FWIW - Jurecki said coaching search could be over very soon

[maddogkf]

Fergie & MJ standing next to each other would be the number "10"

 

[Tangodnzr]

Originally posted by EndZone
Why not? From what I see he is trying to let the fans know they are working on it without coming right out and saying it.

They have done the same thing with all negotions so far lately. Except for the Raynoch & Big contracts.

There's a BIG difference between saying:
"Jurecki said that Mike Bidwill tipped his hat kinda yesterday saying they wanted to do 2nd interviews and get someone hired possibly this week.

....and .... Jurecki says that Fassell is not coming here per his sources.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by PACardsFan
I know a lot of you guys would disagree, but Norv Turner might not be a bad choice.

I was thinking the same thing. Miami's offense has kind of been an enigma to me this season, though. It seemed a little pass-wacky, and that's not very Turner-like. Ricky Williams was not, in my opinion, used nearly enough. The guy can be effective even with 9 men in the box, but it seemed like they quit on him. This, I think, led to him "going back into his shell" as the season wore on. I don't follow Dolphins football that closely (anyone want that Ogubogulye guy as an RFA?), but that offense was a mess.

That being said, Turner would be an above-average fallback candidate. I'd rather see Heimerdinger get a chance, though.

 

[Lex]

Tango

This was in the Republic this morning.

www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/0106cards0106

The tip of the hand, is only that the two coordinators would not be free by the time we have said we'd make a decision.

That leaves us Fassel and Green. Not a bad thing.

Jurecki's opinion that Fassel is going to Buffalo, is based solely on the fact that Fassel still has a home in New Jersey. Jurecki somehow has ascertained that Fassel wants to KEEP this house in New Jersey. Jurecki thinks the 90 minute train ride, from New Jersey to Buffalo would make the Buffalo job appealing.

I wouldn't put much stock in Jurecki's opinion at this time. The Cardinals are talking about interviewing Fassel again on thursday.

FWIW ... Jim Fassel has owned 3 homes in Arizona since 1996.

 

[Red Fury]

Is it me or does Jurecki look like Herman Munster on the Atkins diet?

 

[ds512az]

Not to try and start an arguement here, but Jurecki did say that "according to his sources, Fassell is more than likely to be going to the Bills". And possibly a contract offer is already on the table.

At least that's what my ears heard driving down the 101.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I was thinking the same thing. Miami's offense has kind of been an enigma to me this season, though. It seemed a little pass-wacky, and that's not very Turner-like. Ricky Williams was not, in my opinion, used nearly enough. The guy can be effective even with 9 men in the box, but it seemed like they quit on him. This, I think, led to him "going back into his shell" as the season wore on. I don't follow Dolphins football that closely (anyone want that Ogubogulye guy as an RFA?), but that offense was a mess.

That being said, Turner would be an above-average fallback candidate. I'd rather see Heimerdinger get a chance, though.

Heimerdinger

You also have to remember that the Dolphins had severe oline problems this year. IMO, it's easier to pass more than run more when you have a weak oline (remember the Cards circa 1996?)

 

[EndZone]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
There's a BIG difference between saying:
"Jurecki said that Mike Bidwill tipped his hat kinda yesterday saying they wanted to do 2nd interviews and get someone hired possibly this week.

....and .... Jurecki says that Fassell is not coming here per his sources.

You are correct and Jurecki said the first.

 

[pinnacle]

I think Jurecki could be accurate on this.... we can argue all day on who said what and what all the rumors are....but I am in the camp that thinks Fassell is not that interested in the Cardinals.

Part of my theory (which is 100% speculation and may be incorrect) is that one of the most popular coaches in the NFL fraternity was Dave Mcginnis..obviously not the best coach - but I think he has alot of friends. I think alot of his buddies, etc. toe the line that Mcginnis is a great coach - i.e - not his fault the cardinals had a bad record...I think Fassel and Mac run in the same circles....you know Fassell is talking to all of his coaching buddies now...as is Mcginnis...I doubt any of them are saying: Go to arizona - it is a good opportunity. The consensus is probably the opposite among the coaching fraternity crowd...Rumors are that Fassel will look to Mac to be his DC wherever he is hired (except Arizona). I just think there is too much bad karma floating around Fassel for him to go to the Cardinals...

Right now I would prefer Fassell...but it does not look like it is in the Cards. I know Fassell said: people told me not to take the giants job..I did..so I do not listen to others..I think that is smokescreen...

