Free Agency Rumors

[Cheesebeef]

I didn't say I wanted him. I just don't think he's washed.

i never said he was washed. I said he hasn’t been good in three years. He’s an average WR now who’s on the wrong side of 30. Don’t put words into my mouth.

 

[DVontel]

Can you guys stop recommending washed up WRs

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Chiefs starting OL most of the year:
Fisher- #1 pick
Allegretti- 7th round pick
Reiter- 7th round pick
Wylie- undrafted
Remmers- undrafted

Lucas Niang was a candidate to start but opted out. Interesting note on him/Chiefs:

Niang -- taken in the third round of the 2020 draft -- is the first offensive lineman the Chiefs have drafted above the fourth round since 2015.

 

[Shane]

Can you guys stop recommending washed up WRs

can you repeat this every time someone says we need to bring Fitz back please....

 

[gimpy]

i never said he was washed. I said he hasn’t been good in three years. He’s an average WR now who’s on the wrong side of 30. Don’t put words into my mouth.

well, I suppose to some people that might sound like a reasonable definition of “washed”.

 

[DVontel]

@Chopper0080 @DVontel can u forget about passing on Wirfs if we will select Slater?

Maybe but two things:

1. 3% chance Slater falls to us.

2. I’d be kind of pissed that we had the chance of having both Wirfs & Slater on the same line.

 

[football karma]

Sanders was PFF's 45th ranked WR last year

this compares to 98th for Kirk, 108 for Fitz and 120 for Isabella

this isnt a long term answer -- but a guy who can inexpensively fill a hole for a couple years

the team has cap capacity, but cant fill every hole with 8 figure a year guys

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I was going to write "4 for $24m on a 30 year old?" (he turns 30 in 3 days).

But he's never been a speed guy so I don't see him declining massively with age. On saying that I think I'd want more assurance I'm not getting fleeced down the back end so either a 2 year out or more like $18-$20m over 4 years.

I’ve never understood this concept. The less speed you have, the less margin for error. So if you’re effective with marginal speed the likelihood is you become worthless with even a slight drop in speed. The obsolescence of your speed would negate whatever technique you possess to make up for a complete lack of speed. Because there’s no natural law that I know of that says only fast guys lose speed when they age. They both should.

Whereas if you’re a speed guy a similar drop in speed likely reduces your effectiveness, but your speed doesn’t become a death knell. It would require you adapt to leverage more technique or smarts, which pivot would come at a good time for that . . . at the end of a lengthy career where you’ve likely picked up technical advantages.

here’s a hypothetical scenario: which do you think has a greater chance of success...

Player A comes out of college somewhat raw in technique but hella fast at 4.5 40. Puts up 10-13 sacks per year early in career based primarily on overwhelming linemen with his physical traits. Plays 8 years and his 40 time drops to 4.7.

player B comes out of college with an assortment of tricks in his bag and a “high motor” (isn’t that what we call all the successful slow guys?), but runs a 4.9 40. Puts up 10-13 sacks per year based on all kinds of tricks and tenacity. Plays 8 seasons and drops to 5.1 40 yard time.

I think player A picks up some tricks over 8 years to counter his lessening speed. Is he as effective as early? No. But he still has adequate burst to close on the QB.

I think player B becomes useless. Because he can’t count on anything to counter his lost speed. He’s already relying on his tricks and relentless approach, but no longer possesses any burst. At best he’s a clean up guy.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Can you guys stop recommending washed up WRs

I can’t condemn them, they’re trying to play within the Keim paradigm. Dreaming is, of course free, but with keim it only leads to nightmares.

 

[AZman5103]

The 4th is Devon Kennard.

He's gonna get cut. Too much of a cap hit for 4th guy with limited upside.

 

[slanidrac16]

How would you guys like Latavius Murray. I believe the Saints are going to be forced to let him go. He is a good fill for what we need. Mr. Steady and a bigger back. He would give us about 160 carries and average over 4 yards per carry. Pretty good receiver too. Won’t cost a bunch. Thoughts?

