Ford and Simmons talking Durant and the Suns

[sunsfn]

Oden & Durant are going 1 & 2 somehow, and the team that drafts them will not trade them!

I am hoping the suns can get #4 and take Horford.

I am also a Corey Brewer fan, but he will not be there at #24 so if the suns want him they will have to move up, and that will be tough to do in this draft.

It seems to me the suns need a Horford and they also need a shooter. There are some 6' 6" shooters in this draft and maybe one will be there at # 24 for them.

 

[arwillan]

Oden & Durant are going 1 & 2 somehow, and the team that drafts them will not trade them!

I am hoping the suns can get #4 and take Horford.

I am also a Corey Brewer fan, but he will not be there at #24 so if the suns want him they will have to move up, and that will be tough to do in this draft.

It seems to me the suns need a Horford and they also need a shooter. There are some 6' 6" shooters in this draft and maybe one will be there at # 24 for them.

im also a horford fan. hes kind of like a stronger, more athletic, and better offensive kurt thomas (not to mention younger). i also hope we can get a good pg to back up nash with the 24th pick.

 

[Muggum]

No one's trading down from #1 or #2. Not this year. Don't see it happening unless a HUGE offer is made. No GM would make that roll of the dice. It would be the kind of decision that could single-handedly destroy a career.

 

[Covert Rain]

You cannot give up a starter is who playing on your bench for a steal in terms of salary. It's not often that a team can lock up someone like Barbosa for the kind of cash that we are paying him. It just doesn't happen in this league.

Barbosa is young and part of the future of the team. I don't want to give up a huge piece of our future for a college guy who may or may not ever play at an elite level in the NBA.

 

[azirish]

IMHO, if he comes out, Oden is taken first. This is not based on how well he's played, although getting to the finals for the first time since '62 has to count for something. You have to watch his development over the season. He has more physical ability than any college big man since Duncan. In terms of strength an athleticism, he's already beyond Duncan and is far more skilled than most every big you could name. (Horford's the guy I'm pushing for, but he's shorter and much lighter than Oden.) Oden won't be the instant star that Durant will be, but he'll be a an all star very early if his team is not a total disaster.

Of course, it won't matter to the Suns.

Horford is the only guy I like in the projected top nine.

Brandon Wright is OK, but his game is heavily dependent on his physical skills and I'm not convinced he'll produce immediately. Reminds me to much of Warrick (an OK guy, but not a big impact guy on a bad team).

Yi Jianlian has not played much against strong opposition. IMHO, The Suns pick is too high to spend on a high risk project.

Jeff Green looks like a good player, but Ohio State all but shut him down with a freshman forward.

Joakim Noah's shooting all but precludes him from being a Sun. The Suns need great free throw shooting and he's really awful.

Roy Hibbert is too slow to play Suns basketball. There are some teams that could use him, so a draft and trade deal is not out of the question, but he just wouldn't play Suns ball. Draft Express see's him getting into the top five based on how well he's done in the tournament.

Spencer Hawes probably won't come out this year, but if he does I still don't think he's athletic enough or a good enough rebounder to solve the Suns needs.

I would not be entirely shocked if the Suns traded down if Horford is unavailable. Converting the Atlanta pick, the Cleveland pick, and the Suns pick into two late lottery picks might make more sense than taking one of the remaining mid lottery guys.

 

[ma_falaa_50]

well, Who is going to guard dirk if the suns trade marion?

 

[azirish]

Marion is not getting traded. After 50,000 posts on this subject, it is simply pointless to even bother discussing it.

That being said, I'd love to figure out a way to draft Corey Brewer without having to spend the Atlanta pick on him. I could see him emerging as a long term replacement for Marion.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Marion is not getting traded. After 50,000 posts on this subject, it is simply pointless to even bother discussing it.

That being said, I'd love to figure out a way to draft Corey Brewer without having to spend the Atlanta pick on him. I could see him emerging as a long term replacement for Marion.