Dennis Green - from what I understand - kind of a different guy who seems to be currently outside the coaching fraternity (or at least until he gets a new gig)..which is why he may end up here..

 

[EndZone]

Originally posted by pinnacle
I think Jurecki could be accurate on this.... we can argue all day on who said what and what all the rumors are....but I am in the camp that thinks Fassell is not that interested in the Cardinals.

Part of my theory (which is 100% speculation and may be incorrect) is that one of the most popular coaches in the NFL fraternity was Dave Mcginnis..obviously not the best coach - but I think he has alot of friends. I think alot of his buddies, etc. toe the line that Mcginnis is a great coach - i.e - not his fault the cardinals had a bad record...I think Fassel and Mac run in the same circles....you know Fassell is talking to all of his coaching buddies now...as is Mcginnis...I doubt any of them are saying: Go to arizona - it is a good opportunity. The consensus is probably the opposite among the coaching fraternity crowd...Rumors are that Fassel will look to Mac to be his DC wherever he is hired (except Arizona). I just think there is too much bad karma floating around Fassel for him to go to the Cardinals...

Right now I would prefer Fassell...but it does not look like it is in the Cards. I know Fassell said: people told me not to take the giants job..I did..so I do not listen to others..I think that is smokescreen...

Dennis Green - from what I understand - kind of a different guy who seems to be currently outside the coaching fraternity (or at least until he gets a new gig)..which is why he may end up here..

From what I had heard Fassell and the guy who got fired in Buffalo had good ties and that he was possibly going to be Fassells DC.

 

[pinnacle]

endzone...you could be correct...I think in general the NFL coaching crowd still thinks Buffalo is an average to above average organization and the Cardinals are still at the bottom (perception wise due to ownership).. winning will change all of this...

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by pinnacle
IPart of my theory (which is 100% speculation and may be incorrect) is that one of the most popular coaches in the NFL fraternity was Dave Mcginnis..obviously not the best coach - but I think he has alot of friends. I think alot of his buddies, etc. toe the line that Mcginnis is a great coach - i.e - not his fault the cardinals had a bad record...I think Fassel and Mac run in the same circles....you know Fassell is talking to all of his coaching buddies now...as is Mcginnis...I doubt any of them are saying: Go to arizona - it is a good opportunity. The consensus is probably the opposite among the coaching fraternity crowd...Rumors are that Fassel will look to Mac to be his DC wherever he is hired (except Arizona). I just think there is too much bad karma floating around Fassel for him to go to the Cardinals...

For the same reason that Mike Montgomery and the rest of the Pac 10 coaches all loved Steve Lavin and all hate Ben Howland now, they knew Lavin was a lousy coach and that if UCLA ever got a good coach, the sleeping giant would be awoken! They're taking their licks this year with Lavin's kids but Howland has a great recruiting class coming in, an equally great one forming for the next year and the rest of the Pac 10 is really wishing they'd not blown Lavin out so many times so he got fired.

Mac is a nice guy, very quotable(hence I haven't changed my sig quote yet) but the other coaches beat the crap out of his team year after year so they can't really believe he's THAT good?

 

[Cardinal Bob]

Re: Tango

Originally posted by Lex
Jurecki's opinion that Fassel is going to Buffalo, is based solely on the fact that Fassel still has a home in New Jersey. Jurecki somehow has ascertained that Fassel wants to KEEP this house in New Jersey. Jurecki thinks the 90 minute train ride, from New Jersey to Buffalo would make the Buffalo job appealing.

It's over 400 miles from Ho Ho Kus, NJ (where Fassel lives) to Buffalo, NY. No trains currently running in this area are gonna make it in 90 mins. Try 5-6 hours...each way.

 

[Brighteyes]

In listening to both Fassell and Green (in the press conferences), the impression I had was that Fassell was like a girl at the prom who'd suddenly discovered she was popular.

I think it soothed any ruffled feelings to have a Snyder jet across the country to talk to him before the Cardinals, and with other teams calling, he was ready to be dazzled on his 4 team (now 3 team) tour.

Green, on the other hand, came here ready to impress the Cardinals. He'd done his homework, and handled the press beautifully.

As a female who should theoretically be angry at any hint of sexual harrassment issues -- I admit I'd have signed Dennis Green on the spot.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Originally posted by Brighteyes
In listening to both Fassell and Green (in the press conferences), the impression I had was that Fassell was like a girl at the prom who'd suddenly discovered she was popular.

