Free agents, now that we will have cap room (per Real GM):

[Brandon_Webb]

Originally posted by BMF
Brent Barry is the only player on that list that seems decent......

Same I was wondering why only 2 others mentioned his name...

 

[slinslin]

Because he is getting old.

I would much rather have Barry than Ginobili though.

I also think the Suns should keep their money for next season unless they can get a bunch of real good players.

As long as we don't get a star player like Kobe Bryant I am happy with Joe Johnson starting at SG and possibly adding someone through the draft to the rotation.

 

[Ryanwb]

Lets sign that Gugliotta guy, couldn't hurt

 

[SirStefan32]

Originally posted by slinslin
Ginobili isn't better than him in any of those aspects, especially not defense or athletic ability.

You are so in love with Johnson that you are blinded.

Have you seen Manu play D? That kid doesn't stop harrasing his man for a moment. Athletic ability? Manu is a freak when it comes to athletic ability. JJ is not even close.

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by SirStefan32
You are so in love with Johnson that you are blinded.

Have you seen Manu play D? That kid doesn't stop harrasing his man for a moment. Athletic ability? Manu is a freak when it comes to athletic ability. JJ is not even close.

I wouldn't mind Manu, but I can't see the Suns outbidding the Spurs.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I think we need to further enhance our depth.

With the addition of Alton Ford, Dan Langhi, and Fred Hoiberg, this team would be unstoppable.

 

[sly fly]

Manu or JJ?

I'll take Manu at the moment. Uncanny ability to hit big shots (re: PHX/SA playoffs). Smart player, who can mold his game to play with anyone.

Plus, he had one of the best put backs of a missed shot I've ever seen.

JJ has unlimited potential. At the moment, his jumper is too erratic. He'll drive coaches nuts until he can consistently hit the 10 footer, the 15 footer, or the 20 footer. Until then... HE IS JUST A TEASE.

I still cut JJ slack because of his age. That timeframe is quickly reducing.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm sure this has probably already been discussed, but I think moving Marion to the SG position (like Walter Davis) might be worth a try. When healthy the Suns then could play Zarko and also try McDyess at SF. Joe Johnson also seems to have the athletic ability and inclination to drive the ball inside and could play SF.

I like the idea of getting more size and rebounders on the floor especially with Stoudemire at the PF.

 

[George O'Brien]

It is all a matter of "how much"? Kolbe, T-Mac, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, to name a few are dominating players. Manu is very good, but not at that level.

How much is "very good" worth? Most people agree that Marion is "very good" and yet overpaid. How much is Manu worth?

 

[Ryanwb]

Originally posted by George O'Brien
Kolbe

Please for give me...

KOBE KOBE KOBE

Thanks

 

[cly2tw]

What Manu has over JJ is smartness. He is a seasoned veteran but part of it is just gift. JJ still has the potential, it just is gonna take a long time for him to be on the same level.

Anyway, the last couple of offseasons of the NBA told us one lecture at least, Don't overpay the no-impact, i.e. complementary, players like Marion. Utah and Denver did the right decision last summer. Manu excells in the presence of Duncan, but he is still a complementary player. Save the money for Kobe. If we must, we should only give reasonable, competitive contracts to the likes of Rasheed Wallace, Dice, so that we could do good trade with them later, like what Utah is in position to do with Harpring, when the team may want to change the complexion a little. The keyword, stay flexible. When you have to overpay, then it must go to a franchise player like Kobe, Pierce, or TMac.

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by cly2tw
What Manu has over JJ is smartness. He is a seasoned veteran but part of it is just gift. JJ still has the potential, it just is gonna take a long time for him to be on the same level.

Anyway, the last couple of offseasons of the NBA told us one lecture at least, Don't overpay the no-impact, i.e. complementary, players like Marion. Utah and Denver did the right decision last summer. Manu excells in the presence of Duncan, but he is still a complementary player. Save the money for Kobe. If we must, we should only give reasonable, competitive contracts to the likes of Rasheed Wallace, Dice, so that we could do good trade with them later, like what Utah is in position to do with Harpring, when the team may want to change the complexion a little. The keyword, stay flexible. When you have to overpay, then it must go to a franchise player like Kobe, Pierce, or TMac.

