Front office reaction

[8ndkorner]

Johnson won't come here...neither will Green. They won't get the power they need/desire.



I thought the same thing about Parcells going to Dallas. I was sure that Jerry Jones would get in his way but not so far. That's just a matter of time though.

But look what he's done for the freaking cowboys! They look totally different now that the games count. Parcells had that reputation before and has done nothing to discredit himself thus far.

If Jimmy Johnson misses football and also wants his biggest challenge the Cardinals are the team for him.

 

[pinnacle]

timing is bad for a johnson or green type..since we just gave graves a bunch of power...probably have better odds with a top college coach. Some college guys still want to move up to the big show - and college with all of the recruiting is a pain in the ass...

 

[pinnacle]

I got tired of watching indianapolis score...jim haslett may be available...he started out great with the saints - but he has lost the team...

 

[PACardsFan]

The HC from New Orleans may be available tomorrow morning as they are getting waxed 55-13. UNBELIEVABLE!!!! I keep hearing that it's impossible for the Cardinals to bring in a decent, experienced HC. There is no greater lure in professional sports than HC in the NFL. The Cardinals have had some very good coaches, unfortunately Bidwill fired them: Charley Winner (60's), Don Coryell(70's), hell, Joe Gibbs was an assistant coach under Coryell . Could you imagine how our history may have been different had Bidwill hired from within when he let Coryell go. They had Hannifan there in the 80's when Lomax was lighting up the league. Hannifan is no doubt the GREATEST OL coach the NFL has ever seen. Even the great Bud Wilkinson coached the Cardinals in the 70's for a short time. Bud Wilkinson was one of the greatest college coaches EVER & Bidwill was able to talk him out of a 10 year retirement to take the job. Wilkinson didn't last long, but they were at least competetive & didn't get BLOWN out. I AM SO SICK OF WATCHING QB'S SIT IN THE POCKET FOR MINUTES AT A TIME, THAT I WOULD GO SO FAR AS TO SAY I'D PREFER BUDDY RYAN OVER MAC RIGHT NOW. Buddy didn't understand the cap, but he did bring in some big name players. The Cardinals need to bring in a respected HC who will be able to bring in some ex-players!!!! The Cardinal front office now understands the cap, so I don't see another Buddy financial fiasco happening. BRING BACK BUDDY & HIS SONS NOW!!!!!!!!!!

 

[daytripper]

For what its worth, the U of A ran off Macovic today.
He was a dismal failure here so that should provide the qualifications for a tenure with the Cards, no?

 

[daytripper]

Originally posted by ChiCard
I refuse to believe they don't want to win. /B]

I dont believe winning enters into ownerships equation. Their motivation seems to be driven soley by profit and loss. And theyve learned over the years that it is possible to lose games and still make money.
Ralph Wilson of the Bills was in the same mindset for many years. but in the mid 80s he said " to hell with the money I want a champion" Low and behold 4 Super Bowl appearances and more cash flow than he ever dreamed of.
The Bdwills should use the Bills as an example and turn this thing around before theres nothing left to turn!!

 

[Mr.Dibbs]

I don't know how many third and longs stl converted today but I bet it was at least half a dozen.

Until a pass rush arrives you can post the above quote every Sunday.

Our only hope next week is to confuse Carter into throwing picks, but he's looked so much more mature the last two weeks...we have to score on our first drive to be in it, so we don't have to go into our "catch-up" gameplan.

 

[Mr.Dibbs]

Originally posted by PACardsFan
BRING BACK BUDDY & HIS SONS NOW!!!!!!!!!!

BRING BACK BUDDY & HIS SONS NOW!!!!!!!!!!

Hey PACardsFan,

Calm down, and in two days read what you just posted. I'm upset to, but bring Buddy Ryan back? Go to bed man.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Originally posted by ChiCard
Just take a look at this silly comment:

"There's no way you're going to have a successful game against that offense or any offense playing that kind of defense," Cardinals coach Dave McGinnis said. "They converted third downs at will. We blitzed, they converted. We covered, they converted."

Well who's fault is that?

Wow, that sounds just like what he said when we got pasted by the Giants...

at home...

31-7...

Back in 2000!

Same-old-same-old...

Coach Mac is a nice guy, and a great speaker. But as I have said in another thread, he and his staff have earned the right to seek employment elsewhere.

 

[Mr.Dibbs]

If we get a new coach, I say no college guys. We need an experienced NFL coach, and there's a few good ones out there.

