Game 7 Impressions: Bucs 38 Cardinals 35

[PJ1]

You are wrong, the blitzer was coming much much faster and harder. Look at the play again. Beanie made a horrible decision. He blocked the slower one. And it wasn't even close, the blitzer was coming much faster.

As for Qb's have to see everything coming, it's absolutely not true. That's why you have the RB's to block the blindside so that you can look in other direction confidently and make a read and decision.

Beanie should have protected Hall's blindside on this play and he blew it. He should be benched and only played goal line situation, he is that big of a bust.

Wasn't his blindside and he was not hit in the back. You are wrong. Hall has played about as bad as a QB can the past two weeks. He is not an NFL QB and never will be. Make all the excuses you want.

 

[Brewster10]

You are wrong, the blitzer was coming much much faster and harder. Look at the play again. Beanie made a horrible decision. He blocked the slower one. And it wasn't even close, the blitzer was coming much faster.

As for Qb's have to see everything coming, it's absolutely not true. That's why you have the RB's to block the blindside so that you can look in other direction confidently and make a read and decision.

Beanie should have protected Hall's blindside on this play and he blew it. He should be benched and only played goal line situation, he is that big of a bust.

Eh, I'll defer to the coaches on that one.. I have no idea who Beanie was supposed to pick up.. All i know is that 2 guys were coming hard and clean, and I don't get why we only had a RB back there protecting.. The TE ran right passed the pressure and didn't even chip the guy..

Seems like a scheme issue to me.

 

[PJ1]

You might be right, PJ...but...this is what irks me...it's obvious the Bucs watched the Seahawks' tape...for it was the Seahawks who stacked the edge with 2 rushers and the Cardinals never accounted for it, save one lousy time where Stephen Spach got blown away by the edge rusher, who concussed Hall.

Whizenhunt is the WORST OC I have ever seen at accounting for rushes. He is a QB's nightmare.

Wanna know why Warner "lost the fun" of the game?

There's your answer.

We don't block the edge and we don't rush the edge, and until we get coaches who stress that we will continue to falter, especially late in games when those things matter the most.

Mitch I am not saying we don't have problems with our blocking schemes but Hall should not be our QB. Whiz and whomever blew it and we are all trying to decide which QB sucks less. Very depressing.

 

[Brewster10]

Thought one of the more telling comments of the day was when Billick said that Whiz admitted he didn't know how small Halls hands were and how bad the conditions would be in Seattle..

How does he not know these things..

Hall is a waste of time.. I believed in him because Whiz believed so strongly in him... but Im beginning to realize that maybe Whiz doesn't know all that much about QBs.. given that he picked up Anderson and actually had confidence in Hall, who absolutely stinks

 

[Early]

Wasn't his blindside and he was not hit in the back. You are wrong. Hall has played about as bad as a QB can the past two weeks. He is not an NFL QB and never will be. Make all the excuses you want.

It was his blindside. He was looking at his left and that was obviously the design of the play or how it developed. The blindside is the side that QB has no chance to see. It can be the right side on some plays or left side on some others, even with the same QB. If the Qb is right handed it will in most cases be his left side, and reverse for a left handed QB. But there are many exceptions as this is the case. In this case it was the side where we left two unblocked defenders. Hall was BLIND there.

And it's a rule that you need to block the first threath. the faster guy was the blitzer and beanie blew it completely.

Timmy needs to be in there, you can't make a pass when Beanie is in there. QB is not safe and he can't catch anything underneath confidently.

He can only be in there when we run and it's very very limiting

 

[Early]

Eh, I'll defer to the coaches on that one.. I have no idea who Beanie was supposed to pick up.. All i know is that 2 guys were coming hard and clean, and I don't get why we only had a RB back there protecting.. The TE ran right passed the pressure and didn't even chip the guy..

Seems like a scheme issue to me.

Scheme for sure... Plus Beanie

Scheme messed it up but Beanie had the chance to save the mistake if he made the right decision, Hall just needed an extra split second to make the throw..