I think it soothed any ruffled feelings to have a Snyder jet across the country to talk to him before the Cardinals, and with other teams calling, he was ready to be dazzled on his 4 team (now 3 team) tour.

Green, on the other hand, came here ready to impress the Cardinals. He'd done his homework, and handled the press beautifully.

As a female who should theoretically be angry at any hint of sexual harrassment issues -- I admit I'd have signed Dennis Green on the spot.

Jo, I think you're the greatest. But in this case, I just have to do it.......

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by Brighteyes
Green, on the other hand, came here ready to impress the Cardinals. He'd done his homework, and handled the press beautifully.

As a female who should theoretically be angry at any hint of sexual harrassment issues -- I admit I'd have signed Dennis Green on the spot.

Thankfully, it seems that Denny Green had a 4 1/2 hour meeting with Al Davis yesterday, and will take that job. You're not the only one smitten with Mr. Green, Brighteyes; it seems like many on this board just can't resist a smooth-talker in a red polo.

God help the Oakland Raiders; God save the Arizona Cardinals.

 

[40yearfan]

Originally posted by Brighteyes
In listening to both Fassell and Green (in the press conferences), the impression I had was that Fassell was like a girl at the prom who'd suddenly discovered she was popular.

I think it soothed any ruffled feelings to have a Snyder jet across the country to talk to him before the Cardinals, and with other teams calling, he was ready to be dazzled on his 4 team (now 3 team) tour.

Green, on the other hand, came here ready to impress the Cardinals. He'd done his homework, and handled the press beautifully.

As a female who should theoretically be angry at any hint of sexual harrassment issues -- I admit I'd have signed Dennis Green on the spot.

Why not try him. It couldn't hurt.

Seriously though Jo, I agree with you. If we can't get Fassel, we have to get Green if for no other reason than to change the national perception and maybe entice a big name FA into the fold.

Besides, I also was very impressed with his interview.

 

[maddogkf]

Re: Tango

Originally posted by Lex
Jurecki's opinion that Fassel is going to Buffalo, is based solely on the fact that Fassel still has a home in New Jersey. Jurecki somehow has ascertained that Fassel wants to KEEP this house in New Jersey. Jurecki thinks the 90 minute train ride, from New Jersey to Buffalo would make the Buffalo job appealing.

It's like 6 hrs from Buffalo to NW New Jersey........

 

[Assface]

I'm not very impressed with Green. He doesn't run a very tight ship. In Minnesota the players were all fighting and he did nothing. With a veteran heavy team like Oakland he may be succesful but with a young team with a losing history like the Cards I don't see us getting any better with him.

I'd rather have a top coordinator or succesful college head coach than someone who's already been fired by someone else. There's absolutely no reason for us to be fisated on someone with previous NFL HC excperience. Marvin Lewis has had immediate success going from DC to HC. Dungy won quickly going from college to NFL. We didn't lose with Mac because he was an inexperinced HC, we lost becuase he isn't a very good coach. My number 1 choice is Lovie Smith. After that I'd like Crennell, Weis or Heimerdingy.

 

[JeffGollin]

West Coast Story on Green Interview

Read it and weep (2nd to last paragraph particularly interesting):
Dennis Green established himself as the clear front-runner for the Raiders' head-coaching vacancy on Monday after spending about 4 1/2 hours huddled with managing general partner Al Davis at the team's Alameda headquarters.

The former Stanford and Minnesota Vikings coach is the only candidate to have a face-to-face meeting with Davis. The Raiders' owner spoke at length to Chiefs offensive coordinator Al Saunders last week, but the discussion took place by telephone.

"It was a great chance for us to get together and talk about the head- coaching job here,'' Green, 54, told reporters as he left the Raiders' facility at about 6:30 p.m.

All the while, the departure of Raiders senior executive Bruce Allen appears imminent. The team's salary-cap expert -- who was largely responsible for assembling the roster that reached the Super Bowl last year, as well as expertly manipulating the Raiders' bulging payroll to slide under the cap in 2003 -- all but said his goodbyes at the team's headquarters Monday.

Though Allen has not officially resigned, he is expected to assume the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' general-manager job vacated by the departure of Rich McKay to Atlanta. Allen, NFL sources told The Chronicle, was not even in the building Monday when Davis spoke to Green, but instead attended practices at SBC Park for Saturday's East-West Shrine game.

Allen, who interviewed with the Bucs last week in Palm Beach, Fla., and worked closely with coach Jon Gruden for four seasons in Oakland, likely will take highly regarded personnel director Mike Lombardi with him, a defection that seriously will compromise the Raiders' ability to reload after a 4-12 finish in 2003.

