Game 6 Impressions: Seahawks 22 Cardinals 10

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I think we all feared this outcome, especially after hearing that Whiz basically dealt away the bye week, despite having a totally wet behind the ears rookie at QB and and so many glaring areas to improve.

Let me ask this. The players get the week off for beating the Saints. That was the deal. What do they get this week for the clunker they gift wrapped for the Seahawks this week?

No cancelled practice for bowling this week?

We saw so many boneheaded plays in this game, and yet it was still a game until the defense quit in the 4th quarter.

Rather than dwell on the mistakes...why don't we just open a suggestion box. I will provide my suggestions, and feel free to do the same. WE DO THIS TOGETHER, right?

QB:

As surprised as I was that Max Hall was so mentally weak in this game, I bet you no one is more surprised that Hall himself.

That said, this is a young man who is not physically ready to perform week after week in the NFL...not just yet.

He needs a whole Lotta Love..as in...John Lott.

Right now, what he may be able to do is come in off the bench in an uptempo offense and provide a temporary spark.

The problem is...Derek Anderson confessed during the bye week that he has been suffering internal bleeding. Not good.

Do we finally understand why Kurt Warner retired?

While yes there are talented WRs to throw the ball to in Arizona...but the way the offense is coached, the QB has to endure shot after shot after shot and hang in there until the last second to make plays...only to take another straight on shot or side slammer.

Being the QB in Arizona is sexy with a caveat...kind of like dating a Super Model, only she has halitosis.

Neither Derek Anderson nor Max Hall is going to hold up physcially in this offense.

And let's end the debate right now...neither would Matt Leinart.

So many of us fans at ASFN have been clamoring since last February for the Cardinals to make some big move at QB...and now we are vindicated.

If the Cardinals do not sign another QB this week, their team management deserves to be fired, including the head coach.

It should have happened before the trading deadline.

And it certainly should have happened during the bye week.

With the MASH unit that is to become of the QBs in this system, a 4th QB is imperative. Waive WR Max Komar and re-sign him to the PS.

RB:

You just can't trust either one of these guys. You can't. They break your hearts. THT runs so hard...you want to love him...but he put the ball on the ground at the WORST time in this game...and he blew this football game...certainly not alone...but he & Roberts blew it the most. Fluffing his hair on the sideline doesn't cut it. He's been there, done that and bought the t-shirt too often on this one. Beanie too. Beanie runs too high and he tiptoes. He plays half-tough, half-scared. And even worse, he fumbles.

LSH is a winner.

WTF is Jason Wright doing trying to intercept a bouncing kickoff headed right to LSH?

Wright's a solid ST player but he does not do enough to warrant a roster spot.

I say bring is a vet like Willie Parker. Get some leadership for THT and Beanie, and a guy you can count on to run hard and hold onto the ball.

FB: Maui'a...good on STs...is he improving at FB? Hard to tell.

OL: These guys are so bad in pass pro...it's a joke. Either they miss their assignments or they get out-run, out-quicked, out-hustled, out-scratched.

They open some holes...but other than that, they are flat-out losers, and they deserve to lose. No QB would want to play for these jokers. Go ahead take last week off guys, and oh, BTW, thanks for taking this week off too.

Russ Grimm, imo, should have been fired after he was watching Bruce Springsteen at the half-time show of the Super Bowl rather than being in the locker room to prep his guys for the 2nd half. I bet you this, Ol' Russ had a fun week off.

WR: Fitz morphed into Super WR two years ago and now he's a Super Diva. His attitude sucks. And with the soft coaches around him now...no more Haley to scream at him...he's turned into a soft wedge of brie.

Breaston...might well be the team offensive MVP if he can suit up. Looks like this may be an uneventful, injury-riddled, wasted year before he gets signed by Todd Haley to a mega-million dollar deal.

The rest...young, injury prone, erratic.

Although, take away Roberts' one EGREGIOUS gaffe...he had a very good game. Let's give him that...and he is a rookie, albeit an ill-prepared punt returner.

TE: Patrick has talent...but the coaches and he himself can't put it to use. Fail-fail on both accounts. Spach wouldn't make any other roster. Dray plays with purpose and attitude, despite limitations. Great block he made on the LSH KO return.

NT: Total joke. Waste of a starter who is too old, slow and can't run and a 1st rounder who apparently is too fat and under-motivated. Anyone see the 4th rounder from 2006 out there? He's toast.

