Game 7 Impressions: Bucs 38 Cardinals 35

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The coaching errors were so numerous...let's just highlight a few.

* We saw why THT has been the starter...Wells can't block or catch nearly as well. Wells cost us juggling the pass on the first drive and then cost us the first pick six...although I will add another coaching gaffe to this one, which will be redundant because as long as Whiz has been the coach here the team has had no clue as to how to prepare for or ensure they will block the edge rushers...on that play, TE Ben Patrick...yes Ben Patrick is in the backfield to the double edge threat side and Beanie Wells is on the opposite side. On the snap, what does Patrick do? He runs a flare route...which...apparently he was coached to do...and if it's LSH that's one thing, but even if Patrick catches the flare, what's he get 2-3 yards at best? So Patrick runs right away from the two players who blew up the play. Beanie has to come all the way from the other side, and he allows the outside man to blow right past him.

* Let's just get this straight...Max Hall was not at fault for the first pick six. The 2nd pick six is on him for sure, but...how is it that a play is called where Hall is expected to throw a 12 yard out from the far hash mark? You have to question the play call and the thinking there...especially if the game plan was supposed to be simplified to suit Max's strenghts.

* Not that I am optimistic about Max Hall's chances to even play again this year...that 2nd pick six was really the only egregious mistake he made. The irony is...he had just made his best play of the day a play earlier when he avoided blind egde pressure stepped to his left and threw a strike to Breaston.

* How about, with DA at QB to start the second half, the WR screen to Doucet on 3rd and 10, after the team had been bailed out on another turnover? That was about as awful a play call as there is. It's a quitter's call.

* Similarly as Hall in some respects in terms of making one hideous mistake, and very oddly, Derek Anderson was playing by far his best game as a Cardinal, when he threw the unthinkable pass, down 38-35 and well into FG range and on 1st down to boot.

* The funny thing was...apparently DA had lulled Whiz into a false sense of security, because even with Kurt Warner at QB, Whiz in that same situation, down, distance and under 3 minutes left...with the Bucs having no timeouts, he would have run the ball to try to work the clock down and try to punch it in on the ground from there...and at worst kick the game tying FG with no time left to send the game into OT.

* The problem was...and this speaks volumes...Whiz must have been worried that he couldn't run the ball with 2 fumble prone RBs...and felt that passing with DA was safer. So here's the reality: the Cardinals have 2 QB who are interception prone and 2 RBs who are fumble prone.

* Regardless, the team needs to be better coached in these types of situations...thus far this year they have handled the end of halfs on both offense and especially on defense so badly, the coaching looks conspicuously deficient. Check the defense's performance at the end of both halfs...you can make a great argument that the defense's lapses at the end of each half cost the Cardinals the game.

* How about the defense's response to the offense giving the team the lead? In the first half, the response was a 3 play 80 yard TD drive...then followed---thanks to a missed tackle by Adrian Wilson on 3rd and 7 indide the 10 yard line, a 94 yard drive from the 4 yard line following the missed 4th and 2 from from the 4 yard line...and then late in the 4th with the lead they give up a bomb to Benn on a play where not a single Cardinal got to within a 5 yard radius of Freeman...the reality is the coaches and the players have no sense of what pressure means to winning football games. Funny how the Bucs get a sack and strip (thanks to a pitiful Levi Brown effort) with the game on the line and the Cardinals don't even breathe on Freeman when it matters most...THIS has been the pattern with Pendergast and Davis as DCs. Remember the Super Bowl. Nothing is different...and right now it looks even worse than ever.

* As for the going for it on 4th and 2...OK, Whiz, big guts to go for it, sure...but...as demoralized as the team was following the second pick six, to answer with some points in that situation (it's still the first half) to cut it to 21-17 at halftime, is not such a bad idea...but what makes the decision all the more egregious was sitting there with 1 TO left and instead of using it on such a key play in the game, you rush the play in where it puts all the players in a frantic mode and you have DA rush the snap with the play clock turniing to zero. And you WHIZ are watching this unfold standing right next to an official. This is just such bad clock management...it's just unacceptable...and what's also unacceptable were the late play calls and personnel confusion when Hall was in the game. One reason why you don't give the team like this a total week off during the bye week is to make sure inexcusable blunders like these don't happen and/or continue to happen.