"It's pretty much a fait accompli,'' an NFL source said of Allen's departure from the Raiders after nine seasons. An official announcement, NFL sources say, could come as early as today.

That sort of uncertainty in the front office -- "It's pretty chaotic here right now; no one knows who's coming or going anymore,'' one Raiders employee said Monday -- makes the choice of Green even more ideal. His record of 101-70 with the Vikings, including four NFC Central crowns, reflects his coaching acumen.

Better still, Green has demonstrated an ability to handle difficult players such as wide receivers Randy Moss and Cris Carter, a skill that former coach Bill Callahan clearly lacked when members of his team openly declared mutiny by midseason.

"That organization is really in flux right now,'' an NFL executive told The Chronicle, "and (Green) can bring a lot of stability to that place.''

Bill Walsh certainly agrees.

"Denny Green comes very highly recommended, and not just by me,'' said Walsh, who had Green on his 49ers staff and has been campaigning to get his good friend back in the NFL head-coaching ranks for the past two years.

Walsh said Monday he has spoken to Davis, another close friend, about the current crop of coaching candidates vying for the vacancy created by Callahan's dismissal last week after two seasons. Green remains Walsh's clear No. 1.

"He'd be a tremendous choice,'' said Walsh, stressing that he is not a Raiders employee of any kind.

Nor does he expect to be, contrary to various reports that have the longtime NFL executive acting as either a paid consultant to the Raiders or lobbying for the coaching job himself. "I'm not being paid, if that's what you mean,'' Walsh said with a laugh. "Al and I talk frequently. We have a good relationship. All I've done is express my opinion about a few things."

Green, who already has interviewed with the Redskins and Cardinals, is said to be intrigued by the opportunities in Arizona, an underachieving team that is well under the salary-cap limit for 2004 and has a new stadium in the works. Nevertheless, his heart clearly lies with the Raiders, even though Davis chose Art Shell, not Green, to be head coach in 1988.

"Everybody knows how I feel about the Raiders,'' Green said Monday. "I think Al Davis is going to hire the guy who he feels is going to give the Raiders the greatest chance to be Super Bowl champions. I would not be here if I didn't think I could do that.''

 

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[D-Dogg]

Originally posted by Assface
I'm not very impressed with Green. He doesn't run a very tight ship. In Minnesota the players were all fighting and he did nothing. With a veteran heavy team like Oakland he may be succesful but with a young team with a losing history like the Cards I don't see us getting any better with him.

I'd rather have a top coordinator or succesful college head coach than someone who's already been fired by someone else. There's absolutely no reason for us to be fisated on someone with previous NFL HC excperience. Marvin Lewis has had immediate success going from DC to HC. Dungy won quickly going from college to NFL. We didn't lose with Mac because he was an inexperinced HC, we lost becuase he isn't a very good coach. My number 1 choice is Lovie Smith. After that I'd like Crennell, Weis or Heimerdingy.

Dungy was an assistant under Green...he didn't come from the college ranks.

Name me someone other than Jimmy Johnson that came straight from college to the pros and had a lot of success.

DO NOT sign a college coach...the games and the personell issues are simply too different.

 

[jf-08]

Originally posted by D-Dogg
Dungy was an assistant under Green...he didn't come from the college ranks.

Name me someone other than Jimmy Johnson that came straight from college to the pros and had a lot of success.

DO NOT sign a college coach...the games and the personell issues are simply too different.

I'd hire Saban immediately if he were interested.

:from his bio:

Saban's background in football is rich and varied. He coached in the NFL under Bill Belichick at Cleveland and under Jerry Glanville at Houston. He is a protege of George Perles at Michigan State and Earle Bruce at Ohio State. He got his start under venerable Washington coach Don James as a graduate assistant at Kent State.

"No-nonsense" is one description of his style of coaching, but consistent and exacting might be more precise. "Hard work" can be attached to any successful program, but also working smart is a trademark of Saban coached teams. The keys to Saban's success are founded on aggressive and disciplined leadership and a philosophy of personal responsibility both on the football field and in the classroom.

"Basically, if anybody doesn't want to work hard or be committed to the way he's committed, then they're going to have a problem with him," said Belichick, coach of the Super Bowl Champion New England Patriots. "Now, if they like to work, they won't have any problems at all."

Saban is a communicator who gets the best out of his players, a coach who can guarantee that a player willing to dedicate himself to the program will maximize his talents.

