Game 7 Impressions: Bucs 38 Cardinals 35

[Cardiac]

Here are my rebuttals:

(1) Hall's arm was hit when he threw the pass that Geno Hayes intercepted...check the replay, the pass came out wobbling side to side. It's actually amazing that Hayes reached down and caught it because it was spinning side to side.

It was obvious that Hall got hit while releasing the ball and that's why it was picked off. You saw his arm get hit I saw him take a body shot but whatever it was he was hit.

(2) What Wells should have been coached to do is set up to Hall's left and take the FIRST threat. It's a Pop Warner rule. Instead he ran straight for the inside player while the outside player, who was coming harder and faster blew right by him. In either event, Ben Patrick was lined up to that side and should have been assigned to block, not run a flare pass. Althopugh, the pitiful way Patrick blocked on one edge pass rush assignment may have yiedled the same result. Spach got abused last week...Patrick this week. These TEs are awful, just plain awful.


I'm not a coach but I have heard several broad casters with NFL experience explain that during blitz pick up you start from the middle and work you way out. It's typically a shorter distance to the QB up the middle then from off the edge.

Did Patrick miss a read/assignment and that's why the blitzer was untouched? No matter who Beanie picks up it looks like the other blitzer would have gotten there. Did Hall miss his read and should have know someone was going to come unblocked at him? During the one replay while Billick was explaining how this was Beanies fault it looked to me like BK once again helped double down on the interior and let one of the edge blitzers come free.


(3) Check the Fitz play again. We tend to idolize Fitz. I will guarantee you this, Todd Haley would have been in Fitz's grill fuming at him after that play for slowing down after he got separation. Hall's throw was where Fitz should have been...and one can only imagine that Fitz slowed down because he didn't trust Hall would throw it as well as he did.

That's exactly what I saw and the thoughts I had about Fitz.

Jaws was intervied on KTAR last week and said he watched tape on the Cards and noticed that WR's weren't finishing their routes all the time. He believes it's because Hall can't make the throws and the WR's know this so they are giving up.

 

[cardpa]

Here are my rebuttals:

(1) Hall's arm was hit when he threw the pass that Geno Hayes intercepted...check the replay, the pass came out wobbling side to side. It's actually amazing that Hayes reached down and caught it because it was spinning side to side.

(2) What Wells should have been coached to do is set up to Hall's left and take the FIRST threat. It's a Pop Warner rule. Instead he ran straight for the inside player while the outside player, who was coming harder and faster blew right by him. In either event, Ben Patrick was lined up to that side and should have been assigned to block, not run a flare pass. Althopugh, the pitiful way Patrick blocked on one edge pass rush assignment may have yiedled the same result. Spach got abused last week...Patrick this week. These TEs are awful, just plain awful.

(3) Check the Fitz play again. We tend to idolize Fitz. I will guarantee you this, Todd Haley would have been in Fitz's grill fuming at him after that play for slowing down after he got separation. Hall's throw was where Fitz should have been...and one can only imagine that Fitz slowed down because he didn't trust Hall would throw it as well as he did.

I totally agree with #3. Fitz slowed down and as I watched the play I thought what in the hell was he doing. Had he not slowed down its a catch.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

at least somebody finally mentioned how bad Kerry Rhodes sucked yesterday. If that had been Rolle there would have been about 6 threads on him.

 

[Russ Smith]

I completely agree there. It's 1) the scheme on that play. There is no way you can allow two defenders against one blocker. One blocker can't block two. It's shocking that can continue to happen.

However, that has happened, so what, Beanie has to give up and block the slower one and say it's bad scheme, i have a great excuse? 2) It's on Wells as well. He sees clearly that there are two unblocked defenders coming at him. He needs to block the faster one, option football, it's just a simple rule and relatively simple read in pass protection that he can't execute. It's not happened once this time, it continues to be an issue. He has no chemistry within rest of the O-Line and protection scheme.

