Free agency thread 2022

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

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[DaHilg]

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I’d like cooks but a 2nd (even getting back a 4th) is too steep for a guy turning 29.

Agreed.. esp being the guy had stint of 2-3 years w a myriad of concussions. After his last one w the Rams thought he would be done in the league pretty soon after.

 

[slanidrac16]

COOKS?? God we can’t afford that.

 

[kerouac9]

Brandon Cooks is prolly Rondale Moores ceiling.

There’s a reason that teams get rid of him every year or two.

 

[DaHilg]

Brandon Cooks is prolly Rondale Moores ceiling.

There’s a reason that teams get rid of him every year or two.

More because of Price tag and concussions are the issue.. Saints had to decide either to pay him or MT, Pats never pay a WR big time money and Rams ponied up great draft capital, Rams it looked like concussions were going to derail career… def wasn’t performance related if you really have watched him play throughout his career. Reason Texans commanding what they are. Still is a highend WR2/ low end #1 WR.

 

[Syracusecards]

I have a feeling we will be signing Will Fuller to a 1 year deal. Just seems right up our alley.

 

[reebokalone2001]

I’d trade for Brandon Cooks in a heartbeat.. prob would be cheap trade if Texans want to give us a another stud WR. Guy runs impeccable routes, still has blow the top off speed.. great hands, feet awareness. Concussions have been an issue but has stayed healthy for the past few years.

1,000 yard season w 4 different teams is no easy feat.

I somehow feel very excited when hearing Texans and the word "trade" put together.

 

[kerouac9]

I have a feeling we will be signing Will Fuller to a 1 year deal. Just seems right up our alley.

This would be a good and right move.

 

[Shane]

This would be a good and right move.

Lol so we can use him for an entire 4-5 games

 

[Solar7]

Lol so we can use him for an entire 4-5 games

At the right price, why not? That's more games than Andy Isabella will ever play.

 

[Shane]

At the right price, why not? That's more games than Andy Isabella will ever play.

From all the people that are the first to condemn Keim for signing oft injured folks…. This place is ripe. He might be the most often injured player in the entire NFL. SMH.

 

[Krangodnzr]

From all the people that are the first to condemn Keim for signing oft injured folks…. This place is ripe. He might be the most often injured player in the entire NFL. SMH.

Some of the same people wanted Davante Parker...

 

[BritCard]

At the right price, why not? That's more games than Andy Isabella will ever play.

I can't believe anyone is advocating for Will Fuller. Especially as some of those people complained about Green's durability or JJ Watts.

Will Fuller has never played a full season. Even ignoring last year where he missed all but 65 snaps he's averaged 10 games a season.

He's never had more than 879 yards.

I do not get the fascination with him at all. It's absolutely guaranteed he will miss 7-8 games. The only way I would have him on the roster is at vet min and as a situational depth player. I wouldn't count on him to start.

 

[Ronin]

I can't believe anyone is advocating for Will Fuller. Especially as some of those people complained about Green's durability or JJ Watts.

Will Fuller has never played a full season. Even ignoring last year where he missed all but 65 snaps he's averaged 10 games a season.

He's never had more than 879 yards.

I do not get the fascination with him at all. It's absolutely guaranteed he will miss 7-8 games. The only way I would have him on the roster is at vet min and as a situational depth player. I wouldn't count on him to start.

Can he stretch the field?

 

[BritCard]

Can he stretch the field?

Not from the locker room, no.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

From all the people that are the first to condemn Keim for signing oft injured folks…. This place is ripe. He might be the most often injured player in the entire NFL. SMH.

That’s just it Shane, when you draft so poorly and you’re in cap hell because of it you’re stuck with signing FA from the damaged goods bin because you need to find “value” (Brit’s favorite word). So when you’re scraping the bottom of the barrel you have to take what you can get. If you’re shopping in the damaged or irregular goods aisle buy the most talented and hope the damage doesn’t show. If it does, well, you tried, but your prior actions painted you into the corner that you had to shop damaged, so it’s still your (Keim’s) fault.

 

[BritCard]

Another option Keim should look at is Darius Slayton.

Giants are in cap hell and still need to free up $10-$12m. They can't get out of Golladay and they have Toney, Shepard and the option to draft a WR this year.

Slayton only has a year left on his rookie deal and might not get extended as they rebuild.

Before injury last year had 2 consecutive 750 yard seasons on only 48 and 50 receptions. That's 15 yards per. Great deep threat.

 

[BritCard]

That’s just it Shane, when you draft so poorly and you’re in cap hell because of it you’re stuck with signing FA from the damaged goods bin because you need to find “value” (Brit’s favorite word). So when you’re scraping the bottom of the barrel you have to take what you can get. If you’re shopping in the damaged or irregular goods aisle buy the most talented and hope the damage doesn’t show. If it does, well, you tried, but your prior actions painted you into the corner that you had to shop damaged, so it’s still your (Keim’s) fault.