DE: Branch is suddenly the most physcial DE on the roster. That tells you that Dockett has been like the team, he plays when he wants to...and that Campbell (who played his best game today) has been underachieving in general. But, Branch has been physical and determined. Think the coaches will start him? No Fn way. Plus, get the feeling some othe team is going to cash in on Branch next year?

ILB: Daryl Washington was a man out there today (we finally have an ILB who has a forward gear!...and yet, he may get benched for Hayes this week, if you can believe that...watch, it's likely going to happen) and Paris Lenon has been playing his heart out. These guys are not the problem.

OLB: These guys are the problem. They have hit a wall. They can't run. They are good for about three plays a game.

You know who should play in Porter's spot? Adrian Wilson. He can still run and he's more sudden and fierce on the edge than Porter. Porter might be able to be good at Berry's old role...fresh legs may get him occasionally close to the QB without it being a coverage sack.

Look at the Seahawks on the edge today. Look at the Cardinals. They killed us. Easily. No contest. And they aren't really that great, if the truth be told, which is why they double the edge with their safeties to ensure more pressure. At least their coaches understand this. Did they ever loosen the pressure in this game?

We have to hope that O'Brien Schofield is the real deal, because he's the only real hope for the future, unless miraculously, Will Davis' light goes on. He looks like a decent run defender, but he's got no edge game about him otherwise.

CB: Greg Toler is the best CB on the team and one of the team's best seven players. DRC is not. DRC is more a part of the problem than the solution. He's All-World physically...and All-Vacuum mentally....and that's an insult to Hoovers everywhere.

I saw it and many of you did last week...YOU CANNOT PLAY MIKE WILLIAMS WITH CUSHION. YOU CAN'T. At least Toler battled him...DRC gave him the spots and easy catches, save the great back shoulder snag he made.

S: Rhodes is the defensive MVP thus far. By far the most consistent and disciplined, right-place, right-time player. Wilson is a lost man in a lost world. He should be in a position to lead this team in tackles and sacks...instead he's a man without a position.

K/P/LS: Pretty good all-around, save some recent broken in half Graham Crackers.

Whiz:

Really over his head now as a head coach without Warner bailing him out. He's bascially playing cat and mouse with the players...and it remains very clear, the players only play when they want to...and when they do not want to, it can get very ugly, very fast. Basically, Whiz has about as much infuence on his players as a run of the mill NBA coach.

Davis:

Would not even be a DC on a decent college team. Has no sense of how to put the pedal to the metal. Like today...just when the offense gets a spark, his defense starts to play bend and then starts to quit. This was a game they could have dominated...especially versus the Seahawks' inferior o-line, which was made all the more inferior when Russell Okung was KOed in the 1st quarter.

Spencer:

Top flight ST coordinator...but...having already watched Andre Roberts catch a punt at the two yard line and muff other punts, you would think Spencer would have coached him to fall on a muffed punt. The blame needs to be shared for that one, sorry to say. Or get another player in there.

GM/Ownership

Best at saving or pinching money in the NFL. Too bad their dream of paying their QB $300K for the next four years took a hit today. But...this week's memo to Whiz, may be..."stick with Max. Good for PR."
 
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Good points Mitch...

- Who should the Cards go after when you say they should "bring in another QB this week?"

- You summed up our RB's perfectly!! Man they can rip your heart us! Can't believe Beanie is still running so upright... Do the coaches see what we see??

- You're off of Fitz. His attitude is not a problem at all. In fact, I wish the rest of the team had his attitude. He only wants to win, period. And for a guy like him, it has to be infuriating to not have a QB who can deliver the damn ball!!

- DRC remains a PUNK! My distaste for this PUNK grows with each passing week... How many offsides today for him?? How many times did he allow a 3rd down conversion today?? Mike Williams, who wasn't even in the league last season, literally toyed with DRC today. What a joke...

- Branch and Campbell came to play today. Very encouraging to see.

- As has been said week after week, Haggans and Porter are shot. They're firing blanks and it's killing us.

So furstrating... the west has never been so easy to win. Ugghhhh....
 

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Beanie has done a lot better in ball protection IMO. Hightower seems to be getting worse. He did a heck of a job running the ball, but can't hang on.
 