It's also obvious that Max needs a splitsecond to get that pass off correctly. If Beanie makes the right choice, he is not hit during the pass, there is no INT.

Even if Chris Wells is assigned to the slower defender in this case, he still must take the faster one, because he is the eyes of the QB on this side of the pocket, you adjust your protection as RB as the play develops. that's what they are asked to do. To me, scheme is not an excuse what he did there. He could have rescued the bad protection by a very simple read.

I don't follow. Later in the game Hall stepped up to avoid the rush and completed a pass. The rusher was unblocked, and we all said nice play by Max. Now the next play was his second picksix but i didn't see anybody stunned that Hall had to evade an unblocked rusher on the prior play.

It happens all the time in the NFL. There are 11 potential pass rushers on every play, there are 10 potential pass blockers on every play, so there are always situations where the QB is "responsible" for one guy. Week after week we hear you throw where the blitz came from. That's been the thing for ages now, it's the entire idea behind the zone blitz, you drop a defender like a DL into the very area that your LB/S/CB is blitzing from knowing the QB will probably throw where the blitz came from.

On the play in question the blitz came from Max's right side, his job is to read that defense. He didn't, and was looking left. Sure we could have done a better job picking it up with Patrick taking one guy and Beanie the other, but the reality is when you consistently put as many guys out in the pattern as we do, there are going to be times where that happens.

The only situation in the NFL where a blitzing team has every pass rusher picked up and blocked every time occurs when we are the blitzing team. Everyone else that does that gets someone free, we're the only team that can't do that. So unless we play ourselves, there will be times where the QB has to either make someone miss, or get the ball out quicker. That's what made Warner so special, he got the ball out, and made big plays out of it.

 

[Russ Smith]

at least somebody finally mentioned how bad Kerry Rhodes sucked yesterday. If that had been Rolle there would have been about 6 threads on him.

He had a terrible game. I did think that long completion to set up the go ahead TD was a pushoff by Benn but Rhodes wasn't in great position as it was. And the earlier bomb where he bit on the fake was terrible.

It's his first bad game, it was like watching a typical game from Rolle in the past.

 

[BW52]

at least somebody finally mentioned how bad Kerry Rhodes sucked yesterday. If that had been Rolle there would have been about 6 threads on him.

Go kiss Rolle`s ass in NY CBUS

 

[DemsMyBoys]

Hall isn't ready right now...but don't count him out down the road. He was thrust into this situation too quickly...he needs John Lott and an OC who values pass protection. This kid won't quit, I promise you that. And the next time he gets his chance, he may surprise you.

Anyone know if they've actually put gloves on him yet? I agree, Mitch, he WON'T quit. His size is a major worry to me. (I suffered under Pat Haden.) I want my QB to have big' ol paws. He had to go in for us WAY too early, but, from what I saw at camp, he's a better choice than Skelton who is still a couple years away from being ready. I WANT to LOVE Hall. The spirit is willing but right now the flesh, and his pass protection, is weak.

 

[Early]

I don't follow. Later in the game Hall stepped up to avoid the rush and completed a pass. The rusher was unblocked, and we all said nice play by Max. Now the next play was his second picksix but i didn't see anybody stunned that Hall had to evade an unblocked rusher on the prior play.

It happens all the time in the NFL. There are 11 potential pass rushers on every play, there are 10 potential pass blockers on every play, so there are always situations where the QB is "responsible" for one guy. Week after week we hear you throw where the blitz came from. That's been the thing for ages now, it's the entire idea behind the zone blitz, you drop a defender like a DL into the very area that your LB/S/CB is blitzing from knowing the QB will probably throw where the blitz came from.

On the play in question the blitz came from Max's right side, his job is to read that defense. He didn't, and was looking left. Sure we could have done a better job picking it up with Patrick taking one guy and Beanie the other, but the reality is when you consistently put as many guys out in the pattern as we do, there are going to be times where that happens.