 

[Mitch]

Wasn't his blindside and he was not hit in the back. You are wrong. Hall has played about as bad as a QB can the past two weeks. He is not an NFL QB and never will be. Make all the excuses you want.

Hall isn't ready right now...but don't count him out down the road. He was thrust into this situation too quickly...he needs John Lott and an OC who values pass protection. This kid won't quit, I promise you that. And the next time he gets his chance, he may surprise you.

 

[Brewster10]

Scheme for sure... Plus Beanie

Scheme messed it up but Beanie had the chance to save the mistake if he made the right decision, Hall just needed an extra split second to make the throw..

There was no saving the mistake.. the other blitzer would have creamed Hall

 

[PJ1]

It was his blindside. He was looking at his left and that was obviously the design of the play or how it developed. The blindside is the side that QB has no chance to see. It can be the right side on some plays or left side on some others, even with the same QB. If the Qb is right handed it will in most cases be his left side, and reverse for a left handed QB. But there are many exceptions as this is the case. In this case it was the side where we left two unblocked defenders. Hall was BLIND there.

And it's a rule that you need to block the first threath. the faster guy was the blitzer and beanie blew it completely.

Timmy needs to be in there, you can't make a pass when Beanie is in there. QB is not safe and he can't catch anything underneath confidently.

He can only be in there when we run and it's very very limiting

He was hit in the gut. Not from behind. It may look like it to you because the guy can't take his eyes off the receiver thus no pocket presence.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

It was his blindside. He was looking at his left and that was obviously the design of the play or how it developed. The blindside is the side that QB has no chance to see. It can be the right side on some plays or left side on some others, even with the same QB. If the Qb is right handed it will in most cases be his left side, and reverse for a left handed QB. But there are many exceptions as this is the case. In this case it was the side where we left two unblocked defenders. Hall was BLIND there.

And it's a rule that you need to block the first threath. the faster guy was the blitzer and beanie blew it completely.

Timmy needs to be in there, you can't make a pass when Beanie is in there. QB is not safe and he can't catch anything underneath confidently.

He can only be in there when we run and it's very very limiting

Awesome.

I am sure you have other excuses for his 6 other turnovers.

Let me explain to you just how awful Minimus is:

He averages a turnover every 11 pass attempts.

 

[desertdawg]

Awesome.

I am sure you have other excuses for his 6 other turnovers.

Let me explain to you just how awful Minimus is:

He averages a turnover every 11 pass attempts.

And has outscored himself with the pick 6s.

 

[Early]

There was no saving the mistake.. the other blitzer would have creamed Hall

Sure - after he got the pass off

 

[Duckjake]

Awesome.

I am sure you have other excuses for his 6 other turnovers.

Let me explain to you just how awful Minimus is:

He averages a turnover every 11 pass attempts.

Let's not overlook miniMax's awesome 4.4 yards per pass attempt today.

 

[Early]

Awesome.

I am sure you have other excuses for his 6 other turnovers.

Let me explain to you just how awful Minimus is:

He averages a turnover every 11 pass attempts.

I had even more excuses for KW when in time when just about every Cardinal fan only had criticism against him. Now he is a hero.

Maximus is not KW. But he will not give up, he is no ML mentality, you can see that he hates the check downs, and he played really well today. he will need to learn when to check down and when to stay out of double coverage. When he learns to target single coverage and identify it, his intangibles such as leadership and accuracy will be a big value.

The coaching was not the best. Sadly we do have these games where the coaches don't show up, and suddenly we have games where coaching seems perfect. It's inconsistent coaching, but it's sufficient coaching. We show up when it matters and in the long run, it still get us to playoffs and we play well in the most important games.

Don't look at stats. Max did a fine job today.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Hall.

Whizenhunt is the WORST OC I have ever seen at accounting for rushes. He is a QB's nightmare.

Wanna know why Warner "lost the fun" of the game?

There's your answer.

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This is why you have no credability with me. Thats complete BS. You and the other Whiz haters on this board get focused on hating him and then twist every piece of material to blame him....

I cant believe you actually think that Pick 6 from Hall was somehow Whiz's fault. Ever heard of a route tree? There were at least 3 options on that play and he, like he always does, starred down his receiver, and made a bad throw.

