Going Down

[Harry]

If Foster, Williams and Davis are gone and assuming the Cards pass on a QB, they should trade down. The best option might be Houston if they like one of the remaining QBs. That trade would be the 13th & the 197th for Houston's 25th, 57th & 89th. My lists may still work except for round 1. If Watson' there I'd likely risk him. Beyond that here are my preferences.

Ramczyk
Conley
Howard
Reddick
McCaffrey
White

 

[Ohcrap75]

I was a little afraid of what the content of this thread was going to be!!

We could fill a lot of holes with this trade

 

[oaken1]

I was a little afraid of what the content of this thread was going to be!!

We could fill a lot of holes with this trade

I was worried as well


Harry....

going down....


just does not seem to go well together

 

[Cardiac]

I'm down with that scenario.

The extra 2nd and 3rd picks would be awesome in this very deep draft.

 

[DutchmanAZ]

I was a little afraid of what the content of this thread was going to be!!

We could fill a lot of holes with this trade

If it had been Jetstream posting I would not have clicked this link .

 

[gmabel830]

Do we fill the holes before or after going down?

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[Yuma]

Liquor in the front, Poker in the rear?

 

[Harry]

C'mon guys I'm so old a guy used to say this to you when you approached the elevator in a department store. You can look up what a department store was on Google.

 

[Ohcrap75]

Sorry for wrecking your thread Harry! I really do like your trade idea though. If one of our top targets isn't there at 13, I would love to trade back. There are so many players that I love in rounds 2-4. It would be great to accumulate as many picks as possible in those rounds.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

C'mon guys I'm so old a guy used to say this to you when you approached the elevator in a department store. You can look up what a department store was on Google.

First thing I thought of. LOL

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[BigRedRage]

If Foster, Williams and Davis are gone and assuming the Cards pass on a QB, they should trade down. The best option might be Houston if they like one of the remaining QBs. That trade would be the 13th & the 197th for Houston's 25th, 57th & 89th. My lists may still work except for round 1. If Watson' there I'd likely risk him. Beyond that here are my preferences.

Ramczyk
Conley
Howard
Reddick
McCaffrey
White

I will disagree with trading down as I do not think 7 rookies make our active roster so drafting 10 might help us find a slightly better pool of the 7 rookies but I think we will end up cutting a portion of who we draft anyway if we trade down for more picks. I would rather trade up at a time where a great player that is a great fit is available than to trade down just for more bodies.

 

[JeffGollin]

C'mon guys I'm so old a guy used to say this to you when you approached the elevator in a department store. You can look up what a department store was on Google.

What's a Google?

 

[Lagerfilled]

I will disagree with trading down as I do not think 7 rookies make our active roster so drafting 10 might help us find a slightly better pool of the 7 rookies but I think we will end up cutting a portion of who we draft anyway if we trade down for more picks. I would rather trade up at a time where a great player that is a great fit is available than to trade down just for more bodies.

Bingo! How many spots do we have to fill???

Palmer 1
Stanton 2
Dysert / TBD 3

Fitz 4
Smoke 5
Jaron 6
Fire 7
Duke 8
Dobson / TBD 9

Jermaine Gresham 10
Troy Niklas 11
Momah / TBD 12
Valles / TBD 13

Hump 14
Iupati 15
AQ Ship 16
Big Boehm 17
Hulk 18
Wetzel 19
Toner 20
Ulrick John 21
Price / TBD 22

Humble Rumble 23
Kerwynning 24
Penny 25
TBD 26

Nkemdiche 27
Peters 28
Mauro 29
Gunter 30
Rucker 31
X Will 32
Pierre 33
Stinson / TBD 34

Chandler Jones 35
$ Deone 36
Los Dirty 37
Junkyard 38
Jarvis Jones 39
KMart 40
Fua 41
GMart / Scooby / TBD 42

Pat P 43
Bethel 44
BWill 45
Bouka / TBD 46

Honey Badger 47
Bethea 48
Branch 49
Miller / TBD 50

Dawson 51
Wile / Leone 52
Brewer 53

I count 9 possibly 10 spots up for grabs. In terms of likely positional upgrades, QB, WR, TE x2, OL, DL, ILB, CB, and S. I think we'll sign a vet RB after the draft who knows how to catch and pass block.

If I had to prioritize the needs in order:

3rd string QBOF
#2 CB
True FS
SiLB
34 DE
Stud RG/LG
Do it all TE
Big WR

 

[Cardiac]

I will disagree with trading down as I do not think 7 rookies make our active roster so drafting 10 might help us find a slightly better pool of the 7 rookies but I think we will end up cutting a portion of who we draft anyway if we trade down for more picks. I would rather trade up at a time where a great player that is a great fit is available than to trade down just for more bodies.

Solid point but I will counter with that trading back in rd 1 and then using picks from next and this year to acquire more picks in rds 2 and 3 makes sense.