I'd just as soon not overpay anybody but any committment significantly above the mid cap had better be a super elite player.

 

[SirStefan32]

Originally posted by George O'Brien
I wouldn't mind Manu, but I can't see the Suns outbidding the Spurs.

I think you are right.

 

[slinslin]

Originally posted by hcsilla
Ginobili is more athletic, a better one-on-one player, shooter and defender than Johnson.
Enough?

Originally posted by NugzFan
ginobili is 100% better than joe johnson. dont be a homer.

Originally posted by SirStefan32
Ginobili isn't better than Johnson
LOL

Originally posted by SirStefan32
You are so in love with Johnson that you are blinded.

Have you seen Manu play D? That kid doesn't stop harrasing his man for a moment. Athletic ability? Manu is a freak when it comes to athletic ability. JJ is not even close.

I TOLD YOU SO!:notworthy

 

[devilalum]

Wow! What a giant pile of crap.

You could take the 12 best players off that list and you'd still have the worst team in the history of the NBA.

 

[JS22]

Johnson *IS* better than Manu at the rate he is going right now. Now, if he falls off the face of the earth again then obviously manu has the upper hand.

But right now JJ is above and beyond manu.

 

[SweetD]

Originally posted by WastedFate
Johnson *IS* better than Manu at the rate he is going right now. Now, if he falls off the face of the earth again then obviously manu has the upper hand.

But right now JJ is above and beyond manu.

Don't forget JJ contract is going to be much less than Manu as well.

 

[Chaplin]

A consistent JJ is better than a consistent Manu. Period.

Problem is, many would prefer a consistent Manu than an inconsistent JJ.

 

[slinslin]

Even for the entire season

Ginobili 13ppg 41%FG 5rpg 4apg turns 27 this year
Johnson 14.5ppg 42%FG 4rpg 4apg turns 23 this year

And Ginobili plays with Tim Duncan while Joe Johnson didn't even play half of the games with Amare.

 

[George O'Brien]

It is weird reading this thread since it began before JJ started on this string of great games. My guess is that JJ's stats over the past two weeks would put him in the elite category, especially since it included some games without Amare playing.

Can he sustain it? Who knows? He has always had the talent and the skills. Maybe...

 

[F-Dog]

Believe it or not, I'm already less worried about JJ's inconsistency. He played well at Arkansas when there wasn't anybody else to turn to, and he's playing well now, so I guess you can say that he shows the potential for consistent play under the right circumstances.

One thing that does bother me about the Manu/JJ comparison is that Manu totally destroyed JJ when they were matched against each other in last year's playoffs. Even though JJ is better than before, it's hard to write that off like it never happened.

I just hope Ginobili winds up with somebody besides the Spurs (or Nuggets, for that matter).

 

[slinslin]

Ginobili didn't even average 7ppg against the Suns in the playoffs. That is total destruction?

 

[F-Dog]

Originally posted by slinslin
Ginobili didn't even average 7ppg against the Suns in the playoffs. That is total destruction?

You watched the games, right?

JJ couldn't even bring the ball up the court against Manu. The only positive work he did in any of the six games was when he was matched up against Malik Rose at PF.

Manu was responsible for something like 5 turnovers per game against the Suns, and that was in limited minutes. IMO it was a dominating performance.

 

[George O'Brien]

I've had the impression that JJ's ball handling has improved a lot this season. Last year they tried to make him into a PG and it was pretty bad. Lately he has handled the ball as much as Barbosa and has been pretty successful.

I'm still not sure I understand this whole deal with Manu. The Suns are no going to sign him.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Originally posted by George O'Brien


I'm still not sure I understand this whole deal with Manu. The Suns are no going to sign him.

Well obviously, how can we offer Okur 11 million AND get Manu?!?!