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As usual, Mitch, you nailed pretty much everything. Personally, I can't figure out what is going on with Fitz. Something? Nothing? Everything? Care to explain your conclusion that he's become a "Super Diva"? Evidence? Not busting you on this but I'd like to know what you see to explain you're opinion vs. 82's conclusion. (Which I tend to agree with more.)
 

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Mitch, you're mad and frustrated and that's cool.

But we're three and three in maybe the worst division in the history of football. We have maybe a 50/50 shot at three-peating.

The oline looked better today, and the defense kept us in the game by forcing SEA to go for like five field goals.

Whiz is the only coach to take this team to the superbowl, and at 3-3 after back to back division crowns, it's not time to indite him yet.

The problem is the QB position. You write whatever scathing diatribe you want about the FO and Whiz related to this position, and I'll sign off on it.

The way the QB situation was handled this offseason was criminal. CRIMINAL!!!
 

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Wilson's loss of effectiveness is probably more related to Davis and his mediocrity as DC than anything else.

We have a hell of a defensive unit available - old timers and all, but Davis can only deliver mediocre results. So I tend to agree with you that he is college level at coordination - where talent predicts a good level of success.

Pendy was a good planner and good at using player's strength, terrible adapter; Davis seems smart, but maybe just coaching smart and not really aware of putting players in the best position to succeed. I hope we go another direction next year.

Don't really agree with the Fitz comments at all.
 

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Lots of good stuff, particularly in regards to the Qbs, RBs, and Oline..

I'm not gonna knock the defense today. I may be the only one, but I think Joey Porter has played well the last two weeks.. Should not be playing every down, but still I think he's been playing better.

ILB are good. You are right now about Toler. He's been our most consistent performer, with Rhodes, this year.

Wilson isn't being utilized properly. He's been a non-factor in the majority of games this season.

Billy Davis is still terrible.
 

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Wilson's loss of effectiveness is probably more related to Davis and his mediocrity as DC than anything else.

We have a hell of a defensive unit available - old timers and all, but Davis can only deliver mediocre results. So I tend to agree with you that he is college level at coordination - where talent predicts a good level of success.

Pendy was a good planner and good at using player's strength, terrible adapter; Davis seems smart, but maybe just coaching smart and not really aware of putting players in the best position to succeed. I hope we go another direction next year.

Don't really agree with the Fitz comments at all.

I'm not sure why people are complaining about Billy Davis. The defense played well enough to win here. They threw up their hands when they'd been on the field forever without getting any support from the offense.

It's not the defense who turned the ball over 5 times. It was the defense who held the Seattle Seahawks to 6(!) field goals. Billy Davis had a good game plan. His colleagues in the offensive meeting rooms let him down.
 

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I'm not sure why people are complaining about Billy Davis. The defense played well enough to win here. They threw up their hands when they'd been on the field forever without getting any support from the offense.

It's not the defense who turned the ball over 5 times. It was the defense who held the Seattle Seahawks to 6(!) field goals. Billy Davis had a good game plan. His colleagues in the offensive meeting rooms let him down.

Very true. Some sacks and a fumble recovery to go with some very good play in the redzone. DRC was a fool but the D more than held up its end. The offense and special teams were a nightmare.
 
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As usual, Mitch, you nailed pretty much everything. Personally, I can't figure out what is going on with Fitz. Something? Nothing? Everything? Care to explain your conclusion that he's become a "Super Diva"? Evidence? Not busting you on this but I'd like to know what you see to explain you're opinion vs. 82's conclusion. (Which I tend to agree with more.)

Dems...thus far this year (not just today) seems like every time a pass is thrown in Fitz's direction and he doesn't make the catch, he's either mad at the official for not throwing a flag, or he's pouting in disgust at the throw...like he was when Hall overthrew him. In baseball, pitchers don't try to show up their teammates when they make an error. I don't like what Fitz is doing...and quite frankly, had Fitz shielded the CB better (the way Mike Williams did all day) and done his job better he would have caught the best pass Hall threw to him on the slant on 3rd and long.

Fitz did say after the game that he didn't play well. That's good. This team needs his leadership.
 

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The scary thing about the situation we are in going forward is that we do not have a lot of talent to build upon. We had always heard how the team was full of young talent and would need time to jel. Instead, we lose a lot of those young players and replace them with old has-beens and undrafted rookies. This team is not headed upward. We look at the talent we have:

QB: Zero

RB: Two fumble prone players

WR: Fitz & Breaston. Fitz is gone after his deal is up. We need to come to terms with this and trade him while we can get something rather than watching him leave.