 

[Harry]

Take a look at a few of the Pats drafts. By going down you position yourself to go up ahead of anyone else if the opportunity presents. This also seems a better option than taking a player not worth the pick. I think this draft has a hole in it from about the Cards pick down to around 20. Everyone I'm talking to has no consistency of player ranking in that range. Look at 5 decent gurus' mocks and you'll see how jumbled that group is. You are correct the Cards don't need 10 picks (though counting UDFAs they bring more than that in). The point, however, is statistically more high picks likely means more eventual starters. The Pats have been brilliant there too.

 

[oaken1]

Take a look at a few of the Pats drafts. By going down you position yourself to go up ahead of anyone else if the opportunity presents. This also seems a better option than taking a player not worth the pick. I think this draft has a hole in it from about the Cards pick down to around 20. Everyone I'm talking to has no consistency of player ranking in that range. Look at 5 decent gurus' mocks and you'll see how jumbled that group is. You are correct the Cards don't need 10 picks (though counting UDFAs they bring more than that in). The point, however, is statistically more high picks likely means more eventual starters. The Pats have been brilliant there too.

I agree in regards to the hole in talent.... however,...a couple of teams are going to reach...and they will reach...and that makes a really solid chance of a top 10 talent guy landing at 13..
example.... if the top two corners come off the board right away, there will be a run as teams fear they aint getting one...we have runs like that in every draft.
or if foster and Reddick come off early, a team may reach for Cunningham high, or watt...so they don't get left out of the LBer category...if that happens then top rated corners, safety's, and WR's will fall...
but I expect the reaching will be done on QB's and possibly RB's this year

 

[JeffGollin]

I agree in regards to the hole in talent.... however,...a couple of teams are going to reach...and they will reach...and that makes a really solid chance of a top 10 talent guy landing at 13..
example.... if the top two corners come off the board right away, there will be a run as teams fear they aint getting one...we have runs like that in every draft.
or if foster and Reddick come off early, a team may reach for Cunningham high, or watt...so they don't get left out of the LBer category...if that happens then top rated corners, safety's, and WR's will fall...
but I expect the reaching will be done on QB's and possibly RB's this year

The prevailing CW espousd by Pat Kirwin and his sidekick on SIRIUS suggests that the "hole" may extend deeper into the mid-late 20's, and that teams interested in locking up a drafted QB for a 5th contractual year would try to trade up into that 1st round hole from early in the 2nd.

 

[slanidrac16]

I would make this trade in a heartbeat. It would give us ammunition to move back up a few spots if need be. Drafting a guy like Mahomes or Watson at 23 is okay with me since we would have the extra picks in round two.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Take a look at a few of the Pats drafts. By going down you position yourself to go up ahead of anyone else if the opportunity presents. This also seems a better option than taking a player not worth the pick. I think this draft has a hole in it from about the Cards pick down to around 20. Everyone I'm talking to has no consistency of player ranking in that range. Look at 5 decent gurus' mocks and you'll see how jumbled that group is. You are correct the Cards don't need 10 picks (though counting UDFAs they bring more than that in). The point, however, is statistically more high picks likely means more eventual starters. The Pats have been brilliant there too.

Agreed and there is nothing wrong with accumulating picks for next years draft as well.

 

[Brak]

I'm all over McCaffrey if he's on the board at 13. He fills SO many needs, is a hardcore gamer, student of the game, gym rat, and by all indications, will be an immediate contributor to whomever drafts him - unlike RK or other 1st & a few other high round picks by the Cards. He instantly becomes a huge upgrade at KR/PR, can play slot, spell Johnson at RB, can play IN the same backfield with Johnson, or flanked wide... tons of ways to deploy him and create matchup nightmares for defenses. Assuming Fitz retires after this year, he can become the slot starter, while still filling diverse roles. He'll never be in BA's doghouse and would play & contribute immediately.

Yes, the Cards have many other needs - but I think he fills enough needs to justify their first round pick, if he isn't already gone.

 

[raptor100]

Brak, I agree with you on McCaffrey but it aint going to happen. Since BA and Keim have been here, they have shown a reluctance IMO to draft white athletes. That is just my opinion and I can be totally wrong.

 

[Mitch]

Brak, I agree with you on McCaffrey but it aint going to happen. Since BA and Keim have been here, they have shown a reluctance IMO to draft white athletes. That is just my opinion and I can be totally wrong.

It might be moot because I think Sean Payton will scoop McCaffrey up at #11, Imagine him in the Saints' offense. Made to order.

 

[TheCardFan]

It might be moot because I think Sean Payton will scoop McCaffrey up at #11, Imagine him in the Saints' offense. Made to order.

Then we get Foster?

 

[Cardiac]

Brak, I agree with you on McCaffrey but it aint going to happen. Since BA and Keim have been here, they have shown a reluctance IMO to draft white athletes. That is just my opinion and I can be totally wrong.

 

[oaken1]

It might be moot because I think Sean Payton will scoop McCaffrey up at #11, Imagine him in the Saints' offense. Made to order.

my guess is Reuben Foster is more in line with what the Saints need,.... they can already score,... but they cant stop the falcons