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Well I must admit I'm confused by the tactics the Cards have chosen. They seemed to pick quite a few walking wounded FAs. I'm sure the medicals look okay, but players in the NFL are not always able to return to form. So the dice have been rolled. If they do bounce back here's where things stand.

The D-line apparently will not mainly anchor, but be more flexible in their game plan. They traded some power for quickness. I'll take a wait and see attitude, but it's probably a good gamble as the run defense failed towards the end of last season. I like the philosophy of older players filling slots short term. It makes the cap work well.

The linebacking is clearly upgraded. I'm hearing Washington will get 6-8 weeks, but everyone at NFL HQ is so tentative that nothing is a lock. I expect him to play this season and play well.

The O-line needed to be changed, but again it's valid to be concerned at the result. Clearly the guard spot will be upgraded. Iupati will dramatically upgrade the running game. Veldheer is good enough to help seal the G/T seam against rushers. The G/C seam is my concern. If they take Erving that will solve the problem in part. He's the only center with the needed athleticism. If he's gone this is a dangerous hole.

Of course the elephant not in the room is a pass rusher. I know the board has been asking why this deficiency hasn't been solved for years. The problem is these guys are even rarer than top QBs. QBs are easier to tag in later rounds (though not much easier). In the case of rushers, their measurables are better predictors of success, so more go early. Orakpo would have helped, but now the cupboard is bear. Unless the Cards are willing to move up in the draft, they figure to be blitzing most of the time again next season. Even if they chose to trade picks, rushers like QBs are rarely effective in year one.

So now the draft. I still think Erving is the best option. If he's gone they likely take a corner. They will grab a running back in round two or three. Finally they must get a return specialist.

I think the team is definetly improved, but the Seahawks are still ahead of the pack.
 

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Harry, agree about the Draft, and I think that Erving will be available. We should also be able to get a 'big' RB. Pass rusher and CB will be major problems, unless Bethel is much better than what I expect.
 

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Great point on Erving Harry. The guy would be a godsend all along the line with his ability to play all O-line positions. He could be a very versatile backup while learning our complicated offense, and how to make the pre-snap reads in the pros. Would probably take care of our needs at center for a very long time once he learns the offense. While he is not a sexy pick, he would be a VERY solid one in my opinion.
 

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The O-line needed to be changed, but again it's valid to be concerned at the result. Clearly the guard spot will be upgraded. Iupati will dramatically upgrade the running game. Veldheer is good enough to help seal the G/T seam against rushers. The G/C seam is my concern. If they take Erving that will solve the problem in part. He's the only center with the needed athleticism. If he's gone this is a dangerous hole.

I'm with you on Erving. I think he's likely the best combination of BPA and need that's going to be available.

Lots of commentary here about Jonathan Cooper and whether he can be depended upon. I think the agreement here is that he's going to get a chance at least through the offseason and maybe into the season to prove he can (1) stay healthy for more than 3 games in a row and (2) play at a starter's level.

Have you had a chance to look at Cooper's film? What did you see?
 

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I really like Erving.

I think they'll value any top tier OLB that falls to them for some really crazy reason but if they're gone and its Erving or a CB or RB etc... I don't see how it's not Erving.

Hulk/Smash/Erv/Larsen/Massie

Larsen seems to be a better fit at RG at least during his stint last season and Erving I think can be a top center in the league if he develops right.

Hulk Smash is gonna be my new moniker for the left side of the line.
 

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Well I must admit I'm confused by the tactics the Cards have chosen. They seemed to pick quite a few walking wounded FAs. I'm sure the medicals look okay, but players in the NFL are not always able to return to form. So the dice have been rolled. If they do bounce back here's where things stand.

The D-line apparently will not mainly anchor, but be more flexible in their game plan. They traded some power for quickness. I'll take a wait and see attitude, but it's probably a good gamble as the run defense failed towards the end of last season. I like the philosophy of older players filling slots short term. It makes the cap work well.

The linebacking is clearly upgraded. I'm hearing Washington will get 6-8 weeks, but everyone at NFL HQ is so tentative that nothing is a lock. I expect him to play this season and play well.

The O-line needed to be changed, but again it's valid to be concerned at the result. Clearly the guard spot will be upgraded. Iupati will dramatically upgrade the running game. Veldheer is good enough to help seal the G/T seam against rushers. The G/C seam is my concern. If they take Erving that will solve the problem in part. He's the only center with the needed athleticism. If he's gone this is a dangerous hole.

Of course the elephant not in the room is a pass rusher. I know the board has been asking why this deficiency hasn't been solved for years. The problem is these guys are even rarer than top QBs. QBs are easier to tag in later rounds (though not much easier). In the case of rushers, their measurables are better predictors of success, so more go early. Orakpo would have helped, but now the cupboard is bear. Unless the Cards are willing to move up in the draft, they figure to be blitzing most of the time again next season. Even if they chose to trade picks, rushers like QBs are rarely effective in year one.

So now the draft. I still think Erving is the best option. If he's gone they likely take a corner. They will grab a running back in round two or three. Finally they must get a return specialist.

I think the team is definetly improved, but the Seahawks are still ahead of the pack.


1 PJ Williams cb Florida state...physical corner that fits us

2 Danielle Hunter...LSU pass rusher....raw but worth this pick

3 David Johnson...would pair nicely with Ellington

What about it?
 

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Harry, I totally agree with you about a pass rusher being very hard to come by. What is truly sad is that they passed on so many during the tenure of the previous GM, when we had very high first round draft picks year after year except for the two drafts after the 2008 and 2009 seasons. Even worse is that they totally whiffed on so many of the selection that they did make during that time.
 

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Gosh Harry, I am really sorry about that-----This thread was about going forward, and I entered a post that is going backward now. My apologies.
 
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Nothing to apologize for; "those who fail to remember the past......" Graves was a total disaster who set the Cards back 10 years. He was hamstrung by cheap management, but in the end had little clue about personnel.
 
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