Good trade

[Cheesebeef]

Um, they ARE. What do you think saving all this money was? I mean, the big piece of this trade is a big man making 6.5 million a year. While we get rid of two guys making over 10 per.

it's not blown up until Nash is traded IMO. Doing anything otherwise is akin to just re-arranging deck chairs on the slightly smaller version of the Titanic.

But I LOVE getting rid of Hedo and Gortat's an actual C who I think is a solid building block for the future.

 

[Mainstreet]

it's not blown up until Nash is traded IMO. Doing anything otherwise is akin to just re-arranging deck chairs on the slightly smaller version of the Titanic.

When you blow things up you need a replacement. If you don't have anyone to fill the role (at least to a reasonable degree) all one has done is blown something up.

 

[Ronin]

You've made this claim before - what's it based on? Off the top of my head I can name several centers (or F/C's) that have missed quite a few games and I'm sure a few of them have probably missed a lot more games than lopez due to injuries. Players such as Joel Pryzbilla, Andrew Bynum, Theo Ratliff and Eddy Curry for example. And keep in mind that Robin sat a lot his rookie year by coach's decision.

Perhaps you've worked out some complicated formula that supports your claim but at first blush it looks incorrect to me.

Steve

Yao Ming?

 

[SunsTzu]

it's not blown up until Nash is traded IMO. Doing anything otherwise is akin to just re-arranging deck chairs on the slightly smaller version of the Titanic.

But I LOVE getting rid of Hedo and Gortat's an actual C who I think is a solid building block for the future.

Nash will be too difficult to trade imo. He is the franchise and is still playing at an elite level but no team is going to give up fair value for a guy about to turn 37.

 

[JCSunsfan]

The book on VC is that he is such a pansy, you hit him once and he disappears. VC is not in our future at all. I would tell him not to bother to report. I would rather work Childress into the lineup.

 

[devilalum]

The book on VC is that he is such a pansy, you hit him once and he disappears. VC is not in our future at all. I would tell him not to bother to report. I would rather work Childress into the lineup.

Childress is going to contribute a lot more when his finger gets right. He's a 35%+ 3 point shooter.

 

[Cheesebeef]

When you blow things up you need a replacement. If you don't have anyone to fill the role (at least to a reasonable degree) all one has done is blown something up.

what's your point? We're not going to get someone who can fill up a future HOF PG to a reasonable degree... but we also have no shot at all of doing anything but maybe getting crushed in the first round by the Lakers... or Spurs.

Give up the Nash dream, move on and let the team really start rebuilding.

 

[devilalum]

what's your point? We're not going to get someone who can fill up a future HOF PG to a reasonable degree... but we also have no shot at all of doing anything but maybe getting crushed in the first round by the Lakers... or Spurs.

Give up the Nash dream, move on and let the team really start rebuilding.

Ironic that just a few months ago the Suns totally humiliated that same Spurs team.

 

[Trifecta]

The book on VC is that he is such a pansy, you hit him once and he disappears. VC is not in our future at all. I would tell him not to bother to report. I would rather work Childress into the lineup.

I agree. I have never been a fan of Vinsanity since he openly admitted he stopped trying in Toronto. Even if he never plays a game for us I would still like this trade, as we have more than enough wings to cover the 2 spot.

I do believe he will play though, and since he's playing for a contract this year, I expect him to come out firing.

 

[Mainstreet]

what's your point? We're not going to get someone who can fill up a future HOF PG to a reasonable degree... but we also have no shot at all of doing anything but maybe getting crushed in the first round by the Lakers... or Spurs.

Give up the Nash dream, move on and let the team really start rebuilding.

So what are the Suns going to get for Nash that will provide a starting PG? Dragic is more a tweener between the 1-2 position. Keeping Nash does not prevent the Suns from getting a PG of the future. If the Suns can get such a guard, then talking about moving Nash is realistic.

 

[SunsTzu]

I really don't see the point of moving Nash for the sake of moving him. If the Suns are getting good value in return, then yeah sure trade him. I just don't see that happening.

Would really be interested to know what the "trade Nash" proponents would feel is an acceptable return.

 

[jagu]

I agree. I have never been a fan of Vinsanity since he openly admitted he stopped trying in Toronto. Even if he never plays a game for us I would still like this trade, as we have more than enough wings to cover the 2 spot.

I do believe he will play though, and since he's playing for a contract this year, I expect him to come out firing.

If Carter drops 30 a night, I still don't see the Suns keeping his 18 mil bill next year.

 

[Trifecta]

If Carter drops 30 a night, I still don't see the Suns keeping his 18 mil bill next year.

Neither do I, but since we are letting him go at the end of the season he'll still be auditioning himself for another contract with some other team next season

 

[Irish]

We won't really know if this deal is a good one or not until everybody gets aclimated to Genry's system. But on the surface, I can't see how it won't. Here's how I break it down:

Hedo for Petrus - Hedo was totally ill suited to the Sun's system. Petrus was pretty good in the up tempo GS system and is well reguarded as a defender. Considering Hedo' contract, this is a no brainer.

Richardson for Carter - Richardson was leaving at the end of the season and so is Carter. Carter has a good reputation as a defender and is easily as explosive at J-Rich. Carter seems to be very good at getting to the basket and should benefit from the Suns style.

Clark for Gorat - A real center for a non-rotation guy whose career has been stagnat, this is a total steal.

 

[JCSunsfan]

We won't really know if this deal is a good one or not until everybody gets aclimated to Genry's system. But on the surface, I can't see how it won't. Here's how I break it down:

Hedo for Petrus - Hedo was totally ill suited to the Sun's system. Petrus was pretty good in the up tempo GS system and is well reguarded as a defender. Considering Hedo' contract, this is a no brainer.

