Good trade

[sunsfan88]

OK, so people saying this trade is dumb for the Suns.

Richardson was expiring. If we are rebuilding, there's no reason to resign him when, without Nash, he's struggled....BAD.
I'm guessing the primary reason he was throw into this deal was to off Hedo's contract.
To be able to do this without giving up picks is incredible. His contract is huge.

Carter comes back as the replacement SG for this year (maybe to trade again at the deadline). His expiring is a bit bigger than Richardsons, so it's a win right there.

Gortat does fit out PF needs. He's not a stud but he's a player I wanted when he was a FA.

Pietris, my guess, is going to be our backup SG and replace Hill as our starting SF after this year. Our bench will be affected by this but next year once Carter AND Hill leave the Suns, we'll be good.

Suns get a first for Clark. That's a wash. Since we weren't going to resign Clark after not picking up his option, at least we have something to show for him.


So people that think it sucks for the Suns, my guess is you think we're still trying to compete. This team is really bad and unable to be cohesive. It's a retooling phase.

We get a bigger expiring and get rid of Hedo for players that fit the team much much better.

Say what you want but we're in very good shape now. We're out of the Hedo contract.

 

[Mainstreet]

This is a very smart trade as the Suns get a big man that fits their needs now. Also Phoenix will now have a total of two first round draft picks for 2011 which they could package with a player for another big man if they so desire. Subtracting Hedo alone improves the Suns.

I also wish the Suns could trade a second round pick and get Amundson back.

 

[sunsfan88]

This is a very smart trade as the Suns get a big man that fits their needs now. Also Phoenix will now have a total of two first round draft picks for 2011 which they could package with a player for another big man if they so desire. Subtracting Hedo alone improves the Suns.

I also wish the Suns could trade a second round pick and get Amundson back.

Yea I also miss a energy, rebounder shot blocker type guy.

Perhaps sent Warrick to Golden State for him?

 

[Mainstreet]

Yea I also miss a energy, rebounder shot blocker type guy.

Perhaps sent Warrick to Golden State for him?

I was just thinking maybe a second round draft pick somewhere out there in infinity. GS is not going anywhere. The Suns could absorb his salary with their remaining TE. Just a thought.

 

[sunsfan88]

I was just thinking maybe a second round draft pick somewhere out there in infinity. GS is not going anywhere. The Suns could absorb his salary with their remaining TE. Just a thought.

Yea but then we would have to trade away Warrick cause that'd be too many PFs if we keep Warrick and then trade for another PF.

 

[Trifecta]

Hedo's gone, without giving up anything other than someone who wasn't going to return anyway, and a bust. Someone pinch me. The players we got back are icing on the cake.

Not a fan of Gortat's contract but anything's better than Hedo's.

The best we could have hoped for given the circumstances IMO

 

[Trifecta]

Did I mention Hedo's gone?

 

[Folster]

Umm... We just got this guy for Hedo!

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I think it's official: Marcin "The Hammer" Gortat

 

[Mainstreet]

Yea but then we would have to trade away Warrick cause that'd be too many PFs if we keep Warrick and then trade for another PF.

That's the beauty of Warrick's contract. It can be moved easily. I believe there may be another trade or two to tweak the Suns.

 

[sunsfan88]

I hope we don't do another trade soon.

I wanna see how this lineup does...at least til the all star break.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

The only plus is that we offed Hedo's contract. Of course we picked up Gortat's and him and RoLo are the definition of redundant. Vinsanity and Pietrus are a joke. Just blow this thing up.

 

[Chaplin]

The only plus is that we offed Hedo's contract. Of course we picked up Gortat's and him and RoLo are the definition of redundant. Vinsanity and Pietrus are a joke. Just blow this thing up.

Um, they ARE. What do you think saving all this money was? I mean, the big piece of this trade is a big man making 6.5 million a year. While we get rid of two guys making over 10 per.

 

[devilalum]

Of course we picked up Gortat's and him and RoLo are the definition of redundant.

How can they be redundant when neither one of them can play more that 20 minutes a game?

 

[Chaplin]

How can they be redundant when neither one of them can play more that 20 minutes a game?

Aren't most centers "redundant"? If you have a couple 7 footers that can provide defense and rebounding for 48 minutes, then I don't see why redundancy is a problem.

 

[devilalum]

Aren't most centers "redundant"? If you have a couple 7 footers that can provide defense and rebounding for 48 minutes, then I don't see why redundancy is a problem.

The Jordan Bulls used to have 3 guys like this. If nothing else on any given night RoLo and Gortat give you 12 fouls and the corresponding pain that goes with them.

 

[Mainstreet]

Aren't most centers "redundant"? If you have a couple 7 footers that can provide defense and rebounding for 48 minutes, then I don't see why redundancy is a problem.

Correct. You can be redundant with wings but never big men.

