From Pro Football Weekly: Green privately admits that JJ Arrington is a bigtime bust.

[BigDavis75]

Shipp will benefit, in monsterous proportions, also.
A kick butt bloking FB ruinning in front of a bruiser RB?
This could be the best move the Cards made all year.
This week is a good test. Our O line will have it's hands full, WITH their pass rush protection. Then opening holes for their RB's.
The Cards have not done adly in keeping the D fresh the last two weeks,
this could be tremendous for us.

If you're refering to Baxter, I seriously doubts he even gets a decent amount of PT this weekend.

 

[Pariah]

If you're refering to Baxter, I seriously doubts he even gets a decent amount of PT this weekend.

Or ever, IMO.

 

[Jay Cardinal]

Jj

I think the running instincts comment is interesting... what happens with a guy with average run instaincts wh occassionally dance to much behind a bad run-blocking line? Well, you probably get JJ's performance after the first 5 games.

Exactly. Considering Carnell Williams is the only rookie RB that has showed anything, it's too early to be calling JJ a bust. He does have the speed to do some damage if a hole somehow magically appeared on the offensive line.

 

[nurnay]

I could care less whether Green said that or not. Arrington is a bust though. I absolutely dread seeing that kid get the ball again. Horrible.

B.S.!!! That OL couldn't make a hole for Tomlinson. You simply CANNOT judge JJ with the Cards gawd-awful run blocking. He's not a bust. The OL is a bust.

 

[nurnay]

That's hilarious. Cadillac ran for more yards in his first three games than anyone in history behind a below average O-line. Yeah, I guess that would be considered "OK".

Sure, he got hurt and has missed the last two games, but it sure looks like Cadillac will be a star.

i don't know that tampa's OL is below average. pittman certainly has done well. considering tampa is #5 in rushing in the league, i highly doubt you can only credit the RB's.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Guys,

IF Green said this you do understand that he has had more looks at JJ than just the few carries he has had right?

I mean if you were the coach and you see an awful player practice day in and day out would you think you had a better idea of how good he is or does a fan that saw him carry it a dozen times or so have a better idea?

Get real. Some of you think you have more of a heads up than the staff.

Now whether he said it or not can be debated.

 

[Southpaw]

We are not doing that, is that because it's not the scheme, or because JJ just isn't doing it, I don't honestly know, but that's how he ran at Cal.

.... and that style doesn't work on Sundays. Big fast LBs love to see RBs start 10 yards deep. JJ reminds me of John Avery. I would stick his ass on special teams and light his fire. Maybe it is time for Green to give the other JJ a shot.

 

[Southpaw]

i don't know that tampa's OL is below average. pittman certainly has done well. considering tampa is #5 in rushing in the league, i highly doubt you can only credit the RB's.

I watched Pittman run last week against the Dolphins. He has dramatically changed his style since Cards days. He is much more under control now. He was nothing more than a battering ram trying to run through walls then. Now he waits for the hole and doesn't attempt to knock LBs over. Much more fluid and runs up the field instead of the Chinese firedrill style he had here.

 

[Snakester]

Arrington will not be a bust if he is used the way he should be. He is not a Jerome Bettis type that breaks tackles running up the middle. That is how he has been used to this point. He is more of a Tiki Barber type. Get him out in the open a little bit and watch him do his stuff. I thought he looked pretty good in his last game in the little time that he had to play. He is a great receiver out of the backfield, and if you put a fullback in front of him so he can get a decent block, he will get some good runs. It is so early in the season still and JJ has not been used very much. It might be different if he was getting 25 carries a game and still not doing anything but he is only getting like 4 or 5. I have a feeling we will see alot more of him against the Titans.

 

[Russ Smith]

Guys,

IF Green said this you do understand that he has had more looks at JJ than just the few carries he has had right?

I mean if you were the coach and you see an awful player practice day in and day out would you think you had a better idea of how good he is or does a fan that saw him carry it a dozen times or so have a better idea?

Get real. Some of you think you have more of a heads up than the staff.

Now whether he said it or not can be debated.

I don't think anybody is questioning what Green allegedly said, just if they believe he said it.

