the rack. also we'd never have to worry about rebounding ever again. a frontline of amare, oden, and marion? are you kidding? and it's not like the dude can't score. he showed a lot of moves that i didn't know he had in his arsenal during the tourney, including some hooks from distance. not to mention, he's athletic enough to run. is he going to lead the break like a durant would? no. but he won't get left in the dust either. he'd make us a dynasty. i imagine nash would play 3 more years b/c he would have to do so little and just keep jacking up championships.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

There is always a price.

i don't think there is a price for #1. i mean, i don't even think teams would trade the rights for oden for lebron or kobe. look how many centers have won championships.

and for #2 i think the price would have to be ridiculous. something like amare (which i wouldn't do). i don't even think a team would trade the #2 for garnett based on the disparity in rookie contracts and age.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Celtics was Bernard Parrish.

[/COLOR][/FONT]

robert parrish - the chief!

 

[azirish]

robert parrish - the chief!

You're right. I think Bernard was a third baseman.

 

[JCSunsfan]

There is one way in which the Suns could end up with Durant out of this draft. There are a couple of things that have to happen. Durant has to really WANT to play for the Suns, and Atlanta can't end up top 3.

It goes like this (assuming Oden is the consensus #1)

1. Durant declares for the draft but does not hire an agent, so he can return to school if he wants.

2. After the lotto, Durant pulls a Steve Francis and threatens to return to college unless the team that possesses the the #2 pick trade him.

3. The team with the #2 pick realizes that they still get much more value by drafting Durant and trading him than by taking someone like Horford.

4. #2 team trades Durant to the Suns for #5, #24, #29, next year's first, and a decent young player (Diaw or Barbosa).

 

[TheHopToad]

^^^This won't work. Once any player declares for the draft, he loses his NCAA eligibility upon being drafted. The only reason that Randolph Morris was able to go back to Kentucky is because he was not selected by any team and had not had contact with an agent).

Here is what NCAA bylaw 12.2.4.2.1 states:

Professional Basketball Draft. A student-athlete in the sport of basketball may enter a professional league's draft one time during his or her collegiate career without jeopardizing eligibility in that sport, provided the student-athlete is not drafted by any team in that league and the student-athlete declares his or her intention in writing to the institution's director of athletics to resume intercollegiate participation within 30 days after the draft.

 

[JCSunsfan]

^^^This won't work. Once any player declares for the draft, he loses his NCAA eligibility upon being drafted. The only reason that Randolph Morris was able to go back to Kentucky is because he was not selected by any team and had not had contact with an agent).

Here is what NCAA bylaw 12.2.4.2.1 states:

He can declare, and then pull out at the last minute as long as he doesn't have an agent. Several players did this last year. Since Oden will be the consensus #1, deals like this for the #2 pick can be worked out before the draft.

 

[Cheesebeef]

He can declare, and then pull out at the last minute as long as he doesn't have an agent. Several players did this last year. Since Oden will be the consensus #1, deals like this for the #2 pick can be worked out before the draft.

JC, between this post/topic and the idea that the "biggest nightmare for Hawks is to get the third pick", I really think you're looking at the draft 100% with your heart and not with your head. It seems like you're trying to convince yourself that somehow, someway, no matter what happens, the Suns will a) get the Atlanta pick or b) somehow be able to get Durant.

Bottom line, with the way the Hawks are playing, it's gonna take a hell of a lot of lucky bounces for us to get their pick and there's no way in hell that we get Durant.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

JC, between this post/topic and the idea that the "biggest nightmare for Hawks is to get the third pick", I really think you're looking at the draft 100% with your heart and not with your head. It seems like you're trying to convince yourself that somehow, someway, no matter what happens, the Suns will a) get the Atlanta pick or b) somehow be able to get Durant.

Bottom line, with the way the Hawks are playing, it's gonna take a hell of a lot of lucky bounces for us to get their pick and there's no way in hell that we get Durant.

why you gotta burst the dude's bubble on "let's-beat-the-spurs-day"???

 

[SO91]

why you gotta burst the dude's bubble on "let's-beat-the-spurs-day"???

 

[JCSunsfan]

JC, between this post/topic and the idea that the "biggest nightmare for Hawks is to get the third pick", I really think you're looking at the draft 100% with your heart and not with your head. It seems like you're trying to convince yourself that somehow, someway, no matter what happens, the Suns will a) get the Atlanta pick or b) somehow be able to get Durant.

Bottom line, with the way the Hawks are playing, it's gonna take a hell of a lot of lucky bounces for us to get their pick and there's no way in hell that we get Durant.

Um, no. I am just looking at possibilities, even remote ones. Right now, in the back of my mind, we are about 55/45 in our favor of getting the 4 or 5 pick. We could end up with the 6 or 7 (though not likely).

I have been through enough of this stuff to know that the ping pong balls seem to never bounce the Suns way. So, I am more pessimistic than anything.

I was just looking at possibilities for the sake of conversation.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Um, no. I am just looking at possibilities, even remote ones. Right now, in the back of my mind, we are about 55/45 in our favor of getting the 4 or 5 pick. We could end up with the 6 or 7 (though not likely).

I have been through enough of this stuff to know that the ping pong balls seem to never bounce the Suns way. So, I am more pessimistic than anything.

I was just looking at possibilities for the sake of conversation.

okey-doke.