Not really. I'd rather bring Green back, or draft and play a rookie. Or trade for any number of WR's that could be available.

We don't have to sign a guy that averages 10 games a season before he missed all last season.

 

[kerouac9]

Not really. I'd rather bring Green back, or draft and play a rookie. Or trade for any number of WR's that could be available.

We don't have to sign a guy that averages 10 games a season before he missed all last season.

We need to save that cap room for Robert Alford.

 

[Krangodnzr]

That’s just it Shane, when you draft so poorly and you’re in cap hell because of it you’re stuck with signing FA from the damaged goods bin because you need to find “value” (Brit’s favorite word). So when you’re scraping the bottom of the barrel you have to take what you can get. If you’re shopping in the damaged or irregular goods aisle buy the most talented and hope the damage doesn’t show. If it does, well, you tried, but your prior actions painted you into the corner that you had to shop damaged, so it’s still your (Keim’s) fault.

If a player is a free agent, they are often "damaged goods" or their team has significant doubts about their value.

That's the secret of free agency, teams rarely let their best players go so your stuck looking through your neighbors garbage for players.

 

[kerouac9]

If a player is a free agent, they are often "damaged goods" or their team has significant doubts about their value.

That's the secret of free agency, teams rarely let their best players go so your stuck looking through your neighbors garbage for players.

Doesn't this go against the theory that franchises spend unwisely in free agency, end up in "cap hell", and have to let their most promising your players leave because they can't afford them anymore? Are Christian Kirk, Chase Edmonds, and Hasaan Reddick our garbage?

It's hilarious to me that people are bringing up New Orleans as an example of teams in cap hell. They found like $60 million in cap space on the eve of the new league year. With the cap going up significantly every season, cap constraints are largely imaginary if you want to make a move.

With the NFC seemingly wide open, the Cards should be doing everything they can to take advantage of Kyler's cost control over the next year or three to make moves.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Not really. I'd rather bring Green back, or draft and play a rookie. Or trade for any number of WR's that could be available.

We don't have to sign a guy that averages 10 games a season before he missed all last season.

Last year we signed a guy who averaged missing 5+ games every other season for the prior 6 seasons. Better than fuller, but he’s also not as fast as fuller. He’s also not currently signed. They’re kinda in the same bin if you ask me, so it’s more like what’s your preferred flavor?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If a player is a free agent, they are often "damaged goods" or their team has significant doubts about their value.

That's the secret of free agency, teams rarely let their best players go so your stuck looking through your neighbors garbage for players.

Except that’s not always the rule. Kirk was overpaid but I don’t think he’s “damaged.” Scherff certainly wasn’t. Nor do it consider Edmonds. In fact there are plenty of players that make it to free agency every year that are cap casualties that aren’t damaged. It’s kinda silly to just lump every free agent into a single category, isn’t it? But that’s what you’ve been selling lately.

 

[BritCard]

Doesn't this go against the theory that franchises spend unwisely in free agency, end up in "cap hell", and have to let their most promising your players leave because they can't afford them anymore? Are Christian Kirk, Chase Edmonds, and Hasaan Reddick our garbage?

It's hilarious to me that people are bringing up New Orleans as an example of teams in cap hell. They found like $60 million in cap space on the eve of the new league year. With the cap going up significantly every season, cap constraints are largely imaginary if you want to make a move.

With the NFC seemingly wide open, the Cards should be doing everything they can to take advantage of Kyler's cost control over the next year or three to make moves.

Saint's freed up cap space by borrowing it from down the road and letting good players leave.

They let Armstead go, they currently have James Hurst at LT. They let Marcus Williams go and signed Daniel Sorensen. They have Jameis at QB. They have nothing at WR except Thomas.

And after losing quality players and restructuring a bunch of deals to free up $19m, most of which will be eaten by the rookie draft pool and the PS, they are now $33m over the cap next year already.

All they keep doing is borrowing from next year. Rince and repeat.

And Michael Thomas is only getting paid $19.25m when the top WR's are getting nearly $30m. And he wasn't happy before that.

The cap is real and Saint's are in a bad position. And what did they get for throwing all their money at making a SB run? Nothing.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Except that’s not always the rule. Kirk was overpaid but I don’t think he’s “damaged.” Scherff certainly wasn’t. Nor do it consider Edmonds. In fact there are plenty of players that make it to free agency every year that are cap casualties that aren’t damaged. It’s kinda silly to just lump every free agent into a single category, isn’t it? But that’s what you’ve been selling lately.

That's not always the case but it's mostly the case.

The players not fitting this category are mostly seeking money vastly outstripping their production. There are rare exceptions. One player that I can think of that was a massive bargain was Robert Woods. His first contract with the Rams was a massive bargain. Ther are a few players like him now and then...like Reddick last year.