Gibby on the Hot Seat?

[devilalum]

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/mlb/rumors/post?id=14383

Basically says that if the Dbacks don't get it going soon (like in the next 10 games) Gibby will be the first manager to get the axe.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Not going to be easy to hire someone when you fire your third manager midseason in 15 years as a franchise.

 

[Lefty]

If Gibson gets fired, so should Towers, he is the one responsible for taking a part a playoff team.

 

[BC867]

Not going to be easy to hire someone when you fire your third manager midseason in 15 years as a franchise.

Especially after recently extending his contract as well as the GM and keeping the terms hidden from the public, as the article says.

This falls on D-backs President & CEO Derrick Hall, which further supports your point of view.

People outside of Arizona consider our leaders to be the flakiest in the country. Here we go again!

 

[Brian]

Not going to be easy to hire someone when you fire your third manager midseason in 15 years as a franchise.

They'll just promote Trammell until the end of the season I would think.

Overall, I think the organization is very appealing to many people.

I'm not defending Gibby, I don't think he's a good manager, but he can't be completely blamed for the results as of late. He was handed a polished turd of a pitching staff and all of that blame falls squarely on Kevin Towers who I've always thought was overrated.

 

[Broseph]

KT and Gibby should get canned as a package deal.

 

[JS22]

Especially after recently extending his contract as well as the GM and keeping the terms hidden from the public, as the article says.

This falls on D-backs President & CEO Derrick Hall, which further supports your point of view.

People outside of Arizona consider our leaders to be the flakiest in the country. Here we go again!

Flaky, yet there's a lot of buzz about Hall being the next commissioner.

Towers is the one that ruined everything. Gibson is going to end up taking the fall. Which is a shame IMO. I don't love him as a manager but I think he's solid enough, despite Towers making massive changes every year.

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

Most teams do not reveal contract length of their managers and other staff members, though it occasionally leaks anyways. Its very rare for the dollar figure to get let out.

 

[Bert]

Ya cuz it's Gibby's fault we have no pitching. Cuz ya know, he's the one making all the deals.

 

[Phrazbit]

IMO, managers in baseball are of lesser importance than in other sports. Most moves they make are common sense, the only ones that I think truly stand out are the that do so in negative ways by losing control of the club house or destroying pitchers careers through overuse.

There are occasional rare gems of a manager, like LaRussa, Maddux or Mike Scioscia, but even those dudes need a fair amount of talent to actually go anywhere.

I dont agree with everything Gibby does, IMO he over emphasizes the right/left alternation in the batting order, but thats about it. I know some complain about the juggling of the order but when you have no legit leadoff man, and woefully inconsistent hitters outside of a couple guys then I cannot really fault Gibby for trying to mix things up.

I won't shed many tears for Gibby if/when he gets canned, he is hardly inspirational and I dont really think his departure will add or subtract much from this team. But Gibby is just the fall guy for the grossly incompetent people above him.

I wonder if at the press conference when they announce the interim manager Towers will conduct himself with all the self-congratulatory arrogance he usually displays while talking up his latest short sighted blunder... or will he have to restrain himself as he knows a noose is being fitted for his own neck soon.

We can only hope.

 

[Bert]

IMO, managers in baseball are of lesser importance than in other sports. Most moves they make are common sense, the only ones that I think truly stand out are the that do so in negative ways by losing control of the club house or destroying pitchers careers through overuse.

There are occasional rare gems of a manager, like LaRussa, Maddux or Mike Scioscia, but even those dudes need a fair amount of talent to actually go anywhere.

I dont agree with everything Gibby does, IMO he over emphasizes the right/left alternation in the batting order, but thats about it. I know some complain about the juggling of the order but when you have no legit leadoff man, and woefully inconsistent hitters outside of a couple guys then I cannot really fault Gibby for trying to mix things up.

I won't shed many tears for Gibby if/when he gets canned, he is hardly inspirational and I dont really think his departure will add or subtract much from this team. But Gibby is just the fall guy for the grossly incompetent people above him.