Max hall has no redeeming quality as a QB. Please cut him.

 

[Mitch]

Scheme for sure... Plus Beanie

Scheme messed it up but Beanie had the chance to save the mistake if he made the right decision, Hall just needed an extra split second to make the throw..

Let's just clear this up right now so we can talk about other things...

If the Bucs are stacking 2 edge rushers on the right side and you line up in a shotgun with a man to either side of the QB, and you take the man to the 2 rusher side a slow TE no less and flare him out and expect the other man away from that side to slow down 2 blockers, it's the scheme. Plain and simple.

The Cardinals are easy pickings for DCs...the Cardinals are brutally unprepared...even after they get burned on the same play week after week.

 

[Duckjake]

Let's just clear this up right now so we can talk about other things...

If the Bucs are stacking 2 edge rushers on the right side and you line up in a shotgun with a man to either side of the QB, and you take the man to the 2 rusher side a slow TE no less and flare him out and expect the other man away from that side to slow down 2 blockers, it's the scheme. Plain and simple.

The Cardinals are easy pickings for DCs...they are brutally unprepared...even after they get burned on the same play week after week.

Excellent response Mitch. The Cards simply cannot figure out how to handle the wide blitz/rush and are even worse when the D brings 2 from outside.

I'm still waiting for the first game where the Cards go a full 60 minutes without an Offensive Tackle double teaming with a Guard while the edge rusher on his side goes unimpeded to our QB.

BTW: in looking at the INT again you can see where Warner would have seen the move by the CB and had the ball out to Breaston immediately. I saw Brees make at least two throws like that tonight. But the Steelers D is just awesome. It doesn't matter what anyone does against them.

 

[Catfish]

Mitch-----as usual your thread on this game is over-the-top good. You make so darn much sense that it is becoming sickening to read your posts after each game, and yet your analysis is brilliantly spot-on. I hate to see that each week the coaches allow the same players to make the same kinds of mistakes, and often (direct) them to do so by calling for plays to put them into bad situations. This is becoming nauseus to say the least-----and is demoralizing the entire team AND the fans.

If I can tell, (for the most part), what the opposing offense will do, base upon our down, and personnel package, and what our offense will do, again based on our personnel package and the down, then surely the opponent can do this. We continue to lose games for the absolute poorest of reasons. Lack of the most effective use of our personnel. We do not have bad players, we have coaches who put them into bad situations, or who fail to motivate them to play up to their potential.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Don't look at stats. Max did a fine job today.

You must have a different definition of fine then the rest of the world.

 

[PJ1]

Mitch-----as usual your thread on this game is over-the-top good. You make so darn much sense that it is becoming sickening to read your posts after each game, and yet your analysis is brilliantly spot-on. I hate to see that each week the coaches allow the same players to make the same kinds of mistakes, and often (direct) them to do so by calling for plays to put them into bad situations. This is becoming nauseus to say the least-----and is demoralizing the entire team AND the fans.

If I can tell, (for the most part), what the opposing offense will do, base upon our down, and personnel package, and what our offense will do, again based on our personnel package and the down, then surely the opponent can do this. We continue to lose games for the absolute poorest of reasons. Lack of the most effective use of our personnel. We do not have bad players, we have coaches who put them into bad situations, or who fail to motivate them to play up to their potential.

Oh look again. We have some bad players. Also some that are supposed to be good but aren't playing like it.

 

[Seandonic]

I really enjoy your posts Mitch. I also like many of the replies. However, many of you (and myself at times) go so in-depth into why this team is failing. Looking into every nook and cranny to find the reasons for the failing when it is actually so simple. THE ARIZONA CARDINALS DO NOT HAVE AN NFL QB!
Yes, the O-line has major issues. The coaching is often suspect. The pass rush often disappears and...MY GOD...the turnovers! And this and that, etc, etc, etc... BUT, with all of those deficiencies this team would be champs of the NFC west and a legitimate Super Bowl contender if it just had even an average QB.
I know that looking at all the angles can be cathartic and needed after tough losses but when you run out of people to blame remember to look at just one position for your ultimate answer. QUARTERBACK.

