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Thats because until this game, the interior of our line has played well.
Ah gotcha. I never was aware of the fact that the Dline was the ones keeping a RB from going 1 on 1 with a MLB and steam rolling directly over him.
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Ah gotcha. I never was aware of the fact that the Dline was the ones keeping a RB from going 1 on 1 with a MLB and steam rolling directly over him.
If you arent aware that DT's protect MLB's then obviously dont know football. SOme of the better MLB in football are ala Ray Lewis were as good as they are because of who they have in front them.
Also about your 1 on 1 comment and the picture posted in this thread. You dont know if Hayes could have been knocked off balance or out of position prior to being hit by Green or what. There have been many plays thsi year where Hayes has flat out leveled RB's. But you like to focus on 1 game for some reason or another.
Check the rushing stats for many of the really good teams we have faced earlier in the year and review the tapes. Hayes has been EXTREMELY SOLID!
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He got ran over 1 on 1 with the RB 6+ times. How is that the fault of the DT??? Your football knowledge is whack man. If it isnt in Hayes's job description to tackle a RB 1 on 1 then cut him now.
I was at the game. I saw and cringed each time it happened. The same thing would ahve happened if you or I were at MLB. I would expect a bit more from an NFL MLB than what you or I could do.
On one of the plays he was off balanced a little. The rest he got straight plowed over. Just like a guy that stopped roiding.
Once again 1 game. He was an absolute stud in the Bears games and many others. Just look at the rushing results and the tapes. I have watched every single game more than once(unfortunately) and the guy has been playing at an extremely high level and making big plays.
You going to GB and seeing what you saw does not change that.
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You are kidding right? DT's dont protect the MLB? Yes, Hayes should be able to make a 1on1 tackle more often than not. But you are arguing two points at the same time.
Oh, and everytime I saw Kurt Warner go back for a pass, I cringed. Is that only Kurt's fault? No, the lineman, RB, and even the WRs not getting open all contribute.
Please, think without blinders.
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What the hell are you reading?
I said, perfectly clear, that if a RB goes against a MLB ONE ON ONE that means the line did its job.
Again, if you think it is NOT Hayes's job to tackle a RB ONE ON ONE then you are getting what you deserve.
FACT: Hayes got plowed under 6+ SIX PLUS times by a RB. Hey if that is success to you then you must be loving this season!
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Im nto sure whats worse. That Hayes is the new golden child like players past that siuck but are loved for it. Or the fact that we have posters that believe a MLB's job is not to tackle a RB one on one and that if a MLB is put into a one on one situation its the lines fault. LMAO
FACT: You're only loking at one game, and not his season as a whole.
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No I addressed that as well. But I got sidetracked by the fact that a MLB is not responsible for 1 on 1 tackles because its the lines fault.
Hayes looked good to me in 1 game. Out of eight to me. And coincidently we are 1-7.
Maybe I am wanting more than the rest of you. Sorry. I would love to have a winning season.
When your 1-7 its more than just coaching. Our 'core OL, DL and MLB are just plain awful. I still have hope for Gabe tho.
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I have decided to refer to Gerald hayes as the new Ray Thompson title holder.
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Take a deep breath. Were all upset about the season. If your so sure about Hayes then maybe you should go back an watch the rest of the games we have played. He has played so well, the we are still arguing with you about it, even when its clear you wont give it up even if he made the probowl...
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Let's not forget to throw AJ Hawk on the scrap heap too, afterall he met Edge right in the hole at the goalline and let Edge run right through him for the TD.
Any LB worth his salt would stop the guy EVERY time.
Hayes is one guy I'm not worried about, the defense quit on Sunday, it happens on teams that don't believe in their coaching staff.
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Again, it happens once in awhile Russ. I suggest you watch the GB game again.
If Hayes is the one guy you arent worried about then wow we must have an awful defense through and through. Ill take Gabe, Berry, Dockett, Wilson, Darling, Dansby, Rolle, Tate, Macklin and Green over Hayes. And some of those guys I listed will never be on a winning cardinals roster.
If Hayes is the one guy you arent worried about then wow we must have an awful defense through and through. Ill take Gabe, Berry, Dockett, Wilson, Darling, Dansby, Rolle, Tate, Macklin and Green over Hayes. And some of those guys I listed will never be on a winning cardinals roster.
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Yep everytime I look at 340+ pound Gabe Watson the word pee wee comes to mind.
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Hmm I didnt see gabe much in GB. Seems another shred of proof we didnt watch the same game. Because as I am sure you understand I distictly mentioned 'While watching the GB game'
Here ya go Russ since you failed to read the post.
"Watching ti live for the first time I didnt realise how our DT'd and MLB were like pee wee players comapred to the opposition."
And also the Pee Wee football wasnt in terms of height/weight, general size. It meant it is what would happen if you lined up a pee wee team against an NFL team. Pure demoloshing of the line and mlb.
No I addressed that as well. But I got sidetracked by the fact that a MLB is not responsible for 1 on 1 tackles because its the lines fault.
Hayes looked good to me in 1 game. Out of eight to me. And coincidently we are 1-7.
Maybe I am wanting more than the rest of you. Sorry. I would love to have a winning season.
When your 1-7 its more than just coaching. Our 'core OL, DL and MLB are just plain awful. I still have hope for Gabe tho.