TE: Meh...

OL: Duece, who has earned, but not received an extension. Other than that, we are under-talented.

Safety: We're good here for a few years, need backups.

CB: Two "good" players... Sometimes. And a lot of nobodies.

LB: OLD!!!!! We have Washington.

DE: CC is regressing, Branch is gone, 9-0 got paid so why should he care?

So. Next year, two years from now... What do we have to build on? Management has shown that the only FA's they target are former Steelers who are three years past their primes. The draft is so hit and miss that we can't rely on that.

We're headed in the wrong direction.
 

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The scary thing about the situation we are in going forward is that we do not have a lot of talent to build upon. We had always heard how the team was full of young talent and would need time to jel. Instead, we lose a lot of those young players and replace them with old has-beens and undrafted rookies. This team is not headed upward. We look at the talent we have:

QB: Zero

RB: Two fumble prone players

WR: Fitz & Breaston. Fitz is gone after his deal is up. We need to come to terms with this and trade him while we can get something rather than watching him leave.

TE: Meh...

OL: Duece, who has earned, but not received an extension. Other than that, we are under-talented.

Safety: We're good here for a few years, need backups.

CB: Two "good" players... Sometimes. And a lot of nobodies.

LB: OLD!!!!! We have Washington.

DE: CC is regressing, Branch is gone, 9-0 got paid so why should he care?

So. Next year, two years from now... What do we have to build on? Management has shown that the only FA's they target are former Steelers who are three years past their primes. The draft is so hit and miss that we can't rely on that.

We're headed in the wrong direction.

I agree.

But many here,just like the FO & coaches will failto accept the fact we're in deep poo. We have so many players that will be FA's after this season that it's sickening.
 

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Is my opinion welcomed? really?
it hasn't changed, just solidified. I am a positive fan, when appropriate.

Matt Leinart would have rocked this season, I can't prove it but I still have him evaluated as a borderline elite QB(90 out of 100). evidenced by his preseason, no game plan performance of 7-8, 4-6, 9-10 under this kind of pressure or worse! cutting Matt with these qB's on the roster is the stupidest NFL personell decision I've ever witnessed!

DA is the worse starter in the NFL or a top back up(70 ot of 100). He needs the running game established to be effective, all QB's do! He showed no touch again, when he tried it sailed. When threw the hardball it bounced off receivers. nuthin new.

minimus Hall is years away from developing into a NFL qualty back up (50 out of 100).

Skelton is a (70 out of 100) He starts at where DA is but Skelton has upside. DA is what He is. Skelton has a great chance to develope into a 80+ functional average NFL starter by the playoffs. watch the sports science pre draft show featuring John Skelton for more information. His measurables and upside may allow him to develope into an elie qB.
 

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Man Beanie lost 2 fumbles in a 179 carries last year and how many this year? 1? THT is being put in a bad place starting. He sucked as a starter and continues to suck as a starting featured RB.

THT has 3 -100 yard games in 31 or so starts? I know what I'm watching, I don't have a clue what others are watching. THT's best games were coming in after Edge softened them up! the 4th down for the playoff first down, the game winning TD, the actuall wins in 2008, Edge softened them up and THT came in with fresh legs.

So The Bean needs to start and stay in and bruise the defense, set them up for the change up later on in the game. slowly Whiz is giving him carries but we only had 20 run plays to what 35 or more pass plays again?

Its just fundementally sound football, Seattle was balanced and kicked our AZ without Monkeys flying out their AZ, they just waited for our 5 turnovers and read the note" these cardinals will self destruct in 5 minutes" poof!

We need to Start the Bean and let him establish the run and the play action. increase the volume of offensive plays, and not have to play from behind. WE were only 3 behind until the Roberts muff.

evidenced by 37+ TOP minutes for seattle
 

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I'm not sure why people are complaining about Billy Davis. The defense played well enough to win here. They threw up their hands when they'd been on the field forever without getting any support from the offense.

It's not the defense who turned the ball over 5 times. It was the defense who held the Seattle Seahawks to 6(!) field goals. Billy Davis had a good game plan. His colleagues in the offensive meeting rooms let him down.

Yeah, I was going to say that too, the brightside is the defense has played MUCH better the last 2 games. Offense has let us down.

We continue to have that issue though when we really need a play, we can't make on either side of the ball. DA moves the team down into the redzone and then can't complete a pass. The one good throw he makes, Doucet drops.