As I said I can believe it because what better way to motivate a kid than to leak rumors you're interested in Michael Bennett because you think Arrington is a bust? NOtice since those rumors started, JJ has had his 2 best games and per the radio guys he's noticeably turned it up in practice.

Will he start putting up 100 yard games, probably not I'm not sure that's doable right now with this OL and this team. But if Green wanted to motivate him, it apparently worked.

Now if Green said that for another reason, that would be stupid because all it would do is lower any possible trade value for the player you apparently don't like. One would hope that Green would have learned that lesson already, if you don't want someone and want to trade them, it's best not to make it well known.

Of course Green has seen more of JJ than any of us, he's the one that fell in love with him at the senior bowl and combine, and maybe now he's the one that fell OUT of love with him.

 

[Duckjake]

NOtice since those rumors started, JJ has had his 2 best games and per the radio guys he's noticeably turned it up in practice.

It's really sad that 4 carries for 14 yards and 1 catch for 12 against Carolina and 7 carries for 13 yards against the 49ers are a guys best games.

 

[earthsci]

It's really sad that 4 carries for 14 yards and 1 catch for 12 against Carolina and 7 carries for 13 yards against the 49ers are a guys best games.

When a RB isn't given the ball very much you can't really expect him to do very much.

 

[Russ Smith]

It's really sad that 4 carries for 14 yards and 1 catch for 12 against Carolina and 7 carries for 13 yards against the 49ers are a guys best games.

Agreed, but it's also true.

 

[Southpaw]

Agreed, but it's also true.

A celebration of mediocrity.

 

[conraddobler]

I don't think anybody is questioning what Green allegedly said, just if they believe he said it.

As I said I can believe it because what better way to motivate a kid than to leak rumors you're interested in Michael Bennett because you think Arrington is a bust? NOtice since those rumors started, JJ has had his 2 best games and per the radio guys he's noticeably turned it up in practice.

Will he start putting up 100 yard games, probably not I'm not sure that's doable right now with this OL and this team. But if Green wanted to motivate him, it apparently worked.

Now if Green said that for another reason, that would be stupid because all it would do is lower any possible trade value for the player you apparently don't like. One would hope that Green would have learned that lesson already, if you don't want someone and want to trade them, it's best not to make it well known.

Of course Green has seen more of JJ than any of us, he's the one that fell in love with him at the senior bowl and combine, and maybe now he's the one that fell OUT of love with him.

Russ I totally understand your scenario, this is the same guy who proclaimed Josh the next savior of our franchise just because he wanted to for his own purposes.

Now DG does have a penchant for saying exactly what he means on certain things. He tells you he loves Larry Fitzgerald before the draft and then drafts him.

He tells you we may have to pass to set up the run and then he does just that.

On the other hand he proclaims Kendal as a core player and cuts him.

So if you are trying to figure out what this means then either it's the tell it like it is Denny, or the other Denny or he didn't even say it.

I hope that clears it up.

 

[Pariah]

NOtice since those rumors started, JJ has had his 2 best games and per the radio guys he's noticeably turned it up in practice.

I thought practices were closed to the media...otherwise, why is there such a big mystery as to who's starting at QB?

 

[Russ Smith]

I thought practices were closed to the media...otherwise, why is there such a big mystery as to who's starting at QB?

I'm assuming they get it from players but both Pasch and Wolfley have commented the last 2 games on radio that JJ had his best week of practice and was running with more purpose. So either they get to see practice, or they're getting it from coaches or players.

Who knows maybe they're talking to JJ.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

i dont doubt that denny feel this way and even relayed it to someone else but i think he had pretty high expectations for the kid.....they should have given more credence to his low key demanor....at a physical position like RB i want a guy w/ more fire.


I will make a better call after this game however. as i stated before i was encouraged by the WAY he ran (not the obviously mediocre numbers) and i will see if he can build on that against a team that likes to pin its ears back like the titans....

 

[CardinalChris]

I don't think anybody is questioning what Green allegedly said, just if they believe he said it.

As I said I can believe it because what better way to motivate a kid than to leak rumors you're interested in Michael Bennett because you think Arrington is a bust? NOtice since those rumors started, JJ has had his 2 best games and per the radio guys he's noticeably turned it up in practice.

Will he start putting up 100 yard games, probably not I'm not sure that's doable right now with this OL and this team. But if Green wanted to motivate him, it apparently worked.