Ha. If he looked good in 1 game then you need serious help. Go see a doctor for that. Either that or you are just saying that to help strengthen your bogus cause that he should be cut.
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Well you got me! I mean the record and defensive numbers support everything you say. not!
Unless you hold Hayes to the past cardinal MLB standard of tackles 8 yards down field. He isnt too shabby at that.
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Look all I am saying is that IMO Gerald "Ray Thompson" Hayes is a below average MLB that looks decent tackling for 4-8 yard runs because of a bad dline.
If your argument is that he would be a pro bowler behind a great dline, well, I hate to tell you this but most MLB's that make the Pro Bowl have great lines.
If you have a bad line, the few times you get to go mano e mano against a RB you need to level him. Not lay down and humilate yourself.
If your argument is that he would be a pro bowler behind a great dline, well, I hate to tell you this but most MLB's that make the Pro Bowl have great lines.
If you have a bad line, the few times you get to go mano e mano against a RB you need to level him. Not lay down and humilate yourself.
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Gabe was #98, you know the guy that STARTED at DT in the game. He didn't have a single tackle in the game, which I would argue is a big reason why our run defense stunk Sunday, Watson was outplayed. Should improve when we get clancy back since anybody who saw Watson in college knew his problem was he wears down very quickly and can only be effective in a part time role. Due to Clancy being out he's played quite a bit, had some terrific moments but he wore out.
So back to Hayes, just so we're clear are you as sure of your opinion on him as you were of "JJ is a wimp and doesn't belong in the NFL?" You know the same guy that 2 weeks ago you said will "be a star in the NFL?"
I'm not saying you didn't see what saw, I'm just saying we're all prone to overreacting, especially when a team is 1-7.
I am surprised that you think Rolle has outplayed Hayes this season the best game Rolle had all year was the Bears and even in that game he dropped 2 INT's thrown right to him, got beat deep on the first play of the game(bad throw) and got away with a blatant PI.
Nobody is saying Hayes is Ray Lewis in his prime, but he's not the problem on this team.
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Gabe did start, and I dont have the play by play stats/roster but I would be shocked if he played 35% of the game. Unless he snuck in at the last second each play because he stood right in front of me on the sidelines most of the game.
I think Rolle is outstanding and is totally misused. You got me on JJ. I guess no one is right 100% of the time. I think he has serious talent now but we will never know until he is on another team unfortunately. Unless James quits or retires.
Here are Hayes stats at the midway point
Solo Ast Total
vs Atlanta 6 2 8
vs Chicago 6 1 7
vs Green Bay 2 2 4
vs Kansas City 2 0 2
vs Oakland 10 3 13
vs San Fran 5 0 5
vs Seattle 4 0 4
vs St.Louis 8 2 10
I wouldnt lose sleep if we drafted an NFL caliber MLB. I wish they had a 'Road graded' column or a tackle for loss column. Both would be true indictators.
Swd you are flat out wrong. I've watched the entire game in slow motion /stop action and only once did Hayes get run over 1 on 1 with a RB. Hayes slightly overran the play and was slightly off balance when the guy hit him.
The exact same thing that happened to AJ Hawk when Edge ran over him on James TD.
In the 4th quarter Hayes had two 1 on 1 plays with the Packer FB. Hayes made the stop at the spot both times.
What happened did Hayes not shake your hand or sign an autograph for you?
If you want to knock Hayes do it for overrunning plays or doing an Adrian Wilson imitation on his tackles but saying he gets run over time after time is bogus.
The exact same thing that happened to AJ Hawk when Edge ran over him on James TD.
In the 4th quarter Hayes had two 1 on 1 plays with the Packer FB. Hayes made the stop at the spot both times.
What happened did Hayes not shake your hand or sign an autograph for you?
If you want to knock Hayes do it for overrunning plays or doing an Adrian Wilson imitation on his tackles but saying he gets run over time after time is bogus.
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SWD that's what I meant with regards to watson, he wears out quickly so he was a non factor against Green Bay. Cooper played quite a bit in that game and at about 280 pounds he struggles against the run. He's been much better than I expected since we signed him but he's a tweener DE/DT and playing next to Dockett they're going to get blown up. That's why Green keeps saying getting Clancy back will help the run defense, it will allow him to play Watson in spurts, and pick and choose when they play Cooper.
Hayes is on pace for over 100 tackles this year and with all the problems this team has right now, he's been the one LB you can count on every week to play. The others are either inconistent, or banged up all the time.
If I were going to say any Card player looked like a guy who'd been using steroids and stopped, it'd be Dansby, I've been saying it since we drafted him that the reason Dansby fell on draft day in my opinion is NFL teams all assumed his weight at the combine and private workouts was "artificial" and that his history of injuries at Auburn would continue in the NFL.
Hayes is on pace for over 100 tackles this year and with all the problems this team has right now, he's been the one LB you can count on every week to play. The others are either inconistent, or banged up all the time.
If I were going to say any Card player looked like a guy who'd been using steroids and stopped, it'd be Dansby, I've been saying it since we drafted him that the reason Dansby fell on draft day in my opinion is NFL teams all assumed his weight at the combine and private workouts was "artificial" and that his history of injuries at Auburn would continue in the NFL.
