Game over, man!! King is done

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King's future in question
Surgery on wrist to keep DT out 8 to 12 weeks


Kent Somers
The Arizona Republic
Aug. 9, 2006 12:00 AM



FLAGSTAFF - Defensive lineman Kenny King's future with the team is in doubt because of his decision to undergo surgery to remove a plate from his right wrist.

That surgery is expected to keep King out between eight to 12 weeks, which will cause him to miss the opening of the season. It will be the third straight year that King has had surgery on the wrist.

It also could mean that King will be placed on injured reserve for the third straight year. If that happens, he'll be paid his salary of $721,600, unless an injury settlement is reached.


When asked if King could return this year, coach Dennis Green said, "I'm not sure what it means at all. I've been here three years; he's had two weeks of work."
King expected to have the plate removed at the end of the season, but plans changed after he suffered a broken hand last week in practice. The wrist has healed, and the plate apparently was restricting mobility in the joint and might have contributed to the injury, King said.

King said he didn't think his latest setback would affect his ability to contribute this season.

"You got four preseason games, then you got another four weeks, so I'm looking to come back during the sixth week of the season," he said.

His absence presents the club with some depth problems at end. Antonio Smith is the only experienced backup. The club could move linebacker Calvin Pace, a former end, back to that position for some spot duty. That's not a likely option, however, because the Cardinals are also thin at strong outside linebacker.


Things are changing
The defensive line will look a bit different this year, not only in how it lines up but in how it plays.

There will be some alignment changes designed to help the nose tackle to use his hands, a technique that new line coach Larry Brooks is emphasizing for all the defensive linemen.

A premium still will be placed on penetration, but it's hoped the changes will allow the linemen to get off blocks more efficiently.

"It's definitely a penetration-oriented defense," said defensive coordinator Clancy Pendergast, "just the ways to get the penetration are different."

The change isn't a drastic one, said defensive end Bertrand Berry.

"You play football long enough and you'll play pretty much every style there is," he said. "This is basically going back to the fundamentals. It's really not that big of deal. Guys have adapted to it pretty quick."


No Leinart
There was little news Tuesday regarding contract negotiations with quarterback Matt Leinart, but Green hinted that part of the problem might be Leinart's representatives not accepting that the quarterback wasn't taken higher than No. 10.

"I just know this," he said. "There were 10 picks. We got our 10th pick and we got our player. We had 10th pick money. Everybody's got to get used to being the 10th pick."

Leinart is the only pick in this year's draft who has not signed.

It's believed one unresolved issue is so-called "escalators" - play-time incentive clauses that would trigger salary hikes in the last years of the contract.

The contract of the 11th pick, Denver quarterback Jay Cutler, should give the two sides a template for a deal. Cutler received about $11 million in guarantees.

If Cutler plays in 60 percent of the team's offensive plays in each of his first three seasons, which isn't likely, he'll receive an addition $4 million in the fifth year and $12 million in the last year of the deal.

Or, if he plays 70 percent in the fourth year, which is more likely, he'll receive those pay raises.

If Cutler pans out as a player, the team likely will renegotiate before he reaches that final year.
 
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I agree. I said as much after his last injury. He's going to be a guy that bounces around the NFL and has some good partial seasons, IMO, but probably won't play another down for the Cardinals.
 

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Cardsmasochist said:
There was little news Tuesday regarding contract negotiations with quarterback Matt Leinart, but Green hinted that part of the problem might be Leinart's representatives not accepting that the quarterback wasn't taken higher than No. 10.

"I just know this," he said. "There were 10 picks. We got our 10th pick and we got our player. We had 10th pick money. Everybody's got to get used to being the 10th pick."

Well this comes as a surprise ... to no one.
 
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Pariah said:
I agree. I said as much after his last injury. He's going to be a guy that bounces around the NFL and has some good partial seasons, IMO, but probably won't play another down for the Cardinals.

As long as he doesn't turn into another KVB after he leaves the Cardinals.
 

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When asked if King could return this year, coach Dennis Green said, "I'm not sure what it means at all. I've been here three years; he's had two weeks of work."
:biglaugh: I love D. Green. Mac would be blaming himslef.
 