* Even worse, that 1 TO you had left in the 1st half...was never used. You should have at least used it trying to stop the Bucs from going 94 yards in the last 2 minutes.

* How about the defense giving up a 40 yard run to Blount on first down pinned on their own 14 yard line...with the game on the line and 2:14 to go? Did you see the personnel for that play? Alan Branch was playing on the edge at DE...that's right, Alan Branch...and on the snap he crashes to the inside. All one can say is WTFATCT (what the f are the coaches thinking?). Does anyone here think that Alan Branch is the best edge player for that situation?

* Rough day all around fror Kerry Rhodes...burned twice deep, a Cardinal sin for FSs. He atoned somewhat with the FG block. But, he was poor all day, poor in coverage and poor in tackling...as were most of the Cardinals.

* The big and notciebale difference is, the Bucs played much more physical on defense...they stuck the ballcarriers and WRs repeatedly (knocking the wind out of many Cardinals)...whereas our defenders played thump most of the time when they weren't arm tackling.

* Why, after seeing that Mike Williams was the key WR and deep threat, wasn't DRC wasn't assigned to him, especially if Rhodes is playing so cluelessly...why?

* But this was the thing all day with DRC and Rhodes, they stopped running hard and reacting quickly on plays as if they thought the plays were over and got burned repeatedly. DRC is just plain spaced-out. He quits on plays and has no sense of urgency. Rhodes took the afternoon off. And Wilson, is still out of sorts. Why he isn't on the edge or up the middle rushing more often is another sign that the coaches do not know what his best strengths are.

* Bye Week #2 Coming Up. Knowing the Cardinal players, most of them will not even show up in Minnesota next week, feeling that they can win the fans back versus Seattle at home. And sadly the Cardinals' coaches seem to lack the gravitas to do anything about it.
 
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Getting beat by Blount is demoralizing. In the Pac 10 last year, and in the Rose Bowl, Blount was stopped far more often than not.... to the point he was CUT by the titans in the preseason.
 

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I wish that you had been interviewing Whisenhunt after the game and gone down this list. He has absolutely no sense of reality (which you laid out perfectly). Whisenhunt needs someone to challenge him.

He is good at teaching lessons (ie cutting Leinart, deactivating Dan Williams a couple of weeks ago, benching Hightower today). Its time for someone to teach him a lesson.
 

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I still dont get your point about Hall not being responsible for the first pick... because there is unblocked pressure he has to throw the ball right into the hands of a defender?

Also you state 2 men are coming clean? Why does Wells have to take the man that hit hall? What about the other coming through clean who he did pick up?

Also disagree that Hall only egregious error was the second pick.. He also missed a wide open Fitz on a long pass early where he had plenty of time.. and I am not relieving him of responsibility for that first pick..

BTW, your last point is dead on.. this team will not show up next week
 
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* Bye Week #2 Coming Up. Knowing the Cardinal players, most of them will not even show up in Minnesota next week, feeling that they can win the fans back versus Seattle at home. And sadly the Cardinals' coaches seem to lack the gravitas to do anything about it.

If we lose by less that 20 next week I will be shocked. Last years loss on Sunday Night, coupled with the Vikings current woes, make this game a must have for them.

We have never fared well in Minny. And our offense doesn't have what it takes to beat the Vikings. A passing offense with a pulse.

Classic stuff Mitch.
 

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I wish that you had been interviewing Whisenhunt after the game and gone down this list. He has absolutely no sense of reality (which you laid out perfectly). Whisenhunt needs someone to challenge him.

He is good at teaching lessons (ie cutting Leinart, deactivating Dan Williams a couple of weeks ago, benching Hightower today). Its time for someone to teach him a lesson.

The only leason he's going to ever get is when he's fired, somewhere in the future after the team completely quits on him.

If there is a lockout this could take years, which is depressing.
 

