Gannon roasted for pep talk

[dreamcastrocks]

Okay, let's try to get back on topic.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

DCR, I think you’re getting pushback bc you only commented on the name calling and not the questioning if fandom. It enhances the appearance that on ASFN you can attack people if their football take is negative. I get it, policing all those attacks can take a lot outta mods, there are a lot and they’re constant. But ignoring it only emboldens and encourages it.

I get that. It is a much finer line to draw though. If we really want to get granular, the entire darksider/koolaider would fall into this too.

How far and how strict we want to enforce this policy should be made at a higher level than just me.

 

[Garthshort]

This is one of the worst arguments in sports because it fails to consider that it’s legendary because it happens once in a lifetime. But sure, keep hoping we signed a bunch of future Brady’s. No issue with setting unrealistic expectations.

Don't need a BUNCH, I'll settle for just one. As you well know, I only used Brady to point out that MANY stars were backups at one point. But if you want to make it something that I never intended, so be it.

 

[Stout]

There are a dozen Murphy's and Allen's available every FA window.

Then why are people insisting there were no FAs who could help us in our long-term rebuild?

 

[Stout]

Right?

But you keep telling me these unicorns didn't exist in this last FA window.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

But you keep telling me these unicorns didn't exist in this last FA window.

I said that I wouldn't have signed anyone to a large multiyear contract this window.

 

[Stout]

I said that I wouldn't have signed anyone to a large multiyear contract this window.

But you agreed there were a bunch of Allens and Murphys in every FA window. Seems contradictory, as we could use--and must have, really--players of this caliber in the rebuild. You can't just plug nobodies into the roster in perpetuity and expect to succeed.

 

[PACardsFan]

You are clearly focusing on one part of the rule, and not the spirit of the rule in general.

If you can't make a point without name calling, don't make it. What you said IS a personal attack. Period.

They do this routinely to those on this board that support the positive aspects of being a fan. And their buddies who just love to stir the pot of negativity come their rescue as if they cannot fight their own battles. IMO, there is a time and place for all the negativity. One week before the season opener when we’re 0-0 isn’t that time, especially when you have an entirely new FO and coaching staff that’s trying to build something long lasting, which is something I’ve never seen even attempted in the long history of Bidwill ownership. Trust me, no one on this board has been more critical of the Bidwill family ownership than I have. But, I shouldn’t be condemned for being loyal to my team. I’ve early on supported every HC the Cardinals have ever had until it was obvious that changes needed to be made. IMO, that’s what a fan base should do regardless of whether that said franchise has been a poor one.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

They do this routinely to those on this board that support the positive aspects of being a fan. And their buddies who just love to stir the pot of negativity come their rescue as if they cannot fight their own battles. IMO, there is a time and place for all the negativity. One week before the season opener when we’re 0-0 isn’t that time, especially when you have an entirely new FO and coaching staff that’s trying to build something long lasting, which is something I’ve never seen even attempted in the long history of Bidwill ownership. Trust me, no one on this board has been more critical of the Bidwill family ownership than I have. But, I shouldn’t be condemned for being loyal to my team. I’ve early on supported every HC the Cardinals have ever had until it was obvious that changes needed to be made. IMO, that’s what a fan base should do regardless of whether that said franchise has been a poor one.

Both sides are equally guilty of this.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

But you agreed there were a bunch of Allens and Murphys in every FA window. Seems contradictory, as we could use--and must have, really--players of this caliber in the rebuild. You can't just plug nobodies into the roster in perpetuity and expect to succeed.

In a normal offseason, I would agree with you. This is not a normal offseason though. Flexibility is what they are going for.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

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[BritCard]

If you are giving someone a multi year contract, age and how it fits into the prime of player's careers at that position you probably should care about age.

It's a factor. It's not THE factor you (like many fans) make it out to be.

Outside of QB most players rotate every 3-4 years. Especially mid guys like Allen and Murphy. Those guys I'm not fussed about age.

The guys teams are signing in FA are supplemental pieces, not corners stones. If your building your foundation in FA you're doing it wrong.

The top paid non QB this year was 30 year old Javon Hargrave. Would you rather have 3 years of Hargrave or Allen? Because I suspect Allen will never get near Hargrave level. Hell, I prefer JJ Watt for 2 years at $14m to what Allen got.

The best paid FA OL was 28.5. The best paid WR was 30.

Teams don't care about age nearly as much as fans. They want quality play for the life of the deal, they could care less if the guy is 25 or 29.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Don't need a BUNCH, I'll settle for just one. As you well know, I only used Brady to point out that MANY stars were backups at one point. But if you want to make it something that I never intended, so be it.