We have them pinned in and DRC goes for the picksix giving up a nice catch and run to Butler.

We have them 3rd down several times and they either get it because DRC is too far off Williams, or because Toler misses the tackle on Forsett.

and while I get the crowd is loud and DRC is good at blocking kicks, he was called offsides 3 times and I think he actually got away with another one.

Frustrating. But you can understand the defense letting up a bit the way the offense let them down.

We actually ran for over 100 yards in just 20 carries but Tim's fumble killed his day and because we didn't get a TD on that drive where Doucet had the big drop, we had to basically abandon the run after that.
 

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Yeah, I was going to say that too, the brightside is the defense has played MUCH better the last 2 games. Offense has let us down.

We continue to have that issue though when we really need a play, we can't make on either side of the ball. DA moves the team down into the redzone and then can't complete a pass. The one good throw he makes, Doucet drops.

We have them pinned in and DRC goes for the picksix giving up a nice catch and run to Butler.

We have them 3rd down several times and they either get it because DRC is too far off Williams, or because Toler misses the tackle on Forsett.

and while I get the crowd is loud and DRC is good at blocking kicks, he was called offsides 3 times and I think he actually got away with another one.

Frustrating. But you can understand the defense letting up a bit the way the offense let them down.

We actually ran for over 100 yards in just 20 carries but Tim's fumble killed his day and because we didn't get a TD on that drive where Doucet had the big drop, we had to basically abandon the run after that.

That ball came out hot. Travelled maybe 8 yards and was (in all probability) thrown like it was a 17-yard deep out.

If your defense can hold a team to field goals on the road, that's a victory. I'm sorry, but this was never going to be the 1985 Bears, 2000 Ravens, or 2010 Steelers defense. Any time the defense holds an opponent under 21 points, that should be enough to win on any team in the NFL.

The killer was the offsides penalty that lead to a new set of downs, because that ran too much time off the clock to keep running the offense.

I was surprised that Billick kept harping on Beanie's ball security issues. He mentioned it four or five times during the broadcast. I assume that Coach explained that's why Beanie's not getting more carries. Beanie has 1 fumble this season and it wasn't lost. He's clearly the better runner right now. It's time for him to be given the starting job.
 

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I think we all feared this outcome, especially after hearing that Whiz basically dealt away the bye week, despite having a totally wet behind the ears rookie at QB and and so many glaring areas to improve.

Let me ask this. The players get the week off for beating the Saints. That was the deal. What do they get this week for the clunker they gift wrapped for the Seahawks this week?

No cancelled practice for bowling this week?

We saw so many boneheaded plays in this game, and yet it was still a game until the defense quit in the 4th quarter.

Rather than dwell on the mistakes...why don't we just open a suggestion box. I will provide my suggestions, and feel free to do the same. WE DO THIS TOGETHER, right?

QB:

As surprised as I was that Max Hall was so mentally weak in this game, I bet you no one is more surprised that Hall himself.

That said, this is a young man who is not physically ready to perform week after week in the NFL...not just yet.

He needs a whole Lotta Love..as in...John Lott.

Right now, what he may be able to do is come in off the bench in an uptempo offense and provide a temporary spark.

The problem is...Derek Anderson confessed during the bye week that he has been suffering internal bleeding. Not good.

Do we finally understand why Kurt Warner retired?

While yes there are talented WRs to throw the ball to in Arizona...but the way the offense is coached, the QB has to endure shot after shot after shot and hang in there until the last second to make plays...only to take another straight on shot or side slammer.

Being the QB in Arizona is sexy with a caveat...kind of like dating a Super Model, only she has halitosis.

Neither Derek Anderson nor Max Hall is going to hold up physcially in this offense.

And let's end the debate right now...neither would Matt Leinart.

So many of us fans at ASFN have been clamoring since last February for the Cardinals to make some big move at QB...and now we are vindicated.

If the Cardinals do not sign another QB this week, their team management deserves to be fired, including the head coach.

It should have happened before the trading deadline.

And it certainly should have happened during the bye week.

With the MASH unit that is to become of the QBs in this system, a 4th QB is imperative. Waive WR Max Komar and re-sign him to the PS.