 

[Buckybird]

I really enjoy your posts Mitch. I also like many of the replies. However, many of you (and myself at times) go so in-depth into why this team is failing. Looking into every nook and cranny to find the reasons for the failing when it is actually so simple. THE ARIZONA CARDINALS DO NOT HAVE AN NFL QB!
Yes, the O-line has major issues. The coaching is often suspect. The pass rush often disappears and...MY GOD...the turnovers! And this and that, etc, etc, etc... BUT, with all of those deficiencies this team would be champs of the NFC west and a legitimate Super Bowl contender if it just had even an average QB.
I know that looking at all the angles can be cathartic and needed after tough losses but when you run out of people to blame remember to look at just one position for your ultimate answer. QUARTERBACK.

The most crtical position on an NFL field that determines winning & losing. And that is exactly why Wiz shouldn't be throwing the ball all over the field...it's complete lunacy.

Would Haley, Turner, Bellicheat, Coughlin, among other good NFL coaches be throwing the ball as often as the Cards if they were HC here? I doubt it.

 

[kerouac9]

Let's not overlook miniMax's awesome 4.4 yards per pass attempt today.

Max Hall is so bad he's averaging fewer than 10 yards per completion. His average is 9.5 yards. That's less than a yard less than what Phillip Rivers is averaging PER ATTEMPT.

Man, it's a good thing that the media didn't jump all over Max Hall and looked at him with a healthy skepticism since his head coach has never worked with quarterbacks.

 

[Early]

Let's just clear this up right now so we can talk about other things...

If the Bucs are stacking 2 edge rushers on the right side and you line up in a shotgun with a man to either side of the QB, and you take the man to the 2 rusher side a slow TE no less and flare him out and expect the other man away from that side to slow down 2 blockers, it's the scheme. Plain and simple.

The Cardinals are easy pickings for DCs...the Cardinals are brutally unprepared...even after they get burned on the same play week after week.

I completely agree there. It's 1) the scheme on that play. There is no way you can allow two defenders against one blocker. One blocker can't block two. It's shocking that can continue to happen.

However, that has happened, so what, Beanie has to give up and block the slower one and say it's bad scheme, i have a great excuse? 2) It's on Wells as well. He sees clearly that there are two unblocked defenders coming at him. He needs to block the faster one, option football, it's just a simple rule and relatively simple read in pass protection that he can't execute. It's not happened once this time, it continues to be an issue. He has no chemistry within rest of the O-Line and protection scheme.

It's also obvious that Max needs a splitsecond to get that pass off correctly. If Beanie makes the right choice, he is not hit during the pass, there is no INT.

Even if Chris Wells is assigned to the slower defender in this case, he still must take the faster one, because he is the eyes of the QB on this side of the pocket, you adjust your protection as RB as the play develops. that's what they are asked to do. To me, scheme is not an excuse what he did there. He could have rescued the bad protection by a very simple read.

 

[WarnerHOF]

Getting beat by Blount is demoralizing. In the Pac 10 last year, and in the Rose Bowl, Blount was stopped far more often than not.... to the point he was CUT by the titans in the preseason.

Blount is a really talented player who lost a lot of money because his major red flags. The same goes for Mike Williams, I can't believe how well the Bucs have built their team with players with character issues.

I'm pretty sure Blount got cut because he punched another player during training camp. Blount is the REAL DEAL quite honestly, The guy is 247lbs with good speed and agility with veteran like vision. I don't see how anyone can blame Adub or any other player for not wrapping him up alone when Blount can only be bought down by gang tackles or one on one by a lineman or a linebacker with the perfect angle.

Kerry Rhodes didn't do a great job on the Blount TD who can blame him? Blount was already in 4th gear and cut back inside leaving Rhodes who is being outweighed by nearly 40lbs flat footed. Physics were completely against him. Blount is the same guy who dragged Troy Polamalu 5 yards for a first down. Blount is the guy I'm hoping Beanie will be which is pathetic considering the huge difference in draft position.