Gannon roasted for pep talk

[RON_IN_OC]

You do realize that we have a roster full of below average starters? We're never getting out of the cellar until we have more good to great players. Both Allen/Murphy are growing and improving. These are the kind of guys that good orgs retain.

You can't just keep drafting replacements without retaining some of your talent and expect to win.

That talent has to want to stay. Murphy didn't. Allen said being with VJ was a huge reason he went to Broncos.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

That talent has to want to stay.

Seems like the #1 problem to fix - guys don't want to be here!

 

[Krangodnzr]

You do realize that we have a roster full of below average starters? We're never getting out of the cellar until we have more good to great players. Both Allen/Murphy are growing and improving. These are the kind of guys that good orgs retain.

You can't just keep drafting replacements without retaining some of your talent and expect to win.

The Rams just won a Super Bowl letting the Allens and the Murphys of their rosters walk. I fully expect Cam Thomas to be as good or better than Allen. Murphy has been good, but not great. There are probably 60 CBs near or at his tier of play.

My point is that losing both won't have a dramatic effect one way or another.

 

[Stout]

You do realize that we have a roster full of below average starters? We're never getting out of the cellar until we have more good to great players. Both Allen/Murphy are growing and improving. These are the kind of guys that good orgs retain.

You can't just keep drafting replacements without retaining some of your talent and expect to win.

So much this. So many people just shrug when our talent walks out the door. You don't just need superstars and game breakers. You need lunch pail guys, average joes, JAGs, and those above average but below stardom. Two of those guys left and haven't been adequately replaced. Maybe some draft picks step in and fill the gap, but will they be as good? And that's just spinning your wheels anyway, because if it works out, all you've done is maintained the status quo on having a below-average roster. We need to not just maintain, but add. Simply creating our own holes and filling those holes won't improve this roster.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

The Rams just won a Super Bowl letting the Allens and the Murphys of their rosters walk. I fully expect Cam Thomas to be as good or better than Allen. Murphy has been good, but not great. There are probably 60 CBs near or at his tier of play.

My point is that losing both won't have a dramatic effect one way or another.

Again, you always put these situations in a vacuum - what you're failing to see is the cumulative effect of letting good players go. By not properly drafting/training/retaining players, we've accumulated the least talented roster in the NFL, a roster predicted to win 2 fewer games than ANY OTHER TEAM.

You can't just draft your way to competitiveness, especially when your talent bolts as soon as they've done their time here.

Item #1 for any chance of turning this ship around will be to make the Cards no longer the armpit of the NFL.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Again, you always put these situations in a vacuum - what you're failing to see is the cumulative effect of letting good players go.

I see it fine thank you very much.

By not properly drafting/training/retaining players, we've accumulated the least talented roster in the NFL, a roster predicted to win 2 fewer games than ANY OTHER TEAM.

No, you are looking at moves made years ago and judging this move based on the past

You can't just draft your way to competitiveness, especially when your talent bolts as soon as they've done their time here.

How many of the Chiefs top players were found in FA? You absolutely can draft your way to being competitive.

Item #1 for any chance of turning this ship around will be to make the Cards no longer the armpit of the NFL.

Signing slightly above replacement players doesn't move the needle.

 

[Dayman]

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[Proximo]

Seems like the #1 problem to fix - guys don't want to be here!

DUH

You know how you fix that, draft well, coach well, and get a reputation of treating players well. Signing overpriced free agents who are simply mercenaries isn't going to make that happen.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

DUH

So obvious it's never been addressed.

You know how you fix that, draft well, coach well, and get a reputation of treating players well.

Would love to see all of that.

Signing overpriced free agents who are simply mercenaries isn't going to make that happen.

I don't think anyone has suggested this, but good job destroying that straw man!

 

[Ronin]

Hi guys!

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Hi guys!

Hello

 

[Proximo]

So obvious it's never been addressed.

So you don't think gutting the coaching staff, the GM, and the training staff is not an attempt to address it? Is it enough, maybe not, but it's the best we are likely to get with this ownership.

I don't think anyone has suggested this, but good job destroying that straw man!

A straw man? There are many posters on here complaining we didn't sign any quality free agents this off season - that's what I am talking about.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

So you don't think gutting the coaching staff, the GM, and the training staff is not an attempt to address it? Is it enough, maybe not, but it's the best we are likely to get with this ownership.