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I still dont get your point about Hall not being responsible for the first pick... because there is unblocked pressure he has to throw the ball right into the hands of a defender?

Also you state 2 men are coming clean? Why does Wells have to take the man that hit hall? What about the other coming through clean who he did pick up?

Also disagree that Hall only egregious error was the second pick.. He also missed a wide open Fitz on a long pass early where he had plenty of time.. and I am not relieving him of responsibility for that first pick..

He was hit as he threw it..... Did you miss that?

Billick cleared this up right after the commercial break.... Wells completely missed the correct assignment.

Totally agree on the bomb to Fitz..... I mentioned to my wife that DA did the same thing in SD.
 

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He was hit as he threw it..... Did you miss that?

Billick cleared this up right after the commercial break.... Wells completely missed the correct assignment.

Totally agree on the bomb to Fitz..... I mentioned to my wife that DA did the same thing in SD.

Was he hit before releasing it? I thought he just panicked feeling the pressure and made a terrible throw. I'll have to look at it again. I thought the ball came out clean.

I don't really care what Billick says.. how does he know the blocking assignment on that play? He also failed to recognize the second player coming through that Wells did pick up.. Bottomline to me is that there were two defenders about to smack Hall and only one blocker (Wells)
 

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Great post Mitch, but I don't think Whiz is avoiding the run at times because he is worried about fumbles. I think he just wants to pass, and with the QBs he put on the field, its insane.
 

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The only leason he's going to ever get is when he's fired, somewhere in the future after the team completely quits on him.

If there is a lockout this could take years, which is depressing.

He appears to be stubborn as a mule and completely out of touch with reality. If he continues at this pace without accepting the need to change, the franchise is in trouble
 

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Couldn't disagree more about the first pick not being on Hall, Mitch. Rookie or not you don't throw when the WR isn't open, especially not when there is no pressure on you. Take off and run, roll out and throw it away, I don't care. Don't give the ball away like that. Rookies with bright futures have instincts. They make some bad plays but you can just see instincts there where from time to time they'll make something out of nothing.

Hall doesn't do it. Hall is a great kid but he just doesn't have a feel for the game.
 

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He appears to be stubborn as a mule and completely out of touch with reality. If he continues at this pace without accepting the need to change, the franchise is in trouble

I want to be clear here that I'm not rooting for him to go.

He's got many things about him that I like, his insane stubborness is not one of the traits I'm fond of.

When you don't like a guy like Matt you work around it until an opportunity to improve the team makes itself clear.

Thinking that's DA is problem one, thinking it's Max Hall is strike two and his dismal in game coaching and playcalling are strikes three and four, with an honorable mention to accepting Bill Davis as a DC and him not wanting rid of the OC duties too, oh and also the tolerance of the team quiting on the road.
 

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I still dont get your point about Hall not being responsible for the first pick... because there is unblocked pressure he has to throw the ball right into the hands of a defender?

I think the argument is the throw was "diverted" by the hit, the ball didn't go where Max meant to throw it.

Note I'm not necessarily in agreement, you can't do that, he has to see the blitz coming on that play there were 2 guys coming.
 

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Great read Mitch, as always, i couldn't agree more. Our QB's actually got the job done today if you consider all the situations from more in depth view. First pick six was all on beanie, and it was mistake from Whis to play him...Which i'm sure he regrets now...Timmy would have picked up the blitzer.. The second pick six was the only bad throw by Max Hall and even there, the playcall was horrible, still should have just accepted the sack.

I also wanted to add Sandlein, he should have made the second level block on Ruud, be more agressive, if he did that, it was an easy TD for our RB in that case. I'm talking about the short throw close to the endzone. Ruud got free of Sandlein to make the tackle.

As stupid and bad throw it was from DA in the end...It was even worse playcall...And it was just as bad route by Fitz...He should never allow Talib to cut under him, he simply should have taken a shallower angle on his slant to secure that the throw was as less dangerous as it could be. because it was obvious what Talib was trying to do there. But the blame goes first to Whisenhunt for making such a stupid call. Run the ball , play old school and secure at least OT...Second blame goes to DA that made a horrible decision and throw.. And lastly to Fitz that should have taken the safest route possible that excludes the CB having chance to get underneath him

I'm very optimistic about this season and i'm sure the coaching will get better. They are good in adjusting the mistakes. And altough they often have these mistake prone games, it's like they show up without mistakes a week later. Most importantly, the whole team plays well in important games, so my hope is still there.
 