Just personally, I think using an example other than Brady ends up being more impactful because it’s more realistic.

For instance, I’m hopeful (not optimistic, but hopeful) that maybe we identified a diamond in the rough with Frodo. But all those other guys are likely just what they were at their prior teams, JAGs. In which case they aren’t impactful signings and likely won’t contribute when (if) we finally turn things around, which was the point.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

They do this routinely to those on this board that support the positive aspects of being a fan. And their buddies who just love to stir the pot of negativity come their rescue as if they cannot fight their own battles. IMO, there is a time and place for all the negativity. One week before the season opener when we’re 0-0 isn’t that time, especially when you have an entirely new FO and coaching staff that’s trying to build something long lasting, which is something I’ve never seen even attempted in the long history of Bidwill ownership. Trust me, no one on this board has been more critical of the Bidwill family ownership than I have. But, I shouldn’t be condemned for being loyal to my team. I’ve early on supported every HC the Cardinals have ever had until it was obvious that changes needed to be made. IMO, that’s what a fan base should do regardless of whether that said franchise has been a poor one.

Support is fine. But your setting the standard at blind support. You don’t want anyone to criticize anything yet. I just don’t think that’s fair.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Both sides are equally guilty of this.

To be fair, that’s not true. The folks that make negative observations of the cardinals do not make demands that those that are positive stop making positive comments. That’s not a both sides scenario.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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I hope “bizarre” morphs into “quirky genius.”

 

[BritCard]

I'm trying to be lenient to everybody today.


Since I'm trying to be equal here, it is why I let what you did slide too. Otherwise, you would have been banned again.

What I did was draw a facetious parallel between the well documented 2 tier justice system and what seemed to me to be happening here. It was an obvious joke that broke no rules as far as I can see.

I can't be held responsible for some people being so easily irritated they pop out pearls when they go for a #2.

 

[MadCardDisease]

He was called out for being corny, which he was. No one said it means he is a bad coach. Just a corny one. Similar to the Rondale Moore video from the offseason.

Yeah I still don't see the getting "Roasted" part. Sure the video was cut up kind of strange for those first few seconds talking about arriving in cars vs buses. However I'm surprised that people haven't heard the expression "having fire in your belly". I thought it was a pretty common expression.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

What I did was draw a facetious parallel between the well documented 2 tier justice system and what seemed to me to be happening here. It was an obvious joke that broke no rules as far as I can see.

I know it was a joke; I even mentioned it as such. Still doesn't mean it isn't in poor taste. That doesn't even bring into the fact that you are bringing in a joke that doesn't belong in the Cards forum. Keep that in P&R, if anywhere.

I can't be held responsible for some people being so easily irritated they pop out pearls when they go for a #2.

You can actually. It is the moderator's job to determine if you crossed a line or not.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Yeah I still don't see the getting "Roasted" part. Sure the video was cut up kind of strange for those first few seconds talking about arriving in cars vs buses. However I'm surprised that people haven't heard the expression "having fire in your belly". I thought it was a pretty common expression.

It was the whole 'bus' thing that people are getting in a fuss over. Not really sure why.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

It was the whole 'bus' thing that people are getting in a fuss over. Not really sure why.

Because it's an old blue collar thing to say and youngsters can't relate...also, it was edited weird and without context. It's like the Cardinals video department just thought everyone would know what it meant.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Because it's an old blue collar thing to say and youngsters can't relate...also, it was edited weird and without context. It's like the Cardinals video department just thought everyone would know what it meant.

That's a whole 'nother issue about kids not being able to relate about taking the bus.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

It's a factor. It's not THE factor you (like many fans) make it out to be.

Outside of QB most players rotate every 3-4 years. Especially mid guys like Allen and Murphy. Those guys I'm not fussed about age.

The guys teams are signing in FA are supplemental pieces, not corners stones. If your building your foundation in FA you're doing it wrong.

That's why you sign them before they hit free agency...retention of improving personnel is the key to long term success. We train them up for other teams to use. That's doing it wrong!

On top of that, people are kvetching at the price for guys like Murphy and Allen - inevitably in 2 years those deals will seem much more reasonable, just like Kirk.

 

[Mainstreet]

Different reasons and different times, but a lot of kids know what riding a bus to school is like.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I hope “bizarre” morphs into “quirky genius.”

I've seen coaches hold out who is starting at QB literally dozens of times. That is the dumbest criticism to date.

Gannon is a little awkward sure, but he is also very confident. Awkwardness becomes a problem when people aren't confident.