Now if Green said that for another reason, that would be stupid because all it would do is lower any possible trade value for the player you apparently don't like. One would hope that Green would have learned that lesson already, if you don't want someone and want to trade them, it's best not to make it well known.

Of course Green has seen more of JJ than any of us, he's the one that fell in love with him at the senior bowl and combine, and maybe now he's the one that fell OUT of love with him.

It also can take a rookie RB some time to learn that in cllege, run fast nobody can catch you. In the NFL EVERYONE can catch you, and those holes are more like slivers you better get to when they are there, 'cause they aren't there for long. Often RBs don't wait for the play and blocking to develope, but in JJs case the blocking NEVER developes. I worry about him getting into bad habits patience-wise.

 

[john h]

Guys,

IF Green said this you do understand that he has had more looks at JJ than just the few carries he has had right?

I mean if you were the coach and you see an awful player practice day in and day out would you think you had a better idea of how good he is or does a fan that saw him carry it a dozen times or so have a better idea?

Get real. Some of you think you have more of a heads up than the staff.

Now whether he said it or not can be debated.

There are some coaches who will tell a player and the media just what he thinks. Arrington has been told to his face and publicly(saw the coach on TV) that until he gets with the Coach's program he will be sitting on the bench. Seems there is still a standoff as Arrington is still sitting and he clearly is a better player than his replacement. If the Coach thinks JJ sucks perhaps saying it is better than dancing all around it.

 

[vince56]

This is common sense. JJ up to this point is a bust. He has yet to play well.

 

[Duckjake]

A celebration of mediocrity.

What you call Cardinal fans jumping up and cheering.

 

[john h]

It also can take a rookie RB some time to learn that in cllege, run fast nobody can catch you. In the NFL EVERYONE can catch you, and those holes are more like slivers you better get to when they are there, 'cause they aren't there for long. Often RBs don't wait for the play and blocking to develope, but in JJs case the blocking NEVER developes. I worry about him getting into bad habits patience-wise.

I am still of the opinion that you do not learn instinct that a RB needs no matter how long you play in the NFL. The Auburn RB's are rolling, other good RB's came into this league and made big yardage from day one. You hand the ball off to the RB and in a second he has to make decision based purely on instinct. There is only so much he can learn and if he is going to learn it at all he will know what he needs to know after a few games. How many great RB's can anyone name that became great several years after coming into the league. Earl Campbell did not need not a stinking OL to make 3 yards. He could carry the DL on his back. Try to stop John Riggins on the 2 yard line. Tomlinson is a sure fire TD inside the three. Barry Sanders was going to make yardage even behind our OL. I do not know what the deal with JJ is but at the moment he does not look very good. In fact he looks auful. I hope for the best but I would not put any money on it.

 

[CardinalChris]

I am still of the opinion that you do not learn instinct that a RB needs no matter how long you play in the NFL. The Auburn RB's are rolling, other good RB's came into this league and made big yardage from day one. You hand the ball off to the RB and in a second he has to make decision based purely on instinct. There is only so much he can learn and if he is going to learn it at all he will know what he needs to know after a few games. How many great RB's can anyone name that became great several years after coming into the league. Earl Campbell did not need not a stinking OL to make 3 yards. He could carry the DL on his back. Try to stop John Riggins on the 2 yard line. Tomlinson is a sure fire TD inside the three. Barry Sanders was going to make yardage even behind our OL. I do not know what the deal with JJ is but at the moment he does not look very good. In fact he looks auful. I hope for the best but I would not put any money on it.

Instincts, sure, but unless you are a hall of fame RB (and JJ is not), yuo need to learn patience. Ask Priest Holmes. It took him a couple of years. It is not uncommon for your average to above average RBs to take a year to learn how to set their blocks up.

 

[earthsci]

...other good RB's came into this league and made big yardage from day one. You hand the ball off to the RB and in a second he has to make decision based purely on instinct. There is only so much he can learn and if he is going to learn it at all he will know what he needs to know after a few games.

So should we ignore Kevin Jones who only 106 yds through week 6 of his rookie year? If so, then we should really, really ignore Julius Jones who only had 16 yds leading up until week 11 of his rookie year.