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I still dont get your point about Hall not being responsible for the first pick... because there is unblocked pressure he has to throw the ball right into the hands of a defender?

Also you state 2 men are coming clean? Why does Wells have to take the man that hit hall? What about the other coming through clean who he did pick up?

Also disagree that Hall only egregious error was the second pick.. He also missed a wide open Fitz on a long pass early where he had plenty of time.. and I am not relieving him of responsibility for that first pick..

BTW, your last point is dead on.. this team will not show up next week

Here are my rebuttals:

(1) Hall's arm was hit when he threw the pass that Geno Hayes intercepted...check the replay, the pass came out wobbling side to side. It's actually amazing that Hayes reached down and caught it because it was spinning side to side.

(2) What Wells should have been coached to do is set up to Hall's left and take the FIRST threat. It's a Pop Warner rule. Instead he ran straight for the inside player while the outside player, who was coming harder and faster blew right by him. In either event, Ben Patrick was lined up to that side and should have been assigned to block, not run a flare pass. Althopugh, the pitiful way Patrick blocked on one edge pass rush assignment may have yiedled the same result. Spach got abused last week...Patrick this week. These TEs are awful, just plain awful.

(3) Check the Fitz play again. We tend to idolize Fitz. I will guarantee you this, Todd Haley would have been in Fitz's grill fuming at him after that play for slowing down after he got separation. Hall's throw was where Fitz should have been...and one can only imagine that Fitz slowed down because he didn't trust Hall would throw it as well as he did.
 

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Was he hit before releasing it? I thought he just panicked feeling the pressure and made a terrible throw. I'll have to look at it again. I thought the ball came out clean.

I don't really care what Billick says.. how does he know the blocking assignment on that play? He also failed to recognize the second player coming through that Wells did pick up.. Bottomline to me is that there were two defenders about to smack Hall and only one blocker (Wells)

Agreed. The guy Beanie picked up would have hit him also. Then who's fault is it? No excuse for the pick either. Pressure actually does come on the QB.
 

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Here are my rebuttals:

(1) Hall's arm was hit when he threw the pass that Geno Hayes intercepted...check the replay, the pass came out wobbling side to side. It's actually amazing that Hayes reached down and caught it because it was spinning side to side.

(2) What Wells should have been coached to do is set up to Hall's left and take the FIRST threat. It's a Pop Warner rule. Instead he ran straight for the inside player while the outside player, who was coming harder and faster blew right by him. In either event, Ben Patrick was lined up to that side and should have been assigned to block, not run a flare pass. Althopugh, the pitiful way Patrick blocked on one edge pass rush assignment may have yiedled the same result. Spach got abused last week...Patrick this week. These TEs are awful, just plain awful.

(3) Check the Fitz play again. We tend to idolize Fitz. I will guarantee you this, Todd Haley would have been in Fitz's grill fuming at him after that play for slowing down after he got separation. Hall's throw was where Fitz should have been...and one can only imagine that Fitz slowed down because he didn't trust Hall would throw it as well as he did.

I completely agree on (3), but does it matter? We are getting set up to see the Vikes throw Fitz an ungodly amount of $$$$ to try and keep MN in MN. We may as well accept it now.
 

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Here are my rebuttals:



(3) Check the Fitz play again. We tend to idolize Fitz. I will guarantee you this, Todd Haley would have been in Fitz's grill fuming at him after that play for slowing down after he got separation. Hall's throw was where Fitz should have been...and one can only imagine that Fitz slowed down because he didn't trust Hall would throw it as well as he did.

Yes several of us posted this on the game thread too. You could see Fitz slow down and then accelerate again, he didn't run the play out and that's why it was overthrown.