 

[RLakin]

I think it's well past the point of arguing over another head coach. Those good enough to turn this thing around would require an amount of power, as some have said, that won't be handed with a first year VP of personnel on the job and in the wake of the Ryan era. I'm not a big fan of McGinnis or Marmie, but an aggressive approach to this game would have further exposed corners that have no business starting in this league. Rhinehart's penalty about said it all. They had no chance of keeping up with the Rams wideouts in this game.
I also find it rather ironic that the 3-4 is now the excuse for Suggs' being good instead of (as some around here frequently stated during the pre-season) evidence as to why the Cards were right not to take him. Guess that's what happens when the guy Graves' passed on has twice the sacks than this team's collective effort. Typical.
So Suggs being a good pass rush linebacker has no bearing on what he could or couldn't do in Arizona. After all, the last thing the Cards wanted was a linebacker to get after the passer on regular downs while putting his hand down in passing downs. Wait, doesn't that describe Roosevelt Colvin? Oh, but he was hurt. Hypotheticals do serve some purpose, I suppose. As long as the line up with a certain point of view. Namely Graves'.
You can't fault Pace, though. The guy has no one around him who other teams respect and why this team refuses to switch to a 3-4 is beyond me. Then again, even a 3-4 wouldn’t protect the Cards corners from being routinely picked on. I said it before the season, how a so-called GM can throw out these corners against an NFC West that features the likes of Koren Robinson, Terrell Owens, Bruce/Holt is beyond crazy. It should also give some pause to those still holding onto the "Graves has plan" crutch. Obviously it was a good one in regards to pass defense.
I'm rooting for you guys, I really am. Those loyal beyond logic deserve some semblance of hope, but I must say, I don't see it.
What I do see is another decent coach getting the can after a bad season with terrible personnel and with an unprecedented 15% of their salary resources untapped. I don't know about you, but I can't wait to see who on what's looking like a 4-12 team is the deserving recipient of an multi-year extension. Or who wants one for that matter.

 

[Sandan]

Originally posted by Oran
If we get a new coach, I say no college guys. We need an experienced NFL coach, and there's a few good ones out there.

Who ?

JJ is happy being retired by all accounts

 

[Matt L]

i think norm chow would be worth a look, possibly try to bring in the best defensive coordinator possible and then ask norm to be offensive coordinator, that guy seems to understand football.

 

[Sandan]

Norm Chow ?

 

[8ndkorner]

Originally posted by Oran
If we get a new coach, I say no college guys. We need an experienced NFL coach, and there's a few good ones out there.

Amen brother! That's why we should have made a run for Parcells once we knew he could come out of retirement (Dallas). That's why we need to at least see if Jimmy Johnson is interested. I would have never guessed that Parcells would come out of retirement.......and to freaking Dallas! We have to at least ask Jimmy if he's interested.

After that it's a crap shoot. Walsh?

 

[8ndkorner]

Damn, I'm not so sure I need to be that harsh now that I've read it.

These players love Mac. I can't understand then why they don't play like there's no tomorrow. and It may be getting to that now. It may be Mac's loyalty to his staff and that has been well documented. At the very least though we need to replace the DC and mean Joe. I loved Joe Green when he played but it's not the same game anymore. Did they even have the west coast offense then? It started with the Joe Montana era didn't it. I can't remember if Joe was still playing then. In any case, you have to adapt to the times or get buried if you don't.

I'd like to see bringing in a proven Dc first and there are a few of them out there. Money talks and so you could lure a DC away from a team......couldn't you?

 

[JeffGollin]

I'm pretty sure Michael Bidwill and Rod Graves will not tolerate these kinds of meltdowns
The finger pointing begins.

There's plenty of blame to go around, and part of the meltdown has occurred in the front office.

I agree that we're being outcoached. And I hated it when Larry("Mr. New Aggressive Defense") Marmie went back to his old MO of rushing three in front of a soft zone.

But it hasn't gone unnoticed that:

- Jake Plummer - with a better supporting cast - is burning things up in Denver.

- Terrell Suggs has 4 sacks already as a rookie.

- We didn't do anything in the offseason to bring in NFL caliber CB's - ours looked like cardboard cutouts on the field against Holt and Bruce.

- We didn't do anything in the offseason to bring in NFL caliber DT's. Anyone see any semblence of a run defense yesterday?

I agree with you - Mac and many of his defensive assistants aren't getting the job done. And it's not as though Rod Graves didn't make good decisions regarding Boldin and Boston.

But I'd be really concerned if I thought the Cardinal ownership and front office might want to use Mac and his assistants as scapegoats & hang them out to dry in order to cover their own butts.

Like I said, there's plenty of blame to go around.

 

[Matt L]

norm chow is the offensive coordinator for USC, so far he has looked like a genius in turning around carson palmer and pretty devising and offense for USC.

 

[Rats]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Guys

Originally posted by CoachBigDog
I disagree- I coach college football with one of Denny Green's assistant coaches(sorry, cannot give names) and he is close to Denny and thru our conversations he has mentioned that Denny really wants to get back to coaching. Obviously, SF is his number 1 choice and since Dennis Erickson has been set up to fail there that may be his final destination,however, Denny has got the itch and I think that Graves and Denny are a good match.....all I am saying is don't be surprised.

Great Call CoachBigDog....you know your stuff! This was back in Sept.....