I wonder if at the press conference when they announce the interim manager Towers will conduct himself with all the self-congratulatory arrogance he usually displays while talking up his latest short sighted blunder... or will he have to restrain himself as he knows a noose is being fitted for his own neck soon.

We can only hope.

Totally agree with you about Gibby. He has some head scratching moments forsure but anyone who thinks that all this team is lacking is a better manager is bonkers, or they are Kevin Towers... On Burns and Gambo during spring training there was an interview with KT where I was shocked he didn't break his back with all the self congratulating. He just kept saying that he was SUPER EXCITED about the team HE had put together, how they had all the pieces in place to CONTEND for the NL West crown and how he had HIGH EXPECTATIONS for this team. He then went on to gush all over himself for 10 minutes talking about the Tanaka bid and how we had sent a message to the league that we were major players and Agents have to think of us among the Yankees and Dodgers of the league.

I instantly called BS on that entire interview. IMO he was already planting the seed of pinning a losing season on Gibby. Hey I assembled a NL West championship team so obviously it's the managers fault if we suck.

And also IMO that entire Tanaka stunt was a charade from start to finish. Anyone and everyone knew we were NEVER going to out-bid the Yankees. So it was a perfect opportunity for KT to throw a big bid out there so it could be one upped by the Yankees (I mean seriously even if the bids were close was there ever any doubt that Tanaka would choose the Yankees?) Then KT spent the rest of the offseason talking about what theoretical big spenders we are now and how serious everyone has to take us.

 

[az jam]

Ya cuz it's Gibby's fault we have no pitching. Cuz ya know, he's the one making all the deals.

Totally agree. KT has given the DBacks the worst pitching staff in the majors.
Its also the oldest.

 

[kps0001]

I would be OK with keeping Gibby for now but KT needs to go pronto.

 

[devilalum]

Yeah Towers has built a crapwagon but I think this team is better talent wise than their 2-8 record and that's all manager. Also firing Towers won't have any immediate impact. Its gonna take the new guy years to undo what he's done. Replacing the manager "could" light a fire under the team. There are at least 10 guys on the roster that are really under performing.

Also Towers is negotiating from a place of weakness every time he picks up the phone at this point. No team is even going to talk unless he's offering our first born.

I say firem both.

 

[187]

Totally agree with you about Gibby. He has some head scratching moments forsure but anyone who thinks that all this team is lacking is a better manager is bonkers, or they are Kevin Towers... On Burns and Gambo during spring training there was an interview with KT where I was shocked he didn't break his back with all the self congratulating. He just kept saying that he was SUPER EXCITED about the team HE had put together, how they had all the pieces in place to CONTEND for the NL West crown and how he had HIGH EXPECTATIONS for this team. He then went on to gush all over himself for 10 minutes talking about the Tanaka bid and how we had sent a message to the league that we were major players and Agents have to think of us among the Yankees and Dodgers of the league.

I instantly called BS on that entire interview. IMO he was already planting the seed of pinning a losing season on Gibby. Hey I assembled a NL West championship team so obviously it's the managers fault if we suck.

And also IMO that entire Tanaka stunt was a charade from start to finish. Anyone and everyone knew we were NEVER going to out-bid the Yankees. So it was a perfect opportunity for KT to throw a big bid out there so it could be one upped by the Yankees (I mean seriously even if the bids were close was there ever any doubt that Tanaka would choose the Yankees?) Then KT spent the rest of the offseason talking about what theoretical big spenders we are now and how serious everyone has to take us.

KT is such a douche. I don't really care what we do with Gibson, this team is going nowhere but towards mediocrity as long as that clown is calling the shots in the front office. Even if Corbin was healthy this pitching staff would still be borderline awful, can't believe they threw that much money at Arroyo. He can bring all he wants about how we're 'major players', bronson arroyo was our big pitching move. Brilliant stuff, KT. Can't wait until we call up Bradley, he gets shelled in 3 or 4 starts, and then we ship him off for a bench bat and a reliever. It's the KT Way. But hey, keep on bragging about the roster YOU built Kevin, they are really taking the league by storm.