Also, on the 40 yard run by Blount, Dockett ran right by him, at least the 5th time in the game he had a clean shot and Blount and didn't get him.

I thought Dan Williams had a really nice game and I thought Branch played well again.

Quite frankly with the struggles of both CC and DD I'd like to see more of Branch playing DE. Maybe with more plays off DD can actually make a tackle.
 

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Agreed. The guy Beanie picked up would have hit him also. Then who's fault is it? No excuse for the pick either. Pressure actually does come on the QB.


It's very logical: The guy that Beanie picked up would have hit Hall, but only much later than the guy he didn't picked up. It means that Hall would have got the throw off down the field if Beanie had done his job. He wouldn't have been hit and the throw would be to a WR and not to a Bucs LB.
 

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Here are my rebuttals:

(1) Hall's arm was hit when he threw the pass that Geno Hayes intercepted...check the replay, the pass came out wobbling side to side. It's actually amazing that Hayes reached down and caught it because it was spinning side to side.

(2) What Wells should have been coached to do is set up to Hall's left and take the FIRST threat. It's a Pop Warner rule. Instead he ran straight for the inside player while the outside player, who was coming harder and faster blew right by him. In either event, Ben Patrick was lined up to that side and should have been assigned to block, not run a flare pass. Althopugh, the pitiful way Patrick blocked on one edge pass rush assignment may have yiedled the same result. Spach got abused last week...Patrick this week. These TEs are awful, just plain awful.

(3) Check the Fitz play again. We tend to idolize Fitz. I will guarantee you this, Todd Haley would have been in Fitz's grill fuming at him after that play for slowing down after he got separation. Hall's throw was where Fitz should have been...and one can only imagine that Fitz slowed down because he didn't trust Hall would throw it as well as he did.

Agreed on # 3. As awful as Hall was and is I was screaming bloody murder at Fitz on that one. He blew it.
 

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It's very logical: The guy that Beanie picked up would have hit Hall, but only much later than the guy he didn't picked up. It means that Hall would have got the throw off down the field if Beanie had done his job. He wouldn't have been hit and the throw would be to a WR and not to a Bucs LB.

You are an excuse making machine. He would have been there just as quickly. Hall has no pocket presence at all and doesn't see anything coming. He has to see pressure and not seeing it and throwing picks is on him.
 

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You are an excuse making machine. He would have been there just as quickly. Hall has no pocket presence at all and doesn't see anything coming. He has to see pressure and not seeing it and throwing picks is on him.

You are wrong, the blitzer was coming much much faster and harder. Look at the play again. Beanie made a horrible decision. He blocked the slower one. And it wasn't even close, the blitzer was coming much faster.

As for Qb's have to see everything coming, it's absolutely not true. That's why you have the RB's to block the blindside so that you can look in other direction confidently and make a read and decision.

Beanie should have protected Hall's blindside on this play and he blew it. He should be benched and only played goal line situation, he is that big of a bust.
 
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You are an excuse making machine. He would have been there just as quickly. Hall has no pocket presence at all and doesn't see anything coming. He has to see pressure and not seeing it and throwing picks is on him.

You might be right, PJ...but...this is what irks me...it's obvious the Bucs watched the Seahawks' tape...for it was the Seahawks who stacked the edge with 2 rushers and the Cardinals never accounted for it, save one lousy time where Stephen Spach got blown away by the edge rusher, who concussed Hall.

Whizenhunt is the WORST OC I have ever seen at accounting for rushes. He is a QB's nightmare.

Wanna know why Warner "lost the fun" of the game?

There's your answer.

We don't block the edge and we don't rush the edge, and until we get coaches who stress that we will continue to falter, especially late in games when those things matter the most.
 

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Hall is a total waste of time, lacking any tangible talent. I hope he doesn't see the field for the rest of the year.
 

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You are an excuse making machine. He would have been there just as quickly. Hall has no pocket presence at all and doesn't see anything coming. He has to see pressure and not seeing it and throwing picks is on him.

Agreed on that, there are 2 guys blitzing he has to see that. He's a rookie that's why he didn't, but the picksix happened because he didn't read the blitz
 
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