RB:

You just can't trust either one of these guys. You can't. They break your hearts. THT runs so hard...you want to love him...but he put the ball on the ground at the WORST time in this game...and he blew this football game...certainly not alone...but he & Roberts blew it the most. Fluffing his hair on the sideline doesn't cut it. He's been there, done that and bought the t-shirt too often on this one. Beanie too. Beanie runs too high and he tiptoes. He plays half-tough, half-scared. And even worse, he fumbles.

LSH is a winner.

WTF is Jason Wright doing trying to intercept a bouncing kickoff headed right to LSH?

Wright's a solid ST player but he does not do enough to warrant a roster spot.

I say bring is a vet like Willie Parker. Get some leadership for THT and Beanie, and a guy you can count on to run hard and hold onto the ball.

FB: Maui'a...good on STs...is he improving at FB? Hard to tell.

OL: These guys are so bad in pass pro...it's a joke. Either they miss their assignments or they get out-run, out-quicked, out-hustled, out-scratched.

They open some holes...but other than that, they are flat-out losers, and they deserve to lose. No QB would want to play for these jokers. Go ahead take last week off guys, and oh, BTW, thanks for taking this week off too.

Russ Grimm, imo, should have been fired after he was watching Bruce Springsteen at the half-time show of the Super Bowl rather than being in the locker room to prep his guys for the 2nd half. I bet you this, Ol' Russ had a fun week off.

WR: Fitz morphed into Super WR two years ago and now he's a Super Diva. His attitude sucks. And with the soft coaches around him now...no more Haley to scream at him...he's turned into a soft wedge of brie.

Breaston...might well be the team offensive MVP if he can suit up. Looks like this may be an uneventful, injury-riddled, wasted year before he gets signed by Todd Haley to a mega-million dollar deal.

The rest...young, injury prone, erratic.

Although, take away Roberts' one EGREGIOUS gaffe...he had a very good game. Let's give him that...and he is a rookie, albeit an ill-prepared punt returner.

TE: Patrick has talent...but the coaches and he himself can't put it to use. Fail-fail on both accounts. Spach wouldn't make any other roster. Dray plays with purpose and attitude, despite limitations. Great block he made on the LSH KO return.

NT: Total joke. Waste of a starter who is too old, slow and can't run and a 1st rounder who apparently is too fat and under-motivated. Anyone see the 4th rounder from 2006 out there? He's toast.

DE: Branch is suddenly the most physcial DE on the roster. That tells you that Dockett has been like the team, he plays when he wants to...and that Campbell (who played his best game today) has been underachieving in general. But, Branch has been physical and determined. Think the coaches will start him? No Fn way. Plus, get the feeling some othe team is going to cash in on Branch next year?

ILB: Daryl Washington was a man out there today (we finally have an ILB who has a forward gear!...and yet, he may get benched for Hayes this week, if you can believe that...watch, it's likely going to happen) and Paris Lenon has been playing his heart out. These guys are not the problem.

OLB: These guys are the problem. They have hit a wall. They can't run. They are good for about three plays a game.

You know who should play in Porter's spot? Adrian Wilson. He can still run and he's more sudden and fierce on the edge than Porter. Porter might be able to be good at Berry's old role...fresh legs may get him occasionally close to the QB without it being a coverage sack.

Look at the Seahawks on the edge today. Look at the Cardinals. They killed us. Easily. No contest. And they aren't really that great, if the truth be told, which is why they double the edge with their safeties to ensure more pressure. At least their coaches understand this. Did they ever loosen the pressure in this game?

We have to hope that O'Brien Schofield is the real deal, because he's the only real hope for the future, unless miraculously, Will Davis' light goes on. He looks like a decent run defender, but he's got no edge game about him otherwise.

CB: Greg Toler is the best CB on the team and one of the team's best seven players. DRC is not. DRC is more a part of the problem than the solution. He's All-World physically...and All-Vacuum mentally....and that's an insult to Hoovers everywhere.

I saw it and many of you did last week...YOU CANNOT PLAY MIKE WILLIAMS WITH CUSHION. YOU CAN'T. At least Toler battled him...DRC gave him the spots and easy catches, save the great back shoulder snag he made.

S: Rhodes is the defensive MVP thus far. By far the most consistent and disciplined, right-place, right-time player. Wilson is a lost man in a lost world. He should be in a position to lead this team in tackles and sacks...instead he's a man without a position.

K/P/LS: Pretty good all-around, save some recent broken in half Graham Crackers.

