Frye signs with the Magic (?)

[AzStevenCal]

This is true. However, I think Frye is sort of a streak shooter and to erratic to count on. One night he has it, the next night he doesn't.

Disagree. It was that way in the past for Channing but not really that way last year. Last year he was pretty bad almost every night the last month or two of the season. Prior to that he was fairly consistent. All shooters have ups and downs but he was consistent to that standard until his game disappeared. I know that people don't like the +/- but he led or was second for most of the season. But when his game went south, so did his +/- numbers.

Steve

 

[BC867]

We also both know that playing Frye as center is a mistake for the team and his stamina especially on the defensive end of the court. He is not great at rebounding but i personally think he gave his best trying to guard the other team's big man.

You're right with the first three points.

But I would hope that most NBA players give their best on defense.

Hell, I would give my best, but that doesn't make me a 4-year NBA investment.

 

[mojorizen7]

The NBA game has changed. Google. Learn. Move on.

You can add up Channing's rebounds with an abacus and complain about his stats. Or you can join the modern world. Your choice.

Steve

The influx of prototypical Euro bigmen and lack of quality bigmen in general is more to blame than rule changes. Your idea that true bigmen aren't as important as they were 20 years ago because of the way the game is played now is absurd.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The word was that Channing was clear of the virus. He wasn't playing with a heart condition.

He is a very one-dimensional player. If his 3-point shot is falling, he spreads the floor on offense. If not, he is not even an average post player.

He sat out for a year and a half and he was heavily restricted in what he could do. It's hard to go from that to full speed and stay effective for a whole season. Maybe he didn't wear out, maybe he just returned to form. But it's not unreasonable to believe it was the result of exhaustion.

Steve

 

[AfroSuns]

Except when they play us. Frye's a good dude. I'm happy for him. Us? I'm a little worried. So far we've only gotten worse.

This! i am waiting to see who the Suns signs to plug that hole. Sunsfan88 Saying addition by subtraction for a decent player with good character is RIDICULOUS. Right now, Markief is not better than Frye..hopefully he wont try to imitate him because he is not a better 3point shooter.

 

[Superbone]

If the Suns follow through and sign a starting Power Forward, it will indeed be addition by subtraction. Markieff is not the answer, either.

No, that would be addition by subtraction and addition assuming that the new player is better than Frye.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The influx of prototypical Euro bigmen and lack of quality bigmen in general is more to blame than rule changes. Your idea that true bigmen aren't as important as they were 20 years ago because of the way the game is played now is absurd.

Silly me.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

No, that would be addition by subtraction and addition assuming that the new player is better than Frye.

Or would it simply be subtraction then addition.

Of course the financial factor can change the equation.

 

[BC867]

No, that would be addition by subtraction and addition assuming that the new player is better than Frye.

Hopefully, he won't have to be "better" at Power Forward and Center, just at Power Forward.

And . . . do you really honestly believe that signing Channing to a $32MM contract for 4 years would have been a wise move? That is the key part of the equation.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Hopefully, he won't have to be "better" at Power Forward and Center, just at Power Forward.

And . . . do you really honestly believe that signing Channing to a $32MM contract for 4 years would have been a wise move? That is the key part of the equation.

I'd probably have passed on it too. I think there's a decent chance he'll be worth that deal but it's too risky IMO. But I still think we just got hurt. I think 3 years/21 million was about the highest I'd have gone.

Steve

 

[Superbone]

Hopefully, he won't have to be "better" at Power Forward and Center, just at Power Forward.

And . . . do you really honestly believe that signing Channing to a $32MM contract for 4 years would have been a wise move? That is the key part of the equation.

I wasn't talking money. Only basketball. It's not my money. That's a totally different question.

It does seem like a lot of money for what Frye gave us. I guess the real question is who do they replace him with and for how much (if we're talking money now)?

 

[sunsfan88]

I hope you're right. I'm pretty sure you're wrong.

Steve

I can assure you that Magic fans will be hating him and his contract by year 2.

 

[Mainstreet]

Silly me.

Steve

Do the fans need the Suns do something now or what.

Soon their will be cannibalism if it hasn't already started (feigned shock).

 

[AzStevenCal]

I can assure you that Magic fans will be hating him and his contract by year 2.

I think you're right. I know that there were Suns fans bashing him in December merely because he was logging one fewer rebound per game than his peers and he was playing like a superstar back then.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

I'd probably have passed on it too. I think there's a decent chance he'll be worth that deal but it's too risky IMO. But I still think we just got hurt. I think 3 years/21 million was about the highest I'd have gone.

Steve

I'd held at 3 years at 15M. And apparently the Suns did draw the line somewhere although I think they would have gone to 18M.

 

[BC867]

I wasn't talking money. Only basketball. It's not my money. That's a totally different question.

A contract is never just about money. It is also about how long you are committed to an incomplete or declining player, perhaps blocking the way for improving yourself or developing younger talent.

 

[sunsfan88]

I think you're right. I know that there were Suns fans bashing him in December merely because he was logging one fewer rebound per game than his peers and he was playing like a superstar back then.

Steve

It was probably just me. I know many people in the Suns fan base liked his game but I never did. Even in that 09-'10 successful season, people fail to realize that the Suns only went on that amazing run after the AS break AFTER Gentry benched Frye in favor of like Jarron Collins and some DLeague players.

Frye is basically slightly better version of Matt Bonner. Same skillset.

 

[mojorizen7]

The NBA game has changed. Google. Learn. Move on.

You can add up Channing's rebounds with an abacus and complain about his stats. Or you can join the modern world. Your choice.

Steve

Forgive me for my high and mighty stance.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Forgive me for my high and mighty stance.

Well, we're probably both up there on the same high horse.

Steve

 

[Ronin]

A bunch of teams, including GSW, concluded early after 7/1 that Frye would get more than mid-level. Didn't expect it to be in ORL, but, hey.

https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/486271676205002752
Good for Channing Frye.

 

[Mainstreet]

https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/486271676205002752
Good for Channing Frye.

It perplexes me that we say good for Channing Frye but many fans were so down on Steve Nash when he signed a reasonable contract with the Lakers. I know everyone hates the Lakers but the Suns literally booted Nash out the door. If the Suns pushed Nash out that door after he had done so much for the Suns, why criticize him for taking the opportunity that was best for him and his family.

 

[Chaz]

I always liked Frye and will miss him.

Don't blame the Suns for not offering that contract. 15-18 mil sounds about right but 32 is a lot. Good for Frye. I wish him the best.

Opens up opportunity at the 4. I think a stop gap for the season and aquire some talent next summer sounds like a plan considering what is available.

 

[Ronin]

It perplexes me that we say good for Channing Frye but many fans were so down on Steve Nash when he signed a reasonable contract with the Lakers. I know everyone hates the Lakers but the Suns literally booted Nash out the door. If the Suns pushed Nash out that door after he had done so much for the Suns, why criticize him for taking the opportunity that was best for him and his family.

I was really sad when Steve Nash left and hope the can back and retire a Phoenix Sun. He was never a Los Angeles Laker. I hold no ill will towards Steve Nash.

 

[Mainstreet]

I was really sad when Steve Nash left and hope the can back and retire a Phoenix Sun. He was never a Los Angeles Laker. I hold no ill will towards Steve Nash.

My feelings as well. However, it was time for Nash to go. All I ask is if the Suns can figure out a way for him to retire a Sun.

 

[desertdawg]

Frye was a guy I was OK with because he was local style. If someone else wanted him good luck to them and him. I hope he eats his man pills everyday, cuz homie is soft through long stretches.