The only situation in the NFL where a blitzing team has every pass rusher picked up and blocked every time occurs when we are the blitzing team. Everyone else that does that gets someone free, we're the only team that can't do that. So unless we play ourselves, there will be times where the QB has to either make someone miss, or get the ball out quicker. That's what made Warner so special, he got the ball out, and made big plays out of it.

It's simple. Throwing on the side of the blitz is not always the right choice. If the coverage is good there, you don't throw it. If it's a zone blitz, with the zone occupied on the side of the incoming blitzer, you don't throw it there, if the coverage is good.

Offcourse, you need to scan the whole field no matter where the blitz comes from, that's what the best QB's do. Just looking at the side of the blitzer won't get you far in NFL. If you have time to throw on the other side, where the blitz is not coming from, that's what you do. That's what KW did as well, all the time, yet you tell me here that the best WB's only look on the side of the blitz? Absolutely not true. Defenses in NFL switch up between double teams and zones on either the blitzing side and the opposite half. You need to read the play as QB to determine where to go.

This throw is just a great example of that. Max looked the other way and he has time to throw if the blocking scheme is executed as it should be. He knew that he had a RB assigned over there (Wells) that would give him just enough time for that throw. If Chris blocks the right guy, Hall has just enough time to make the pass on the left side. As we see, he just needed a split second to get that pass off. That splitsecond would clearly be provided by blocking the faster defender. It's so clear that it's not discussable for me.

So left side was fully availiable to make a throw, but only if Chris Wells does his job. He didn't and it resulted in an INT.

So next time, don't trust Chris Wells and don't turn your back to the blitzer, because Wells is not going to pick up the defender. Instead, always face the blitzer even if it means throwing on the side that has much better coverage. This severely limits the vision of a QB and it's a dream for any defensive coordinator. Having that bad RB in the backfield makes you limit an offense completely. Just throw in some blitzes and the chance he does not make his job is fairly high. Timmy does this to perfection all the time, and people don't notice these kind of "details". You never see him blocking the slower defender or missing the block. That's why you never see anything questionable like this from Timmy.

It's just a horrible and inexcusable play from Chris Wells. To hell with the pick six. That is season ending injury play right there, we were lucky this time.

It's the same as if a blindside OT is beat and his man crushes the QB just before he gets the pass off that can't see him coming. It's the splitsecond difference that means everything in the world for a QB. When he turns his head, it's because he puts all of his trust in the protection scheme on his blindside. Hall did made the right choice looking left since we can see that protection, if executed correctly, would have provided just enough time to make that throw happen.

 

[conraddobler]

The only situation in the NFL where a blitzing team has every pass rusher picked up and blocked every time occurs when we are the blitzing team. Everyone else that does that gets someone free, we're the only team that can't do that. So unless we play ourselves, there will be times where the QB has to either make someone miss, or get the ball out quicker. That's what made Warner so special, he got the ball out, and made big plays out of it.

Sounds like some Star Trek time space conundrum.

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If we played ourselves what what would our record be?

OK this might be the most interesting concept on the board right now.

First of all I'd sign a scrub RB to start against us each week, that would be good for record breaking runs.

Then if you also broke your own QB's leg it would be perfect.

The only thing is the refs, I have no idea how they could be biased against both teams at the same time.

 

[Russ Smith]

It's simple. Throwing on the side of the blitz is not always the right choice. If the coverage is good there, you don't throw it. If it's a zone blitz, with the zone occupied on the side of the incoming blitzer, you don't throw it there, if the coverage is good.

Offcourse, you need to scan the whole field no matter where the blitz comes from, that's what the best QB's do. Just looking at the side of the blitzer won't get you far in NFL. If you have time to throw on the other side, where the blitz is not coming from, that's what you do. That's what KW did as well, all the time, yet you tell me here that the best WB's only look on the side of the blitz? Absolutely not true. Defenses in NFL switch up between double teams and zones on either the blitzing side and the opposite half. You need to read the play as QB to determine where to go.