Personally, I'd like to see us trade up for the number three pick so that we can take Brandan Wright. Also Marion esque, very good athlete, and does the dirty work. He could also be had for much cheaper, we could probably get rid of our other two first rounders just to move up one spot.

 

[az1965]

I don't like trading Barbosa.

 

[azirish]

Personally, I'd like to see us trade up for the number three pick so that we can take Brandan Wright. Also Marion esque, very good athlete, and does the dirty work. He could also be had for much cheaper, we could probably get rid of our other two first rounders just to move up one spot.

I doubt Wright goes as high as he's being projected. IMHO it will be Oden, Durant, and Horford in that order.

Wright looks like a future star, but he's not as NBA ready as the guys I've mentioned. I wouldn't be shocked if the Suns took him, but I can't see them trading up to do it unless the Atlanta pick falls to sixth or seventh.

 

[HooverDam]

Is there any news on if Hibbert is thinking of coming out or not? With the way most teams covet size, he may end up going fairly high and bump someone down to the Suns.

 

[cly2tw]

Marion is not getting traded. After 50,000 posts on this subject, it is simply pointless to even bother discussing it.

That being said, I'd love to figure out a way to draft Corey Brewer without having to spend the Atlanta pick on him. I could see him emerging as a long term replacement for Marion.

I believe Marion will likely get traded this off-season off of his first ever 1sr-team All-defensive selection, in particular if Diaw regains for the whole playoffs his form like in the past win vs. Mavs. With Amare, Diaw, LB, and Nash, we have enough core pieces already that we need to hear his constant complaint of not being respected.

 

[TucsonDevil]

I know he has stated that he is staying in school, but the guy that has impressed me a lot this year has been Mike Conley Jr. Like AZIrish, I wouldn't mind trading the ATL pick (if Horford is gone) and looking for two late lottery picks. If Conley was available with Corey Brewer, I would take Conley. When Oden is on the bench with foul trouble (more often than not) he is the guy winning games for Ohio St. To me, a winning spirit and leadership are difficult to gain if you don't have them naturally. Steve Nash had that in college as well. I also think he has the tools to be an NBA PG. I could see him in this system... not quite the passer that Nash is (duh), but he does look to spread the floor. Very smart playmaker.

 

[Joe Mama]

First, my gut tells me your odds will work against us this year, and the Phoenix Suns will not get Atlanta pick.

Second, if there was anybody crazy enough to trade out of the #2 spot that trade would absolutely have to involve Barbosa. He is the guy everyone would want. If a team could get Barbosa, the #4, the two other later draft picks, and somehow move Shawn Marion again to get back even more I could see them trading out of the #2. Of course the chances of any of this happening would be 0.0001%.

I would hope the Phoenix Suns could extend Shawn Marion after his current contract, but I wouldn't be one bit surprised if they part ways because some other team is willing to give him more than the Phoenix Suns. I would love for him to finish as a Sun. My gut tells me that won't happen. I don't think they'll be willing to give him even what he's making now, and you know that won't sit well with him.

If the Phoenix Suns don't win it all this year and get a nice lottery pick from Atlanta is there anybody that would still be interested in Kevin Garnett? Is that a possibility?

Joe

 

[asudevil83]

well.....since this is all in fun, i'll throw something out there. the odds of this happening are very very small....but here goes:

Suns trade:
Marion/#4
Celtics trade:
Ratliff/#2/Gomes

we get cap relief. Ratliff is an expiring, and because of injuries, i believe he's eligible for insurrance....which means the suns only front 20% of the bill. Gomes gives us a decent PF/SF backup.

Boston gets a star SF to match with Pierce. with Pierce unhappy with losing in Boston, this teams needs to win games. they cant wait a year or two for Durant to blossom. they'd still get a high lotto pick and the ability to go after Wright/Horford/Noah.

Amare/KT
Durant/Gomes
Diaw/Jones
BarbosaBell
Nash/Banks

 

[dreamcastrocks]

If we threw in Barbosa to the trade above, then Boston would think about it.