Richardson for Carter - Richardson was leaving at the end of the season and so is Carter. Carter has a good reputation as a defender and is easily as explosive at J-Rich. Carter seems to be very good at getting to the basket and should benefit from the Suns style.

Clark for Gorat - A real center for a non-rotation guy whose career has been stagnat, this is a total steal.

AND a 1st round pick. No way I would take Carter over Richardson straight up. But Gortat and the pick matter. If Pietrus is a factor, its all bonus.

 

[elindholm]

"Carter has a good reputation as a defender"? Are you confusing Vince with Anthony?

 

[sunsfan88]

"Carter has a good reputation as a defender"? Are you confusing Vince with Anthony?

Even Babby said that "Carter will improve our perimeter defense along with Pietrus"

Which Carter have they seen? The one I have seen is AWFUL defensively.

I like Carter but he's not where close to a good defender.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Even Babby said that "Carter will improve our perimeter defense along with Pietrus"

Which Carter have they seen? The one I have seen is AWFUL defensively.

I like Carter but he's not where close to a good defender.

All I can think of is they must be touting his defense as compared to Hedo's. I can't remember him ever being a great defender although at one time he was capable of getting the big stop late in a game.

Steve

 

[cly2tw]

Talent-wise, Hed/JR for Carter/Pietrus is about even. Carter is a better one-on-one scorer than JRich, which last year's Suns desparately needed in the playoffs and would have in this year's had they kept Amare. Pietrus is the best SG defender Suns ever had, would have complemented to Amare/Nash greatly.

For Magic, Arenas/Hedo/JR is a powerful perimeter trio, offensively capable of matching up with the best out there. All they now need is backup C and some defensive PF like Reggie Evans. They'd my favorite coming out of the East.

 

[sunsfan88]

You've made this claim before - what's it based on? Off the top of my head I can name several centers (or F/C's) that have missed quite a few games and I'm sure a few of them have probably missed a lot more games than lopez due to injuries. Players such as Joel Pryzbilla, Andrew Bynum, Theo Ratliff and Eddy Curry for example. And keep in mind that Robin sat a lot his rookie year by coach's decision.

Perhaps you've worked out some complicated formula that supports your claim but at first blush it looks incorrect to me.

Steve

Starting centers only.

Bynum maybe but considering the production LA gets out of Bynum when he's healthy and the production PHX gets out of Lopez when he's healthy, I'd take RoLo over him.

But if doesn't matter. Gortat provides HUGE depth at that position and its only a matter of time before Lopez gets hurt again. I'm thinkin...a month and then Lopez gets a boo-boo?

I hope I'm wrong about RoLo cause if Lopez and Gortat were to be on the court together and sub for each other, we would completely destroy in the paint.

 

[Yuma]

Gortat will help us a lot. When we play LA we get hammered because they have 2 to 3, 7 footers on the court at any one time. Having two 7 footers with size and strength will help us match up way better when we play them. Lopez has been too inconsistent and foul prone. Gortat has a real chance of stealing a starting job here, imho. He has always looked good when I have seen him play.

Pietrus has always played well against us. He has shown flashes. From what I have read, he needs consistency. Still, he could be a real fit for our offense, and is definitely a decent defender.

Carter will be a scorer for us. He will be a problem in that he will want to start, and I am not sure that's what is best for us. Pietrus will be a better fit with his defense. It will be interesting to see how Gentry handles Carter. Still, I would like to see Nash and Carter play together. That could be fun.

Bottom line, we needed a big man. No one will give one up easily. This was possibly the best guy we could get right now. I like the move for the long term. In the short run, we will miss JRich's scoring.

 

[Trifecta]

Starting centers only.

How about Bogut then?

So much for "Lopez is the THIRD MOST injury prone center in the WHOLE NBA".

 

[Broseph]

they needed to do something, this team was very stagnant. its pretty depressing watching the mavs and spurs and lakers tear it up in the west especially when the suns have been an elite team for the past 5 years. i think this trade on paper works, now im very anxious to see what the result on the court will be.

 

[Errntknght]

The paying fans are going to want to see Carter, meaning Foamy Finger will want to see him, too. That makes the odds pretty high he'll start and play 25-30 minutes per game. I don't see it hurting us in the short run and it might even ignite a dash into the playoffs - for which we are better equipped with Gortat and Pietrus on board.

Yeah, VC isn't going to be here for the long run but if the lockout goes the full year, we probably won't see Nash or Hill back on floor again either.

Lets hope Scottie Reynolds is getting lots of valuable experience in Europe and that he will want to play for us with Nash out of the way.

I'm not even going to bash Gentry for what he's not doing with the second unit - not that its any less nauseating than it was before but no one else on here seems to care.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Starting centers only.

Bynum maybe but considering the production LA gets out of Bynum when he's healthy and the production PHX gets out of Lopez when he's healthy, I'd take RoLo over him.

But if doesn't matter. Gortat provides HUGE depth at that position and its only a matter of time before Lopez gets hurt again. I'm thinkin...a month and then Lopez gets a boo-boo?

I hope I'm wrong about RoLo cause if Lopez and Gortat were to be on the court together and sub for each other, we would completely destroy in the paint.

Not to get personal but that's kind of a lame comeback. Take a look at the guys I named and the reason they are not starting centers is because of injuries. Plus, I didn't do an exhaustive search either when I offered those names - I'm sure I missed some.

The point is, unless you've done your work and you're pretty sure of your facts you probably should say something like "one of the most oft-injured centers" or something like that rather than declaring he's the 3rd most injured. 91% of Phoenix Suns fans agree with me on this.

Steve