This throw is just a great example of that. Max looked the other way and he has time to throw if the blocking scheme is executed as it should be. He knew that he had a RB assigned over there (Wells) that would give him just enough time for that throw. If Chris blocks the right guy, Hall has just enough time to make the pass on the left side. As we see, he just needed a split second to get that pass off. That splitsecond would clearly be provided by blocking the faster defender. It's so clear that it's not discussable for me.

So left side was fully availiable to make a throw, but only if Chris Wells does his job. He didn't and it resulted in an INT.

So next time, don't trust Chris Wells and don't turn your back to the blitzer, because Wells is not going to pick up the defender. Instead, always face the blitzer even if it means throwing on the side that has much better coverage. This severely limits the vision of a QB and it's a dream for any defensive coordinator. Having that bad RB in the backfield makes you limit an offense completely. Just throw in some blitzes and the chance he does not make his job is fairly high. Timmy does this to perfection all the time, and people don't notice these kind of "details". You never see him blocking the slower defender or missing the block. That's why you never see anything questionable like this from Timmy.

It's just a horrible and inexcusable play from Chris Wells. To hell with the pick six. That is season ending injury play right there, we were lucky this time.

It's the same as if a blindside OT is beat and his man crushes the QB just before he gets the pass off that can't see him coming. It's the splitsecond difference that means everything in the world for a QB. When he turns his head, it's because he puts all of his trust in the protection scheme on his blindside. Hall did made the right choice looking left since we can see that protection, if executed correctly, would have provided just enough time to make that throw happen.

You lost me at the he should scan the whole field because it might not be open where the blitz came from. That implied Max looked that way, and if he had, he would have seen the blitz coming. He was looking left that's the only way he looked, it's why he didn't see the blitz coming right. You're taught to throw where the blitz comes from or at least look where the blitz is coming from, obviously Max didn't see or read the blitz so it's hard for me to absolve him of blame there. I'm not saying you ONLY look that side but it's generally your first look, if you know there's a blitz, Max didn't, that's on him.

I like Max, nobody has gone out on a skinnier limb than I have to stick up for Max Hall. I realize that play wasn't totally his fault but reading the blitz is on the QB and if you don't see the blitz and there are 2 guys to be blocked by 1 it isn't totally on Wells.

I like Max Hall but you can't win games with a QB that turns the ball over that much. That's what drove me nuts about Jake Plummer for years. With Jake it was tolerable his first couple of years because he made some big plays and because you assumed he'd get better. The problem is he never stopped making the dumb mistakes. The problem with Max is he's not making big plays so the mistakes are magnified. I don't buy into the Max should never see the field again stuff people were saying last night, but I sure wouldn't start him against the Vikings.

The thing we were told over and over about Max was he was way ahead of the learning curve, he saw the game on a different speed than most rookie Qb's. That just hasn't proven to be true in real game play, he's confused, like most rookies. That's why he's turning the ball over that second picksix it wasn't just the length of the throw that was the problem, he threw into double coverage. He had another one early in the game where there was a penalty but Talib nearly got that for a picksix. Hell Anderson threw a picksix to Ruud who luckily dropped it.

We threw 4 INT's, 2 for TD's, it's just really hard for me to buy that the QB play yesterday was good.

 

[Russ Smith]

Sounds like some Star Trek time space conundrum.

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If we played ourselves what what would our record be?

We'd probably find a way to lose.

 

[conraddobler]

We'd probably find a way to lose.

Yes but they, "us" we be doing the same thing simultaneously.

Which is why I think the universe would just implode or explode, one of the two, either that or you'd have to watch out for airborne pigs.

 

[Russ Smith]

Yes but they, "us" we be doing the same thing simultaneously.

Which is why I think the universe would just implode or explode, one of the two, either that or you'd have to watch out for airborne pigs.

No in a game between us and us, we'd find a way to lose and not win.