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Cardsmasochist said:
As long as he doesn't turn into another KVB after he leaves the Cardinals.


and well it could be....potential is just that...here is a guy who unfortunatley has been bitten by the injury bug....if you made the decision...do you take up a roster spot....or give it to a guy who is lucky enough to be out there every day bustin' his tail....it is too bad but that is life.
 

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So they take the plate off and he needs about 8 weeks for the broken hand to heal or something like that. Then he goes back to action let's say sometime after that with his wrist unprotected by a steel plate. Because of that his wrist gets broken again after a couple of weeks of action. It's like a dog chasing his tail! Obviously I am taking a pessimistic point of view here and hopefully I am wrong and last but not least I'm no doctor but I just have a feeling of something like this happening.:sad:
 

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You can't lose something you never had. When and if he comes back, he better come to play or he will be history.

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seesred said:
You can't lose something you never had. When and if he comes back, he better come to play or he will be history.

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We don't want to end up like the Chicago Cubs who keep depending on Kerry Wood and Mark Prior every year only to see them spend a majority of the season on the DL and the Cubs end up 15 games out of first place.
 

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Can someone please explain to me why he can't play with a cast?

I believe he already tried that last season. And his wrist still broke.
 

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Odds seem 50-50 that the topic of this thread is right. (It also means that it's 50-50 the topic overstates the situation).

8 - 12 weeks means he misses anywhere from the first 4 games to probably after the Bye Week.

As I read it, Kenny was planning to have the plate removed from the wrist at the end of the season anyway. He probably figured he'd make lemon-aide out of the broken hand by fixing the wrist at the same time. That way, he'd be totally ready midway thru the season (or sooner) rather than having to wait things out til 2007.

I can see why DG would be p*ssed. Leinart can't go. King can't go. Dansby can't go. He needs all his players on the field and he's missing three of them.

But to say he's "done?" We have little to lose by being more patient.
 

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Cardsmasochist said:
The wrist has healed, and the plate apparently was restricting mobility in the joint and might have contributed to the injury, King said.

It seems to me that he WANTS to play RIGHT and stop the injury-go-round. I think that's what I would feel.

Pete
 

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Duckjake said:
We don't want to end up like the Chicago Cubs who keep depending on Kerry Wood and Mark Prior every year only to see them spend a majority of the season on the DL and the Cubs end up 15 games out of first place.

took the words out of my mouth!!! lucky i read your post first...too bad but we have to cut bait.
 

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JeffGollin said:
Odds seem 50-50 that the topic of this thread is right. (It also means that it's 50-50 the topic overstates the situation).

8 - 12 weeks means he misses anywhere from the first 4 games to probably after the Bye Week.

As I read it, Kenny was planning to have the plate removed from the wrist at the end of the season anyway. He probably figured he'd make lemon-aide out of the broken hand by fixing the wrist at the same time. That way, he'd be totally ready midway thru the season (or sooner) rather than having to wait things out til 2007.

I can see why DG would be p*ssed. Leinart can't go. King can't go. Dansby can't go. He needs all his players on the field and he's missing three of them.

But to say he's "done?" We have little to lose by being more patient.

Don't forget about the 100% chance he snaps his wrist again in week 10.
 

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Anybody want to buy a Kenny King autographed picture? Here's one from a rare appearance in a pre-season game.

Nothin' like shopping in Kenny King's e-store (which is also hosted by Karlos Dansby's e-store). So much good stuff to be had there . . .

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IMO the Cards should drop him as soon as they can. If they have to put up some money for an injury settlement, so be it. Just get him out of here.
 

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With as well as Langston Moore is apparently playing, King may have not made the squad anyways. King would be primarily a backup DT.
 

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Scott MS said:
With as well as Langston Moore is apparently playing, King may have not made the squad anyways. King would be primarily a backup DT.

Actually, he was backing up Bertrand Berry at DE. I like Antonio Smith, but King might still be a better pass rusher...
 

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He's listed as DT/LDE, but you're right that he plays both. Pace/Smith would have been the DE backups, but with Pace to LB, there seems to be an opportunity for Tyler King or Schable to make the squad while Kenny King is out.
 

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Let's all face reality. King is finished. He has missed two seasons and best case will be out for half of this season. Why spend any money on him? Put someone in his place that wants to play. He will never be a NFL player.
 

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