From Pro Football Weekly: Green privately admits that JJ Arrington is a bigtime bust.

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john h said:
I am still of the opinion that you do not learn instinct that a RB needs no matter how long you play in the NFL. The Auburn RB's are rolling, other good RB's came into this league and made big yardage from day one. You hand the ball off to the RB and in a second he has to make decision based purely on instinct. There is only so much he can learn and if he is going to learn it at all he will know what he needs to know after a few games. How many great RB's can anyone name that became great several years after coming into the league. Earl Campbell did not need not a stinking OL to make 3 yards. He could carry the DL on his back. Try to stop John Riggins on the 2 yard line. Tomlinson is a sure fire TD inside the three. Barry Sanders was going to make yardage even behind our OL. I do not know what the deal with JJ is but at the moment he does not look very good. In fact he looks auful. I hope for the best but I would not put any money on it.

JJ has 24 carries for 41 yards in 4 games, no fumbles, longest run is 13 yards.

After his first 24 carries Ronnie Brown had 66 yards rushing and no fumbles. If you take away the big loss on the botched reverse to Fitz, JJ is 12 yards behind Brown after 24 carries.

The primary difference is JJ did this in 4 games, Brown reached 24 carries in one game plus 2 carries in game 2 against the Jets. Do I think Brown is better than JJ of course I do, that's why he was picked 2nd and JJ 44th.

As to being unstoppable from the 3 etc. JJ has one carry in the redzone, and 0 inside the 5 yard line, so you can't really fault him for failing at that since he's never had the chance to do it
 

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earthsci said:
So should we ignore Kevin Jones who only 106 yds through week 6 of his rookie year? If so, then we should really, really ignore Julius Jones who only had 16 yds leading up until week 11 of his rookie year.

Kevin Jones is OVERATED!

Julius Jones was hurt for over 1/2 the seaon last year with a broken collar bone I believe it was so not much surprise there.
 

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Shane H said:
Kevin Jones is OVERATED!

Julius Jones was hurt for over 1/2 the seaon last year with a broken collar bone I believe it was so not much surprise there.

Oh and by the way he had 247 yards by week 11. Dont know where you got your stats from?
 

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Shane H said:
Julius Jones was hurt for over 1/2 the seaon last year with a broken collar bone I believe it was so not much surprise there.
So he probably didn't carry the ball much.
 

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Shane H said:
Kevin Jones is OVERATED!

Julius Jones was hurt for over 1/2 the seaon last year with a broken collar bone I believe it was so not much surprise there.

I actually think they're both overrated. The reason they come up is they were rookies last year, they both started slowly, and when SWD first started talking about JJ he kept using the "jones boys" as examples of good young RB's so naturally people pointed out neither of them started well either.

Julius Jones has played 13 NFL games, in 7 of those games he had more carries than JJ Arrington has had all season. It's just very hard to make any statistical comparisons between the 2.

As to what Green thinks of JJ, let's be honest, he would be starting and getting 20 + carries a game if Green thought highly of him at the moment, the proof is in the playing time clearly Green isn't yet convinced.
 

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Russ Smith said:
As to what Green thinks of JJ, let's be honest, he would be starting and getting 20 + carries a game if Green thought highly of him at the moment, the proof is in the playing time clearly Green isn't yet convinced.

Yup!

Thats the biggest clue we have right there. Green clearly feels hes not up to par. We all know how he loves to play "his guys"
 

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Russ Smith said:
I actually think they're both overrated. The reason they come up is they were rookies last year, they both started slowly, and when SWD first started talking about JJ he kept using the "jones boys" as examples of good young RB's so naturally people pointed out neither of them started well either.

Julius Jones has played 13 NFL games, in 7 of those games he had more carries than JJ Arrington has had all season. It's just very hard to make any statistical comparisons between the 2.

As to what Green thinks of JJ, let's be honest, he would be starting and getting 20 + carries a game if Green thought highly of him at the moment, the proof is in the playing time clearly Green isn't yet convinced.

Maybe the problem is that our backs NEVER get enough carries. JJ is getting around 5 and shipp 12 per game this season.

Last year Emmitt averaged 17.8 and had the highest rushing total since 1998, Marcel averaged 14.2 in '03 and 12.5 in '02.

Thomas Jones had 15 in '02-and had his best year as a Cardinal, 7 in '01 and 8 in his rookie season. Pittman had 11.5 att/per game that year and 15 in '01.

Murrell averaged 18.2 in '98 as our last 1000 yrd rusher.

JJones had exactly 5 carries going into week 11 last year. He gets 30 that week and never goes below 22 the rest of the season getting 801 yards in those 7 games.

McGahee in Buffalo had 19 carries through the first 4 games. He gets 26/111 the next week, averages over 22 per game the rest of the way scoring 13 TD's and finishing the season with over 1100 yards.

Look at what TJones has done in Chicago now that he's getting the carries.

Could be the Cardinals need to find a way to give one guy the chance to carry the ball more than a dozen times a game.
 

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Shane H said:
Kevin Jones is OVERATED!

Julius Jones was hurt for over 1/2 the seaon last year with a broken collar bone I believe it was so not much surprise there.

Bill Parcells was ripping Jones for being 'soft' at the start of last year and Jones was struggling. It was once he came back from injury that he started to do well because he adjusted to the pro game.
 

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