Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
If you are looking at the accepted contracts, it doesn't negatively impact those years either. Worst case is that you have positional depth at CB and DL.What about winning in 2024 or 2025?
If you are looking at the accepted contracts, it doesn't negatively impact those years either. Worst case is that you have positional depth at CB and DL.What about winning in 2024 or 2025?
Regarding point 1, again it depends on what your goals are. If your goals are to build your team through the draft, 1-3 year deals don't really matter. Look at James Conner's contract as an example of this. Most agree that he is overpaid, but his contract isn't preventing the Cardinals from doing anything. Ertz contract is another example. You have to spend money.Now I want to make sure you understand that I don't feel this way, but the argument can be made that an overpay is an overpay and that when you clear the cap the way the Cardinals are, why would you turn around and add what could be bad contracts?
My bet is that the new regime sees Cam Thomas as Allen's replacement.
And, also, that's a dumb plan because you're just plugging a hole you created by not bringing back the guy in the first place. At best it's treading water. Boy, do we ever need to not just be treading water with this roster.Regarding point 1, again it depends on what your goals are. If your goals are to build your team through the draft, 1-3 year deals don't really matter. Look at James Conner's contract as an example of this. Most agree that he is overpaid, but his contract isn't preventing the Cardinals from doing anything. Ertz contract is another example. You have to spend money.
Point 2. I agree. The Keim-of-it is he hasn't shown he can.
Cam Thomas actually showed quite a bit in limited snaps. I think he can become around an 8 sack per year guy and will be a nice compliment to Anderson Jr.I can't see Cam Thomas moving from Edge if they are going to 4-3 (which seems likely). Maybe he would have played some 3-4 DE if we played a 3-4 but you don't play a 270lb guy at DT in a 4 man front. He'd get crushed. They would run at him all day.
He had 3 sacks, a PD, 4 TFL's, 7 pressures, 10 Hits, 3 knockdowns and 18 tackles on just 157 passing snaps and 75 run snaps.
SIS actually has him with 17 pressures and an 11.6% pressure rate.
Cam Thomas actually showed quite a bit in limited snaps. I think he can become around an 8 sack per year guy and will be a nice compliment to Anderson Jr.
So in actuality we have a solid young roster that only needs a few additions? Is this your stance?A lot of the offseason talk has focused on what Allen and Murphy might be in the future while guys still on the team seems to be just what they are with no room to grow.
There is much more to come from Thomas, Sanders, Moore, Thompson, Wilson, Zaven, Simmons etc Even guys like Hayes, Smith and Lawrence. We have a pretty young core on defense now of players that have flashed high ceilings. We just need coaches and structure to maximise that.
Again, no one on ASFN has said this ever. This is a boring tactic.A lot of the offseason talk has focused on what Allen and Murphy might be in the future while guys still on the team seems to be just what they are with no room to grow.
There is much more to come from Thomas, Sanders, Moore, Thompson, Wilson, Zaven, Simmons etc Even guys like Hayes, Smith and Lawrence. We have a pretty young core on defense now of players that have flashed high ceilings. We just need coaches and structure to maximise that.
Having Murphy and Allen on the roster wouldn’t have any impact on the development of those other players.A lot of the offseason talk has focused on what Allen and Murphy might be in the future while guys still on the team seems to be just what they are with no room to grow.
There is much more to come from Thomas, Sanders, Moore, Thompson, Wilson, Zaven, Simmons etc Even guys like Hayes, Smith and Lawrence. We have a pretty young core on defense now of players that have flashed high ceilings. We just need coaches and structure to maximise that.
So in actuality we have a solid young roster that only needs a few additions? Is this your stance?
This is probably the only situation where i use the "it's not madden" phrase. Player development is not a given, just like health. Trying to predict it is a tricky thing. Better to have players show growth than to make moves depending on it.Having Murphy and Allen on the roster wouldn’t have any impact on the development of those other players.
Obviously not all of our young talent will develop into quality NFL players; in fact, only a handful of them will.
Cam Thomas will be a DE in Gannon's new 4-3 defense. He fits the mold of a Josh Sweat or Brandon Graham like the Eagles used at DE last year.I can't see Cam Thomas moving from Edge if they are going to 4-3 (which seems likely). Maybe he would have played some 3-4 DE if we played a 3-4 but you don't play a 270lb guy at DT in a 4 man front. He'd get crushed. They would run at him all day.
He had 3 sacks, a PD, 4 TFL's, 7 pressures, 10 Hits, 3 knockdowns and 18 tackles on just 157 passing snaps and 75 run snaps.
SIS actually has him with 17 pressures and an 11.6% pressure rate.
We have a lot of young players, yes. Some of them may be capable of getting much better. Some may be capable of getting incrementally better. Many of them have shown us what they are.Nope. We have a lot of young players that are capable of getting much better.
We have a lot of young players, yes. Some of them may be capable of getting much better. Some may be capable of getting incrementally better. Many of them have shown us what they are.
Maybe. I still have big question marks over Sanders, Collins, and I hate to say Simmons, but also Simmons. Wilson is an okay player that will hopefully get better. I think Thomas is going to be a steady riser like Allen was. As for there being no reason they can't, well, that's just hope. There's every reason they can but also every reason they can't. Some players hit, some players miss, some players bustola. We hope all the younger players improve, but I don't see more than one or two possible rising stars amongst them, and that's iffy.People talk about Murphy and Allen like they are sure fire rising stars because we let them walk and at the same time talk about the young guys we still have as if they will never amount to anything.
There is a lot of young potential on this team. Especially on defense. Especially players already starting or likely to have significant roles. There's no reason Collins, Wilson, Simmons, Thompson, Sanders, Thomas etc can't make significant leaps and thrive in a new none Vance led scheme.
Who are these people? Murphy and Allen have already shown that they can be at least average starters in the NFL.People talk about Murphy and Allen like they are sure fire rising stars because we let them walk and at the same time talk about the young guys we still have as if they will never amount to anything.
There is a lot of young potential on this team. Especially on defense. Especially players already starting or likely to have significant roles. There's no reason Collins, Wilson, Simmons, Thompson, Sanders, Thomas etc can't make significant leaps and thrive in a new none Vance led scheme.
Who are these people?
I am not upset. It's such a relief to know that, despite our long history of not re-signing players after rookie contracts only to see them excel on other teams, that this time it is smart move and all part of a brilliant master plan.You STILL upset about Murphy and Allen? SMH.
That’s a far cry from the “surefire rising star” language you’re accusing “people” of using.You said literally just yesterday that Murphy "probably has his best football in front of him".
I could probably find another dozen posts from various people talking about them "ascending" or similar.
Yet nobody talks about our existing young players in the same way.
Did I miss us replacing them?You STILL upset about Murphy and Allen? SMH.
C'mon, Ouchie, we're totally going to replace them and get 4 or 5 new starters in the draftDid I miss us replacing them?