It's an attempt. We'll see if the choices Bidwill made pan out.

A straw man? There are many posters on here complaining we didn't sign any quality free agents this off season - that's what I am talking about.

You didn't say quality free agents - you said overpriced mercenaries.

 

[oaken1]

So give me your thoughts on Herbert.

ya didnt ask me...buuut... Herbert is right where he needs to be. As long as he is second best to Mahomes in the afcwest nobody will ever question why he didnt get sandy eggo a Lombardi

 

[oaken1]

Just for the record... I aint a darksider...not quite a kool aider but I have my moments...and the truth is I would in fact revel in an 0 and 17 season...if the alternative is 8 and 9.... the disaster season at least gets you the opportunity to grab a legit difference maker in the draft.... I mean, we all know guys like Watt and AD were drafted in the middle of the first round but your chances just feel so much better with a top 3 pick than they do with a mid round pick...partially because that draft position also translates to every other round as well.

on questioning fandom...I have been accused of such previously. But I dont really question fandom. I question sanity as a human being. Humans are drawn to things that bring them pleasure and joy and repel things that bring pain or danger...its instinctive. So if a team brings you nothing but negativity and stress it seems only logical that if you love football you would seek out a team that didnt flood your life with negativity,,,unless negativity is your kink or something.
Much like Choppers analogy of the cheating wife.... if your wife treated you so poorly you would most certainly leave and find another.... unless somehow you enjoyed the abuse. In which case, you need therapy...and probably medication.
so, in the few cases I have suggested someone should seek out a different team...it is purely because I am looking out for their mental health.

I mean hell, I grew up a Raiders fan. It was nice in the eighties... but damn...between them and the cardinals there has been very little joy in football.
So I start every season predicting we go undefeated. Its a mindset, because if you dont believe you are going to win why the hell are you even playing?? Then as the season moves forward, I assess what we have to work with. what needs to change.... and by Christmas...its all about the future, lol...because it obviously isnt about now.
Hopefully. This massive reorganization has the desired long term effect. Most of us are too damned old to wait another 20 years for a Lombardi Trophy...and I remember what that feels like...all you dudes deserve to feel it.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Just for the record... I aint a darksider...not quite a kool aider but I have my moments...and the truth is I would in fact revel in an 0 and 17 season...if the alternative is 8 and 9....

The only way I can accept a winless season, is if you can clearly see the issue is talent (lack of) and not coaching or leadership.

 

[TheCardFan]

No way on a winless season.

1-16...sure. 0-17...no way.

 

[Solar7]

I haven't really read this thread so I'll just plant my flag right now - I like Gannon for his answers and style of coaching on the field, plus we've won two preseason games. I can only say so much before real games have been played, but I'm way more excited for him than I was KK.

 

[Krangodnzr]

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Cringe...

 

[Krangodnzr]

DUH

You know how you fix that, draft well, coach well, and get a reputation of treating players well. Signing overpriced free agents who are simply mercenaries isn't going to make that happen.

The history of free agency is littered with failures. Premium picks have a much higher hit rates.

 

[oaken1]

The only way I can accept a winless season, is if you can clearly see the issue is talent (lack of) and not coaching or leadership.

Winless will guarantee change rather it be talent or coaching... being stuck at pick 15 and up while never winning in the playoffs is the worst

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Winless will guarantee change rather it be talent or coaching... being stuck at pick 15 and up while never winning in the playoffs is the worst

I get that...I guess I don't want to see another 1 year coaching change.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Is ridiculing a positive post any different than saying to stop posting positive posts? Asking for a friend.

Not saying you did Ouchie. Just curious is all. Because it happens a lot.

I think that’s an symptom of the back and forth. I don’t think it used to occur that much until the attacks on posters became as prevalent as they’ve been. But that also doesn’t mean I support it.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

That talent has to want to stay. Murphy didn't. Allen said being with VJ was a huge reason he went to Broncos.

It’s the organizations job to figure out how to get players to stay and to attract FAs. To rely on only players whose lifelong dream it is to be an Arizona cardinal is a recipe for disaster.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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I don’t understand the sleeveless hoodie