 

[Covert Rain]

I also think there is no shot of Marion getting traded if we get the title this year. Won't happen. I think teams would be willing to trade with the Suns for multiple picks anyway. I don't think it would take this huge picks + players package.

Barbosa talent plus his great contract means we are keeping that guy for the long haul.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

I suggested packaging Marion/#4 for #2(Durant) quite some time back and it was not very well received. It's nice to see the national guys saying the same things. I really want to see who ends up at #2 so we can really analyze the potential reality. Like someone above said, if BOS got it, they need to win now. How much more can the city take? How much more can Ainge take before getting sh*tcanned? I would think BOS would be the best possibility.

I think I would even consider packaging Bell with Marion and the #4 so long as we got the #2 AND a productive 2 in return somehow....

 

[Covert Rain]

I suggested packaging Marion/#4 for #2(Durant) quite some time back and it was not very well received. It's nice to see the national guys saying the same things. I really want to see who ends up at #2 so we can really analyze the potential reality. Like someone above said, if BOS got it, they need to win now. How much more can the city take? How much more can Ainge take before getting sh*tcanned? I would think BOS would be the best possibility.

I think I would even consider packaging Bell with Marion and the #4 so long as we got the #2 AND a productive 2 in return somehow....

That's not saying much. National guys have been saying Marion gets traded in the offseason for the last 4 years or so. It's never happened. It all hinges on what happens this post season.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

I'm talking specifically about trading Marion/#4 for #2 in order to target Durant....

 

[Covert Rain]

I'm talking specifically about trading Marion/#4 for #2 in order to target Durant....

I realize that. I am just saying National guys always bring up moving Marion but they are NEVER right about that. I really don't think it would take Marion. Most teams would take multiple picks.

 

[sunsfn]

If you are talking about trading a suns player, think only of Kurt Thomas, Marcus Banks, & James Jones. I think they will have to trade their last pick to be able to dump Banks and his salary. (However, their last pick in this draft is going to be valuable, and they may get back a 2nd pick to go along with the player they get for him) They may not trade Thomas until the trade deadline next year when some team is having a bad start, and wants the flexibility of an expiring contract. The reason I think they will trade Thomas is because of the salary cap, and this frees them up to draft a couple players and keep the rest of the team intact.

Marion, Barbosa, Nash, Amare, & Diaw, are not going anywhere. The player up in the air for me is Bell. I do not think the suns will trade him, but they need a taller two guard that can really shoot. They may not be able to get one, and Bell will not be traded unless they do.

The trading down if Horford is not avaliable, is a viable option. They could trade down and get Brewer and another draft pick later in this draft or next years draft. (But they really need a guy like Horford to add size and flexibility to this team)
There is a chance they could draft Splitter with a pick from another team, or hope he is there at #24. With a lot of talent in this draft, Splitter could fall just because of the uncertanity with his contract overseas.

I do not think the suns will draft a point guard, they had two chances last year to get an excellent point guard and passed on both. Barbosa is going to be that backup combo guard and he is going to be better next year than this year!

I believe the suns will sign or draft a swing man this year for sure. They need one for flexibility for D'Antoni's system.

 

[ma_falaa_50]

I dont think James Jones is going to get traded. I dont think marion is going to get traded either.

If we get atlanta's pick Kurt may get traded.

 

[elindholm]

the odds of this happening are very very small

Suns trade:
Marion/#4
Celtics trade:
Ratliff/#2/Gomes

Actually the odds of that happening are zero. Ratliff can attract someone far more desirable than Marion, and the #2 pick is worth much more than the #4 in this draft. Boston would never consider that, not even for an instant.

If we threw in Barbosa to the trade above, then Boston would think about it.

No they wouldn't.

 

[hcsilla]

Actually the odds of that happening are zero. Ratliff can attract someone far more desirable than Marion,

For instance who?