Will complain more once Trumbo comes back down to earth and goes back to getting punched out on a fourth of his AB's while getting on base at a .300 clip. Can't stand our front office.

 

[az jam]

Yeah Towers has built a crapwagon but I think this team is better talent wise than their 2-8 record and that's all manager. Also firing Towers won't have any immediate impact. Its gonna take the new guy years to undo what he's done. Replacing the manager "could" light a fire under the team. There are at least 10 guys on the roster that are really under performing.

Also Towers is negotiating from a place of weakness every time he picks up the phone at this point. No team is even going to talk unless he's offering our first born.

I say firem both.

So a new manager is going to turn things around with the worst pitching staff in the majors??? Sorry to argue but Towers has totally ruined our farm system by getting rid of so many highly rated prospects for old pitching arms.

 

[az240zz]

So a new manager is going to turn things around with the worst pitching staff in the majors??? Sorry to argue but Towers has totally ruined our farm system by getting rid of so many highly rated prospects for old pitching arms.

Well said

 

[BC867]

I've tried to not do it, but today, following the Dodgers series, I looked at the standings.

Our D'backs have the worst record in all of Major League baseball, with a percentage of .267.

Our home record is 1-8. That'll put hometown fans in the seats and bring in revenue.

It's pathetic!

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I'd be fine with Gibby being collateral damage as long as it meant Towers was a goner.

 

[TJ]

I'd be fine with Gibby being collateral damage as long as it meant Towers was a goner.

It's Whiz/Graves v.2.0. Good coach paired with a crummy GM. Whiz isn't without warts, but many of Graves's poor talent evaluation and negotiation skills got both terminated. Had Keim been the main decision maker instead of Graves, I think Whiz is still here. JMHO.

 

[UncleChris]

I've got this feeling we are going to see Brenly down on the field soon.....

 

[az jam]

I've got this feeling we are going to see Brenly down on the field soon.....

I'm sure that will improve the pitching staff.

 

[FArting]

Give Harkey and Duncan a chance to work their magic.

 

[AzKarl]

Gibson has to take an equal share of the blame. Listening to his press conference after the loss to the Mets was mind numbing. The team is out of sync he mumbled. Well it is his f'n job to get them in sync and at least play fundamentally sound baseball. How many times are we going to see runners picked off base or runners getting caught stretching to take an extra base with no chance? How many times will our pitchers stand on the mound while a runner takes off to second while they are holding the ball? It is the Manager's job to motivate and hold players accountable for poor play. Does this mumbling nincompoop inspire you? What consequence has anyone experienced under Kirk Gibson for poor performance? How about waiving someone who sucks or better yet sending a vet to the minors to get their head out of their butts? This team is way too comfortable and it needs to get a bit of shock treatment. Someone should call someone out and start a fight. This team is devoid of emotion and it will be a long season if somebody in this organization does not shake it up.

 

[BC867]

Ode To Kirk Gibson

To the tune of "Desperado" by the Eagles

DESPERATION

Desperation, why don’t you come to your senses?
You’ve been swingin’ for fences for so long now
Can’t hit a fast one
I know that you got your reasons
These things that are pleasin’ you
Are hurting somehow

Don’t you change your lineup every day
It beats you, not enable
A year of spring training is not your best bet

Now it seems to me bad rosters
Have been laid upon your table
A winning year is something you can’t get

Desperation, oh, you ain’t getting’ no better
Your pain and frustration, you’re mumbling much more
And winning, no winning, just a lot of hoping
Just a matter of time ‘til you’re out the door

Did your hopes rise in the winter time?
Now under the roof the sun don’t shine
It’s hard to tell the good days from the bad
You’re losin’ ‘most every day
Ain’t it sad how the good times go away

Desperation, why don’t you come to your senses
Stop swingin’ for fences, go for line drives
It may be gloomy, but results will be better
You better decide on a plan if you’re gonna survive