 

[Early]

You lost me at the he should scan the whole field because it might not be open where the blitz came from. That implied Max looked that way, and if he had, he would have seen the blitz coming. He was looking left that's the only way he looked, it's why he didn't see the blitz coming right. You're taught to throw where the blitz comes from or at least look where the blitz is coming from, obviously Max didn't see or read the blitz so it's hard for me to absolve him of blame there. I'm not saying you ONLY look that side but it's generally your first look, if you know there's a blitz, Max didn't, that's on him.

I like Max, nobody has gone out on a skinnier limb than I have to stick up for Max Hall. I realize that play wasn't totally his fault but reading the blitz is on the QB and if you don't see the blitz and there are 2 guys to be blocked by 1 it isn't totally on Wells.

I like Max Hall but you can't win games with a QB that turns the ball over that much. That's what drove me nuts about Jake Plummer for years. With Jake it was tolerable his first couple of years because he made some big plays and because you assumed he'd get better. The problem is he never stopped making the dumb mistakes. The problem with Max is he's not making big plays so the mistakes are magnified. I don't buy into the Max should never see the field again stuff people were saying last night, but I sure wouldn't start him against the Vikings.

The thing we were told over and over about Max was he was way ahead of the learning curve, he saw the game on a different speed than most rookie Qb's. That just hasn't proven to be true in real game play, he's confused, like most rookies. That's why he's turning the ball over that second picksix it wasn't just the length of the throw that was the problem, he threw into double coverage. He had another one early in the game where there was a penalty but Talib nearly got that for a picksix. Hell Anderson threw a picksix to Ruud who luckily dropped it.

We threw 4 INT's, 2 for TD's, it's just really hard for me to buy that the QB play yesterday was good.

He had the time to throw to the left. It's only when you don't have the time to throw to the opposite side of the blitz, that you need to focus solely on the blitzing side. This was not the case here. He had a RB to pass block the faster defender so it's fine he chose to throw to the left. Good decision. He had the confidence in his RB that he probably will never have again... A very important lesson from now on: Don't trust Wells.

As i said, KW looked alot on the other side and immediately sometimes like in this case as well with great succes. Rookie QB's always look at the blitzing side and usually defenses fool the QB's in this manner, they tend to look first at the blitzing side and focus too much there, but they got it covered with zones and double teams. In this case Max Hall saw something on the left and he was going to make the throw for sure. It's a good decision since he thought he had time for it and he had if not Wells blew up the play.

So you are compltely wrong. Only if Hall did not had time to make the throw to the left, did he make a mistake by looking left and making the right side, Chris Wells side, the blindside.

He had time to make that throw if Wells had done the job. He didn't. There is no way you can explain that.

It's bad scheme, to allow two guys unblocked and it's even worse optional protection by the RB, they get educated in this every time in practice, but Wells just doesn't get it.

When you see Timmy in there, pay special attention to what he does to situations where there are two blockers and you will know the difference. And you should know how much a splitsecond means on certain plays. This was just one of them, a very good example.

As for you , thinking that QB needs to lock immediately on the blitzing side, that's a recipe for failure in NFL. That's what they want QB's to do much of the time. You need to look where you can make the throw. Hall found it on this play. His blocker just did not give him that extra splitsecond.

 

[Jersey Girl]

Don't look at stats. Max did a fine job today.

What would you like us to look at? Cause I watched the game itself and, while I can think of lots of two-word descriptions to describe Max's play, "fine job" is not one of them.

 

[Vermont Maverick]

You must have a different definition of fine then the rest of the world.

I had a gf once, who used to say "it's fine". That meant, of course, that it was NOT fine. So I think you mean "a different definition than the male population."

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Go kiss Rolle`s ass in NY CBUS

Thanks for the suggestion but I'll pass. At least you added alot of insight to the thread with that post. Good job keep it up .

 

[Russ Smith]

He had the time to throw to the left. It's only when you don't have the time to throw to the opposite side of the blitz, that you need to focus solely on the blitzing side. This was not the case here. He had a RB to pass block the faster defender so it's fine he chose to throw to the left. Good decision. He had the confidence in his RB that he probably will never have again... A very important lesson from now on: Don't trust Wells.