 

[BritCard]

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[Stout]

The point that I am trying to make, and I beleve @DVontel is also trying to make, is that an ILB should never be the right pick over an OL if your offensive line is average to bad. Same argument for RB. Teams are rarely successful without top offensive line play. Teams are successful all the time without top ILB play.

Saying we must take a certain position in the draft is the recipe for disaster. Because that leads to reaching, and we've proven over the years how godawful that strategy is.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I like that the Cards are listed as a destination for Will Fuller. I'd offer him a decent contract and offer the Keim "prove it" contract to John Ross. Both guys have the deep speed sorely lacking in the WR group. Fuller is legit if he can stay on the field and Ross has also been an injury waiting to happen but showed some ability in his limited time of the field.

Both guys could open up the underneath stuff for Kirk and even Larry if they bring him back. I'm not saying they'll be stars but they are missing elements to the offense.

 

[football karma]

I like that the Cards are listed as a destination for Will Fuller.

dependability is concern with Fuller

 

[juza76]

I like that the Cards are listed as a destination for Will Fuller. I'd offer him a decent contract and offer the Keim "prove it" contract to John Ross. Both guys have the deep speed sorely lacking in the WR group. Fuller is legit if he can stay on the field and Ross has also been an injury waiting to happen but showed some ability in his limited time of the field.

Both guys could open up the underneath stuff for Kirk and even Larry if they bring him back. I'm not saying they'll be stars but they are missing elements to the offense.

Yes they are two of the fastest guys playing the game
Both have injuries concerns, so if it is for a prove it one year deal I will do it

 

[CardsFan88]

John Brown couldn't get back into a groove after the injury that sidelined him. It's a bit concerning, given that Stefon Diggs and seemingly all the other receivers were catching tons of balls at the same time.

That said, he has had the knack of getting open and also can make the contested catch. If cheap, bring him in, can't hurt. Hopefully, it was just him being a bit rusty and everyone else just being in a groove, rather than lesser ability.


Wouldn't mind bringing on Fuller (stud when not injured) and Brown.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

he hasn’t been good in three years and is only getting older at 32.

He fits the plan, though...can have him on a 2 year deal that expires as KM is getting an extension.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

He fits the plan, though...can have him on a 2 year deal that expires as KM is getting an extension.

Would rather pay John Brown for 2 years.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Would rather pay John Brown for 2 years.

He fits the plan, too...Would he want to come back to AZ? The sickle-cell issue may still be valid in AZ...it's the 2nd highest elevation in the NFL, I believe...it's desert, but a high-desert.

 

[GuernseyCard]

He's gonna get cut. Too much of a cap hit for 4th guy with limited upside.

His future, imo, is related to Haason's and at this point, he sticks. And he's a starting OLB, not the 4th guy at this point.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

The point that I am trying to make...an ILB should never be the right pick over an OL if your offensive line is average to bad. Same argument for RB. Teams are rarely successful without top offensive line play. Teams are successful all the time without top ILB play.

Why is the franchise tag higher for ILB than RT then?

Also, a highly elusive QB (see Kyler) greatly mitigates the need for above average o-line (see Russ).

Also, the word “never” is not wise.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

How would you guys like Latavius Murray. I believe the Saints are going to be forced to let him go. He is a good fill for what we need. Mr. Steady and a bigger back. He would give us about 160 carries and average over 4 yards per carry. Pretty good receiver too. Won’t cost a bunch. Thoughts?

Old and ran behind a top5 o-line.

 

[cardpa]

I would rather have Sanders than Fitz and he will probably be cheaper too and provide as much if not more production. Sanders had 61 Rec. for 726 yds. and 5 TDs. Not bad production for a #2/3 receiver. I wouldn't even bother with Brown. His salary last year was $2 million.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

He fits the plan, too...Would he want to come back to AZ? The sickle-cell issue may still be valid in AZ...it's the 2nd highest elevation in the NFL, I believe...it's desert, but a high-desert.

We're in desperate need of a receiver that can take the top off the D...Brown can do that.