Whiz:

Really over his head now as a head coach without Warner bailing him out. He's bascially playing cat and mouse with the players...and it remains very clear, the players only play when they want to...and when they do not want to, it can get very ugly, very fast. Basically, Whiz has about as much infuence on his players as a run of the mill NBA coach.

Davis:

Would not even be a DC on a decent college team. Has no sense of how to put the pedal to the metal. Like today...just when the offense gets a spark, his defense starts to play bend and then starts to quit. This was a game they could have dominated...especially versus the Seahawks' inferior o-line, which was made all the more inferior when Russell Okung was KOed in the 1st quarter.

Spencer:

Top flight ST coordinator...but...having already watched Andre Roberts catch a punt at the two yard line and muff other punts, you would think Spencer would have coached him to fall on a muffed punt. The blame needs to be shared for that one, sorry to say. Or get another player in there.

GM/Ownership

Best at saving or pinching money in the NFL. Too bad their dream of paying their QB $300K for the next four years took a hit today. But...this week's memo to Whiz, may be..."stick with Max. Good for PR."

Really should have waited awhile before posting off of emotion. I disagree with so much of this I won't go into detail.

I'm very dissapointed in the play of several players this game. Hall, Toller, DRC, THT, Roberts are the biggest let downs.

This D played well to great for most of the game. I would love to see them play a complete 4 quarters at some point.

The biggest issue with this team is at QB. DA looked good for a series or two. Hall looked like a UDFA rookie whose puppy just died.
 

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I am not on the doom and gloom bandwagon that you are, but we do have glaring problems.

1-No offensive identity. Maybe this is because we don't have a QB, but I can't really say what it is that we do on offense, which is a problem. We really need to develop something on offense that we can hang our hat on. This is where I think that we miss an offensive coordinator.

2-No QB. When your vet QB makes rookie mistakes and your accurate rookie QB is inaccurate, you have issues. More frustrating is that neither of these guys can get the ball to our best player.

3-No outside pass rushers. This hurts more than it seems because it allows the interior linemen to be held on almost every down. From what I can tell, unless it is done in space, holding will not be called on defensive linemen. So, because we don't have someone to rush outside, d linemen are getting bottled up and held.

4-Poor execution/stupid plays. Plays by Roberts, Wright, Hightower and DRC warrant them to be benched. At some point in time these players need to be held accountable and shown that stupidity is not an excuse. Tennessee did this with Britt and we need to do it to these players. Maybe not a game, but at least a quarter.
 

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I'm not sure why people are complaining about Billy Davis. The defense played well enough to win here. They threw up their hands when they'd been on the field forever without getting any support from the offense.

It's not the defense who turned the ball over 5 times. It was the defense who held the Seattle Seahawks to 6(!) field goals. Billy Davis had a good game plan. His colleagues in the offensive meeting rooms let him down.

THIS!!!!!!!
 

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one point about discipline
I am not saying we were going to win but maybe we could have done when it was 19-10. On 3&12, Seahawks came short of 1st down by 5 yards then that awful personal foul by DD that moved them 15 yards. If we stopped them there, could have been a chance to score and u never know ioside kick or so and get ball back. at least we were still in it. what was he thinking at such crucial time?
 

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one point about discipline
I am not saying we were going to win but maybe we could have done when it was 19-10. On 3&12, Seahawks came short of 1st down by 5 yards then that awful personal foul by DD that moved them 15 yards. If we stopped them there, could have been a chance to score and u never know ioside kick or so and get ball back. at least we were still in it. what was he thinking at such crucial time?

That was the worst part about this loss. We had several chances to gain the momentum and just flopped. More than just one play sticks out. More than just one penalty sticks out. The fumbles and the QB play crapped on anything the defense got going. Its sad, the game was ours for the taking, and then we just started leaving Matt back there (after getting to him early) free to pass on us.
 

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I'm not sure why people are complaining about Billy Davis. The defense played well enough to win here. They threw up their hands when they'd been on the field forever without getting any support from the offense.

It's not the defense who turned the ball over 5 times. It was the defense who held the Seattle Seahawks to 6(!) field goals. Billy Davis had a good game plan. His colleagues in the offensive meeting rooms let him down.

Well we would blame the Offensive Coordinator if we had one...errrr two... Ugggh now I am just confused.
 

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Season, so far, has shown that QB is our BIGGEST NEED. Who is the best one in next year's Draft? Are there two or three worthy of a top ten pick, which at this point looks like where we will draft?
 
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