As i said, KW looked alot on the other side and immediately sometimes like in this case as well with great succes. Rookie QB's always look at the blitzing side and usually defenses fool the QB's in this manner, they tend to look first at the blitzing side and focus too much there, but they got it covered with zones and double teams. In this case Max Hall saw something on the left and he was going to make the throw for sure. It's a good decision since he thought he had time for it and he had if not Wells blew up the play.

So you are compltely wrong. Only if Hall did not had time to make the throw to the left, did he make a mistake by looking left and making the right side, Chris Wells side, the blindside.

He had time to make that throw if Wells had done the job. He didn't. There is no way you can explain that.

It's bad scheme, to allow two guys unblocked and it's even worse optional protection by the RB, they get educated in this every time in practice, but Wells just doesn't get it.

When you see Timmy in there, pay special attention to what he does to situations where there are two blockers and you will know the difference. And you should know how much a splitsecond means on certain plays. This was just one of them, a very good example.

As for you , thinking that QB needs to lock immediately on the blitzing side, that's a recipe for failure in NFL. That's what they want QB's to do much of the time. You need to look where you can make the throw. Hall found it on this play. His blocker just did not give him that extra splitsecond.

There's one basic flaw in your explanation, Max Hall did NOT see the blitz. He didn't decide to go left because he had Wells in protection, he didn't know he needed protection.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010103109/2010/REG8/buccaneers@cardinals/watch

You'll see Billick explain how Wells blocked the wrong guy, but you'll also hear him explain how Hall "got surprised" and didn't see the blitz. you can see on the replay of it that he starts off looking middle and then looks left, he never looked right, he did not know there was a blitz coming from that side.

You can keep saying over and over that he chose to go left because going into the blitz is often a mistake but you're making the assumption he actually saw the blitz and if you look on replay he clearly didn't see it. He decided he was going left because he didn't know there was a blitz coming from the right.

Also in Somers blog he says the fault on that play was Hall holding the ball too long. I'm assuming that came from Whiz but he didn't actually say where it came from. Didn't say it was his opinion either. Maybe Whiz is just defending the bad scheme but
that's what Somers was told.

I like the kid but when the opponents players tell you after the game that their coaches told them he stared down his targets, we're going to sit in zones and jump throws and take them to the house, it's kind of hard to say the QB played well. He didn't.

Now DA I don't know what to say, he told a reporter after the game his throw that Talib picked "went to the right spot." He said he needed to look at it again but he thought the guy just made a great play, triple coverage, staring down Fitz and he thought it was just a great play?

max has an excuse he's a rookie, DA, unreal. Whiz did sort of hint that because Beanie(back) and Hyphen(Ribs) were beat up, he had Tim in. He denied it's why he didn't run but said in hindsight he wishes he had run.

So do I.

 

[Early]

There's one basic flaw in your explanation, Max Hall did NOT see the blitz. He didn't decide to go left because he had Wells in protection, he didn't know he needed protection.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010103109/2010/REG8/buccaneers@cardinals/watch

You'll see Billick explain how Wells blocked the wrong guy, but you'll also hear him explain how Hall "got surprised" and didn't see the blitz. you can see on the replay of it that he starts off looking middle and then looks left, he never looked right, he did not know there was a blitz coming from that side.

You can keep saying over and over that he chose to go left because going into the blitz is often a mistake but you're making the assumption he actually saw the blitz and if you look on replay he clearly didn't see it. He decided he was going left because he didn't know there was a blitz coming from the right.

I like the kid but when the opponents players tell you after the game that their coaches told them he stared down his targets, we're going to sit in zones and jump throws and take them to the house, it's kind of hard to say the QB played well. He didn't.