"Instead of looking at the overall picture, he gives his players something they can really lash their teeth into, which allows them to play more aggressively," said Dean Pees, the head coach at Kent State who served as a defensive coordinator under Saban. "There are a lot of guys who can draw up defenses in the dirt and draw X's and O's. The question is what little things can you find to help each player play his position? That's one thing Nick is good at."

Saban has a career win-loss record of 69-38-1 for a winning percentage of .650, a total that includes five years as head coach at Michigan State (1995-99), three seasons at LSU and one year at Toledo (1990). He also has extensive experience in the NFL, having coached the secondary of the Houston Oilers for two seasons (1988-89) and having served as defensive coordinator for the Cleveland Browns for four seasons (1991-94).

During his five-year tenure as head coach at Michigan State, Saban tutored four first-team All-Americans and 10 NFL draft picks.

The 51-year-old Saban returned to Michigan State following four seasons as the Cleveland Browns' defensive coordinator from 1991-94. The Browns went from allowing the most points in the NFL prior to Saban's arrival to allowing the fewest points in 1994. His defensive unit allowed a league-low 21 touchdowns and 204 points in 1994, the sixth-fewest points surrendered in NFL history at the time.

Saban previously served as head coach at the University of Toledo where he guided the Rockets to a 9-2 overall record in 1990, including a share of the Mid-America Conference title at 7-1. The Rockets ranked among the NCAA leaders in both total defense (12th at 284.8 yards) and scoring defense (16th at 16.2 points). In his rookie season as a head coach, Toledo missed posting an undefeated record by only five points.

He began his first stint in the NFL with the Houston Oilers as the secondary coach from 1988-89. The Oilers ranked among the AFC leaders in interceptions in both 1988 (tied for second with 22) and 1989 (fourth with 21).

As secondary coach and defensive coordinator, Saban played an integral part in helping Michigan State to three postseason bowl appearances from 1983-87, including a Big Ten championship in 1987 and a 20-17 triumph over Southern California in the 1988 Rose Bowl. The Spartans led the nation in rushing defense in 1987, allowing only 61.2 yards per game, and ranked second in scoring defense, permitting 12.4 points.

His college coaching credits also include stops at the U.S. Naval Academy (1982), Ohio State (1980-81), West Virginia (1978-79), Syracuse (1977) and Kent State (1975-76). While coaching the secondary at Ohio State, he helped produce four NFL draft choices.

He began his coaching career in 1973 as a graduate assistant at his alma mater Kent State. A defensive back for the Golden Flashes from 1970-72, Saban played in the 1972 Tangerine Bowl against Tampa. He also picked up two letters as a shortstop on the Kent State baseball team.

Born Oct. 31, 1951, in Fairmont, W.Va., Saban earned his bachelor's degree in business from Kent State in 1973 and his master's in sports administration in 1975. Saban, who is an avid golfer, co-authored "Tiger Turnaround" in 2001, a 128-page book documenting his first two years in Baton Rouge.

He and his wife, the former Terry Constable of Fairmont, W. Va., have two children, Nicholas and Kristen.

 

[danny l]

Uh.....Don Coryell.

 

[CT Card Fan]

Originally posted by 40yearfan
Why not try him. It couldn't hurt.

Seriously though Jo, I agree with you. If we can't get Fassel, we have to get Green if for no other reason than to change the national perception and maybe entice a big name FA into the fold.

Besides, I also was very impressed with his interview.

Other teams have hired coordinators that have been successful. Fassell himself was one. Fox in Carolina, Dungy in TB, Lewis in Cincy. If we get someone considered to be a good candidate as a coordinator, the perception won't be too different than what it is now. If we hire an "unknown" type rather than a "hot" coordinator, that could be more of an issue.

Clayton on ESPN radio this morning made a crack that if the Cards made an offer and Green would be insulted by it, then he might not come here (prior to the Raiders news on Green obviously). We paid for Buddy. I think we got Mac, not because we were trying to be cheap, but because Mac's a good talker. He went 1 and whatever with Tobin's team, but with all of his positive talk, I think he was able to convince people he could turn it around. So, the Cards bought in and gave it a shot.

So, I don't think we have to have Fassell or Green. As long as it's someone on the radar screen, we can be OK. Only winning will change the overall perception. See Cincy and Carolina. Lewis and Fox were generally seen as good hires I believe (Lewis for sure) but there were still doubts until they actually did turn it around. Same would be true here. The right guy can attract FA's, and turn things around, even if he hasn't been a head coach before.