Golden & Stinson

[Chopper0080]

Stinson has no excuse. None. He has to grow up, and I agree, they he is not that valuable, he is on the roster because he is solid and cheap. With Corey Peters coming back next year, that was not a smart move by Stinson. Its football, the "don't push me" game is bullcrap in that situation, IMHO.

Marcus Golden is a rookie, and was frustrated that he was getting stoned all game long. Kid has to grow up and take on adversity like a professional. You cannot go yelling and disrespecting your boss in the office.

This happening with the game still in reach shows the younger players on this team choked under the pressure.

It shows the lack of leadership on the defense...and you can argue that most defensive leaders play in the middle of the defense (S, ILB, DT) which is where we are lacking.

 

[82CardsGrad]

It shows the lack of leadership on the defense...and you can argue that most defensive leaders play in the middle of the defense (S, ILB, DT) which is where we are lacking.

Agree... and interesting that the Badger is out while this crap surfaced... I think Matheiu will emerge as our defensive leader. As my hope is that he takes over the SS position from Johnson. We can put Johnson back to a nickle safety...

 

[RugbyMuffin]

It shows the lack of leadership on the defense...and you can argue that most defensive leaders play in the middle of the defense (S, ILB, DT) which is where we are lacking.

Unfortunately, the leader of the defense blew out his knee against Philly. If you think about it, the team lasted one game without Mathieu (Green Bay) and the team as a whole started to loose steam.

I couple the loss of Mathieu with the over-hyping of "the second half of the 2015 season." There was so much build up for the Cardinals to get through the second half of the season that the team peaked too early, IMHO.

 

[WildBB]

Agree... and interesting that the Badger is out while this crap surfaced... I think Matheiu will emerge as our defensive leader. As my hope is that he takes over the SS position from Johnson. We can put Johnson back to a nickle safety...

I like the idea of putting DBuch back where he belongs and play him similar to how zHags play Chancellor. Put Mathieu back in the slot where he thrives or make the decision to let him roam which may or may not work out great. You'd need a 3rd saftey for that, imo. It's pretty much how they line up now though in passing situations.

 

[Big D]

Agree... and interesting that the Badger is out while this crap surfaced... I think Matheiu will emerge as our defensive leader. As my hope is that he takes over the SS position from Johnson. We can put Johnson back to a nickle safety...

Funny you say that because I heard and interview with Tyrann from yesterday where he alluded to the fact that he felt like the team was out of character on Sunday mentioning how guys weren't necessarily supporting each other the way they had been all season.

He said he takes his role as a leader very seriously and vowed not to let stuff like that happen again under his watch. Amazing how he has matured.

 

[cardpa]

Funny you say that because I heard and interview with Tyrann from yesterday where he alluded to the fact that he felt like the team was out of character on Sunday mentioning how guys weren't necessarily supporting each other the way they had been all season.

He said he takes his role as a leader very seriously and vowed not to let stuff like that happen again under his watch. Amazing how he has matured.

That is very interesting. Where was PP who has been vocal about being a leader when this was happening?

 

[82CardsGrad]

Funny you say that because I heard and interview with Tyrann from yesterday where he alluded to the fact that he felt like the team was out of character on Sunday mentioning how guys weren't necessarily supporting each other the way they had been all season.

He said he takes his role as a leader very seriously and vowed not to let stuff like that happen again under his watch. Amazing how he has matured.

Next to Fitz, Tyrann is my favorite...

 

[Russ Smith]

That it's disrespectful to have # 90 being worn especially when he is not playing in one of the biggest games, just like #24 shouldn't be worn. He said he doesn't care if he had a ankle injury ligament damage that he would still go out and play. And Golden shouldn't be disrespecting the coach like that.

This is the same Dockett that when the Cards were trying to let a team score to get the ball back quicker freaked out screaming at his teammates and coaches?

I can rememember several times in his career with the Cards where he was as bad or worse on the sidelines than Golden was.

 

[Ohcrap75]

I just watched a replay on NFL network of Warner yelling at Haley and then continue to keep walking when Haley was still talking to him... RELAX.... Things get heated out there... This isn't an office job.... I remember Reggie Wayne pushing Peyton Manning on sidelines.. Not that big of a deal!!

 

[CFLredzoned]

CC shouldn't be a leader of this team until he starts backing up his talk. If you watch is pregame speeches, it looks like most of the team is tuning him out.

Yeah I noticed that too. Before the GB playoff game, Campbell was giving his speech. Everybody was just standing around watching, like they were watching a tv show. You had Campbell giving his speech - and a bunch of spectators - no participants. When I saw that, I knew it would be trouble. I was hoping they wouldn't bring that same lack of energy to Carolina. Apparently they did. B-Train was really fired up about it yesterday on his show.

The last time I remember seeing alot of energy was the first Seattle game. They were all dancing on the sidelines. The problem is, that has to be organic. You can't force it. So what do you do when you don't have a true dog on the sidelines?

As far as Golden, I noticed that Buckner really vituperates those guys ALOT. He doesn't let up. The way BA rides the refs all game, Buckner rides the DL guys all game. I'm not saying it's right, but I think Golden just finally got sick of it and snapped.

 

[juza76]

That is very interesting. Where was PP who has been vocal about being a leader when this was happening?

He was in a depression mode after the muffed punt
Indeed on the next possession cam newton Threw on his direction

 

[Big D]

I just watched a replay on NFL network of Warner yelling at Haley and then continue to keep walking when Haley was still talking to him... RELAX.... Things get heated out there... This isn't an office job.... I remember Reggie Wayne pushing Peyton Manning on sidelines.. Not that big of a deal!!

Big difference between accomplished veteran guys that in all likelihood will end up in the HOF airing out grievances on the sidelines and two young guys that haven't accomplished a damn thing getting mad about getting called out and choosing to mouth off/ pout.

 

[Ohcrap75]

Big difference between accomplished veteran guys that in all likelihood will end up in the HOF airing out grievances on the sidelines and two young guys that haven't accomplished a damn thing getting mad about getting called out and choosing to mouth off/ pout.

I don't agree with how they acted, but I have never heard of anyone questioning Golden's character up until this point, so I'm not going to worry about it going forward. He's an emotional player and he let it get the best of him, but I will always take a guy that cares too much than one that doesn't care enough.

 

[Big D]

Seeing a rookie get up and walk away in the middle of the position coach adressing the group (in the NFC championship game no less) and then ignore his repeated requests to sit his ass back down gives me serious pause.

 

[cardncubfan]

Seeing a rookie get up and walk away in the middle of the position coach adressing the group (in the NFC championship game no less) and then ignore his repeated requests to sit his ass back down gives me serious pause.

+1

 

[82CardsGrad]

Seeing a rookie get up and walk away in the middle of the position coach adressing the group (in the NFC championship game no less) and then ignore his repeated requests to sit his ass back down gives me serious pause.

Yep!