Now DA I don't know what to say, he told a reporter after the game his throw that Talib picked "went to the right spot." He said he needed to look at it again but he thought the guy just made a great play, triple coverage, staring down Fitz and he thought it was just a great play?

max has an excuse he's a rookie, DA, unreal. Whiz did sort of hint that because Beanie(back) and Hyphen(Ribs) were beat up, he had Tim in. He denied it's why he didn't run but said in hindsight he wishes he had run.

So do I.

To me the blitz was obvious for Hall before the play even started. Look at it again, the DB comes down seconds before the play starts and it is obvious to any QB, no matter who you are, that there may be a blitz from that side, huge chance, you dont need to even look. He may have been suprised by getting hit that fast, not expected when you have a back and TE blocking there. Based on that, Hall knows his prtection on that side and he obviously sees soemthing on the left side.


What matters was that Hall chose a throw that he had time for considering the blocking scheme. If Beanie makes the block, Hall has the time to make the throw he decided for. That's what matters nothing else. You can try to give excuses for which side he threw to, sometimes you go all in to the left if you see something to the right. There is no rule in football.

What matters is : Did the QB correctly decided to make a throw he actually had time for? In this case the QB decided a throw he had time for given that RB makes the blindside block


So Hall did the right thing, Beanie's bad decision made that there was no time for the throw.

This has happened before many times in different shapes. How many times have we seen Warner look to the left immediately and thinking Levi has his blindside? Yet what happened ws Levi letting a defender unblocked and hitting KW just before he throws?

KW is a great QB but somtimes you need to decide a throw that you know there is time for given the protection. And the rest, it's up to the blockers, wheter that is offensive tackles, the RB's or TE's. It's the same rule that employs. You need the blockers and need to trust them on some point.

You take the faster of the two unblocked defenders, it's a rule that dates back as long as football has existed, there is no need we discuss it now in 21st century. It's the simplest rule in football that Chris Wells as RB can't undertsand.

And it's laughable at best that you even try to discuss this. It's as simple as it gets: You have two options. 1) Block the faster defender that will give your QB that extra time to get the pass off. 2) Block the slower defender and watch the QB gets destroyed. It's fundamental within the blocking schemes as RB.

It can't be more simple than this.

You can analyse all you want on Halls decision, but the truth is that he GETS the pass off if Wells blocks in another way. So his decision was within the rule of pass protection, in that sense it was the right throw.

 

[Russ Smith]

It obviously makes zero sense to speculate wheter Hall saw the blitz or not. To me the blitz was obvious for Hall before the play even started. Look at it again, the DB comes down seconds before the play starts and it is obvious to any QB, no matter who you are, that there may be a blitz from that side, huge chance, you dont need to even look. He may have been suprised by getting hit that fast, not expected when you have a back and TE blocking there. Based on that, Hall knows his prtection on that side and he obviously sees soemthing on the left side.


What matters was that Hall chose a throw that he had time for considering the blocking scheme. If Beanie makes the block, Hall has the time to make the throw he decided for. That's what matters nothing else. You can try to give excuses for which side he threw to, sometimes you go all in to the left if you see something to the right. There is no rule in football.

What matters is id the QB correctly decided to make a throw he had time for? In this case the QB decided a throw he had time for given that RB makes the blindside block


So Hall did the right thing, Beanie's bad decision made that there was no time for the throw.

This has happened before many times in different shapes. How many times have we seen Warner look to the left immediately and thinking Levi has his blindside? Yet what happened ws Levi letting a defender unblocked and hitting KW just before he throws?

KW is a great QB but somtimes you need to decide a throw that you know there is time for given the protection. And the rest, it's up to the blockers, wheter that is offensive tackles, the RB's or TE's. It's the same rule that employs. You need the blockers and need to trust them on some point.

You take the faster of the two unblocked defenders, it's a rule that dates back as long as football has existed, there is no need we discuss it now in 21st century. It's the simplest rule in football that Chris Wells as RB can't undertsand.