 

[devilalum]

Correct. You can be redundant with wings but never big men.

Exactly if you want to talk about redundant look at the 3.

 

[Trifecta]

The only plus is that we offed Hedo's contract.

Getting rid of Hedo and his contract is a "plus" in much the same way that recovering from a terminal illness is a "plus". Even if the players we got back were dreadful (which I don't believe the are) we still win by a mile.

Of course we picked up Gortat's and him and RoLo are the definition of redundant. Vinsanity and Pietrus are a joke. Just blow this thing up.

Gortat and Rolo could be one of the better 5 rotations the Suns have had in recent history (maybe their entire history). That says more about the Suns previous Centre lineups over the years than the brilliance or otherwise of Gortat and Rolo, but I for one am feeling better about our 5 position than I have in a long time.

Vince and Pietrus have short deals, and should more than plug the gap left by JRich in the meantime.

And then there's the 1st rounder we got. Honestly what is there to complain about here?

 

[AzStevenCal]

Getting rid of Hedo and his contract is a "plus" in much the same way that recovering from a terminal illness is a "plus". Even if the players we got back were dreadful (which I don't believe the are) we still win by a mile.



Gortat and Rolo could be one of the better 5 rotations the Suns have had in recent history (maybe their entire history). That says more about the Suns previous Centre lineups over the years than the brilliance or otherwise of Gortat and Rolo, but I for one am feeling better about our 5 position than I have in a long time.

Vince and Pietrus have short deals, and should more than plug the gap left by JRich in the meantime.

And then there's the 1st rounder we got. Honestly what is there to complain about here?

I agree. I was hoping we could trade a slug for a budding superstar but short of that, this looks to be a pretty solid deal for us. It's actually a pretty good deal for Orlando too, assuming Hedo's stock is down primarily because he's not playing next to Howard. Adding in Arenas, they did fairly well today especially because they didn't wait till the trade deadline. At least this way they have a decent chance to integrate these pieces before the playoffs.

Steve

 

[sunsfan88]

Getting rid of Hedo and his contract is a "plus" in much the same way that recovering from a terminal illness is a "plus". Even if the players we got back were dreadful (which I don't believe the are) we still win by a mile.



Gortat and Rolo could be one of the better 5 rotations the Suns have had in recent history (maybe their entire history). That says more about the Suns previous Centre lineups over the years than the brilliance or otherwise of Gortat and Rolo, but I for one am feeling better about our 5 position than I have in a long time.

Vince and Pietrus have short deals, and should more than plug the gap left by JRich in the meantime.

And then there's the 1st rounder we got. Honestly what is there to complain about here?

Not to forget that Lopez is the THIRD MOST injury prone center in the WHOLE NBA (only Yao & Oden are worse)

So when he gets hurt, we won't be screwed.

 

[Trifecta]

I was hoping we could trade a slug for a budding superstar but short of that, this looks to be a pretty solid deal for us. It's actually a pretty good deal for Orlando too, assuming Hedo's stock is down primarily because he's not playing next to Howard. Adding in Arenas, they did fairly well today especially because they didn't wait till the trade deadline. At least this way they have a decent chance to integrate these pieces before the playoffs.

Steve

I wonder if the special Orlando chemistry that Hedo apparently needs in order to flourish could be ruined somewhat by having Arenas as the main PG instead of Nelson. Not that I care either way at this point

 

[JCSunsfan]

Gortat is the big part of this trade. Watch any video of him Orlando and you'll see him open on the pick and roll over and over again, but no pass. Gortat has a much more complete game than Lopez, even offensively.

 

[Ronin]

I like this trade.

 

[SunsTzu]

The only plus is that we offed Hedo's contract. Of course we picked up Gortat's and him and RoLo are the definition of redundant. Vinsanity and Pietrus are a joke. Just blow this thing up.

Even if Lopez and Gortat were redundant(which I don't think is really true since at the very least Gortat is a good rebounder) it's not really a bad thing since the Suns have really no inside presence when Lopez is out with inevitable injury or in foul trouble.

It certainly appears the Suns are preparing for the future at this point. They may end up with more committed salary in 2011(weak FA class and CBA uncertainty) after this trade but they cleared a ton of space for a potentially huge 2012 FA class.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Not to forget that Lopez is the THIRD MOST injury prone center in the WHOLE NBA (only Yao & Oden are worse)

So when he gets hurt, we won't be screwed.

You've made this claim before - what's it based on? Off the top of my head I can name several centers (or F/C's) that have missed quite a few games and I'm sure a few of them have probably missed a lot more games than lopez due to injuries. Players such as Joel Pryzbilla, Andrew Bynum, Theo Ratliff and Eddy Curry for example. And keep in mind that Robin sat a lot his rookie year by coach's decision.

Perhaps you've worked out some complicated formula that supports your claim but at first blush it looks incorrect to me.

Steve