And it's laughable at best that you even try to discuss this. It's as simple as it gets: You have two options. 1) Block the faster defender that will give your QB that extra time to get the pass off. 2) Block the slower defender and watch the QB gets destroyed. It's fundamental within the blocking schemes as RB.

It can't be more simple than this.

You can analyse all you want on Halls decision, but the truth is that he GETS the pass off if Wells blocks in another way. So his decision was within the rule of pass protection, in that sense it was the right throw.

Tell it to Whiz since he apparently told Somers today that the fault was on Max for holding the ball too long. Said Beanie blocked the right guy but Max didn't get the ball out fast enough.

I don't agree with lots of things Whiz does, but I do think he probably knows who was supposed to do what on that play better than you or I do.

 

[Early]

Tell it to Whiz since he apparently told Somers today that the fault was on Max for holding the ball too long. Said Beanie blocked the right guy but Max didn't get the ball out fast enough.

I don't agree with lots of things Whiz does, but I do think he probably knows who was supposed to do what on that play better than you or I do.

It can't be more simple than that. There is no way you can ask a RB to block the slower of the two unblocked defenders.

If that is the case, i can suddenly see why KW was the most hit QB in football and why the trend continues with other QB's

But it's not, Whisenhunts comment can just as well be that he wants to protect beanie and have decided to bench Hall, give up om him. That is much more likely.

If somebody is completely unreliable in what he says to the media, it gotta be Whisenhunt. I don't believe anything of what that man says to the media. In fact i never even listen to his press conferences or interviews, i rather much interpret what he decides during the games.

 

[kerouac9]

It can't be more simple than that. There is no way you can ask a RB to block the slower of the two unblocked defenders.

If that is the case, i can suddenly see why KW was the most hit QB in football and why the trend continues with other QB's

But it's not, Whisenhunts comment can just as well be that he wants to protect beanie and have decided to bench Hall, give up om him. That is much more likely.

If somebody is completely unreliable in what he says to the media, it gotta be Whisenhunt. I don't believe anything of what that man says to the media. In fact i never even listen to his press conferences or interviews, i rather much interpret what he decides during the games.

I think you're Danny White, so there's no way that you can be convinced of this, but RBs are always instructed to block inside-out. Always. Because there's NO ONE there to help if someone comes free in inside protection, and they have the shortest path to the QB. On the outside you have Patrick and Keith/Brown who can at least get in a guy's way.

Always always always block inside-out if you're an RB. Always.

 

[kerouac9]

http://stats.cleveland.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=24281&team=22

40.5% of Max Hall's incompletions are charted as "poor throw."

 

[Russ Smith]

I think you're Danny White, so there's no way that you can be convinced of this, but RBs are always instructed to block inside-out. Always. Because there's NO ONE there to help if someone comes free in inside protection, and they have the shortest path to the QB. On the outside you have Patrick and Keith/Brown who can at least get in a guy's way.

Always always always block inside-out if you're an RB. Always.

Patrick had already run by both players.

My guess is Patrick's "hot route" on that blitz was where he went.

 

[Early]

I think you're Danny White, so there's no way that you can be convinced of this, but RBs are always instructed to block inside-out. Always. Because there's NO ONE there to help if someone comes free in inside protection, and they have the shortest path to the QB. On the outside you have Patrick and Keith/Brown who can at least get in a guy's way.

Always always always block inside-out if you're an RB. Always.

It¨s not true. You block the guy that is going to hit the QB first. Most of the time it's the one that has the shortest path. But in some cases like this, you have to block the outside rusher because he is clearly hitting your QB before the inside defender. It's a simple option and Timmy has done this several times, which just proves it's part of our scheme as well as any other teams.

It's just common logic, you are insane if you ask your RB to block the slowest defender.

Now you look from inside out, that is the rule, but it does not mean that in every situation the fastest defender is the one from inside.

You give your QB most possible time. In this case most possible time is provided by block on the outside rusher. It just can't be more simple than that. Inside out rule is there for sure, but fastest defender rule has been there for even longer time in professional football.