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Warner mess a setback for Cardinals owners

By Charles Robinson, Yahoo! Sports 2 hours, 13 minutes ago

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Even after the most compelling season their eyes have ever known, the ownership of the Arizona Cardinals can’t find the vision to navigate beyond its petty urges. One month removed from the most uncommon of hours – one of the most memorable Super Bowl appearances in NFL history – the Bidwill family is poised to strike down its own success.
Kurt Warner, the Cardinals’ star quarterback and the best thing to happen to Phoenix since air conditioning, will spend time this week flirting with the San Francisco 49ers. Not because he wants to, but because the Arizona ownership can’t be bothered to simply do the right thing: pay Warner the money he is worth. According to a source close to Warner, he has been offered what amounts to a one-year deal, with one season at $10 million, and a team option for a second year at the same terms. That’s well short of the commitment Warner was hoping for: a two-year pact for around $14 million per season – a number that comes out to slightly less than the average of the top five quarterback salaries in the league.



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Warner threw for 377 yards in the Super Bowl against Pittsburgh.
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So here we are, with Arizona’s competitive fate hanging in the balance, all because the Cardinals believe Warner is worth only $1.5 million more than what the Tennessee Titans have guaranteed to Kerry Collins. You wanted to believe this was a franchise capable of finally making the right move, and that when Bill Bidwill hoisted the NFC championship trophy in January, he was lifting up the beacon of a new era. But if that were true, the family would have stepped in by now and told the front office to get Warner’s deal done.

This is what winning owners in the NFL do – they recognize the foundation of their team, and they find a way to keep it in place. The Indianapolis Colts have done it with Peyton Manning. The Pittsburgh Steelers have done it with Ben Roethlisberger. Indeed, every team worth its salt finds a way to deal with the financial realties of a franchise quarterback. And don’t kid yourself. Even at 38 years old, Warner will be just that over the next two seasons. Subtract him from this team, and Arizona goes 5-11 next season.


But this situation only tells us what we already know: The Bidwill family can’t be counted upon. Rather than step up and find a way to pay their most important player what he’s truly worth, they’ve allowed the front office to put on a poker face and force Warner into an awkward free agent walk of shame. They’ve taken a gamble that Warner wouldn’t seriously consider the 49ers, while simultaneously wagering all their chips on Matt Leinart, who has never been close to taking over the starting job over the last two seasons. All the while, they’ve allowed a ridiculous message to seep out that Warner is being greedy, and eating up key cap space. Rather than doing the right thing for a player who makes their franchise better, they’ve kicked a little dirt on him in hopes of saving money.

This is what makes other executives in the NFL roll their eyes, all too familiar with the way the Bidwill family conducts its business. Executives who know the golden rule – the one that says when you’ve got a quarterback who is holding your team together at the seams, you don’t engage in financial Russian roulette. Then again, how would the Cardinals know any better? When was the last time they had a quarterback worth paying?


Here’s a little truth about what Warner is asking. First, it’s time to put down all of this absurdity about the current state of the economy. The day the Bidwills cut a refund check to their season-ticket holders for decades of futility is the day they can afford to ask a player to take a discount. No matter how much bellyaching the Phoenix media wants to do about the economy, a universal reality of pro sports will endure: Real-world economics rarely apply to owners and players who make tens of millions of dollars every year. Warner has helped make the Cardinals untold amounts of money, making him worth every penny of his salary.


Second, a deal with Warner will not put the Cardinals in significant salary cap trouble. The NFL gave a universal $4 million bump in the 2009 salary cap late last month, from $123 million to $127. According to a league source, that boost put the Cardinals well over $30 million in “functional” cap space for 2009 – meaning the team has well over $30 million in spending room to be solely devoted to free agents and rookies. And even that is a fluid figure, too.


As we’ve seen over the last several seasons, experienced front offices can manipulate current deals to create or devour salary cap space as they see fit. There are always deals that can be tweaked (Larry Fitzgerald) or extended (Karlos Dansby) or cut completely (Edgerrin James) to help facilitate a need for additional money. So let go of the notion that the Cardinals can’t afford it. If the Indianapolis Colts can handle Manning’s $21.2 million in base salary in 2009, Arizona can accommodate Warner’s yearning for $14 million.


And stop for a moment and ponder the question of Warner’s true worth. Look at the broader picture, and you’ll see a player who maximized Fitzgerald over the last two seasons and helped make him worth his $10 million salary. He helped turn Anquan Boldin into one of the biggest bargains in football. He helped transform Steve Breaston from a return specialist to a legitimate No. 2 option. He spearheaded a Super Bowl run that made the Bidwill family millions in additional revenue, both from the home playoff games and merchandising. And he did it while earning the 10th-highest quarterback salary in 2008, and 18th-highest quarterback salary in 2007 (a year in which he threw 27 touchdowns).


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The tone has changed between Warner, right, and team president Michael Bidwill.
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Meanwhile, he did it by portraying everything that is right with NFL players. He never had to answer for embarrassing internet photos. He never complained about the coaching staff and demanded a trade. He never undermined the young quarterback that was drafted to be the team’s future. He was never arrested. All he did was put up gaudy stats and engineer the most exhilarating playoff run in franchise history. All he did was make people think that maybe – just maybe – this wasn’t the same old disappointing Cardinals franchise the world had come to expect. Indeed, if Warner made any mistake, it was putting his faith in the Cardinals and suggesting he only wanted to play in Arizona.
So this is how he is being repaid. With haggling over what should be a no-brainer contract, and back-stabbing about who is truly being greedy in the current predicament.


The Cardinals need to realize they are in uncommon times. They stand ready to distance themselves from an embarrassing era. But first they need to understand they are a Super Bowl franchise, and that maintaining that image going forward takes sacrifice and creativity – both in the pocketbook and with the salary cap.
Warner

Finally, the Cardinals are learning what it takes – and who it takes – to grasp the ultimate success. But that grip comes with a price tag. And if they aren’t willing to pay a player who deserves it most, when are they?
 

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Great if you think now is the time to hate on the Cardinals.

There are also other interpretations one could use but hating is easier
 

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Aside from not even getting the numbers right, this article is the typical media hogwash: bash the Cards as cheap because it's easy to do based on history. A ghost has about as much real substance as this article.
 
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Aside from not even getting the numbers right, this article is the typical media hogwash: bash the Cards as cheap because it's easy to do based on history. A ghost has about as much real substance as this article.

Just out of curiosity, what numbers do you think are wrong? Please provide certifiable links.
 

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great if you are Warner or his agent. Ridiculous if you are any sensible person.
 

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scroll down to the thread written by Bob Young of the AZ Republic.To me, it has more validity then some yahoo.
 
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Isn't it interesting that all we've been hearing is how Warner has been snubbing his nose at a 2 year deal for 20 million. If this report is correct, it's really a 1 year deal w/ a CLUB option for the second. He'll make 1.5 mil. in guaranteed more than Collins? Are you kidding me?

I've been saying in recent posts that we probably don't know the whole story. This article certainly lends credence to that theory. Warner leads them to the first SB in team history, & the best they can do is a 1 year at 10 mil.? I've been kind of tough here on Boldin. I suspect there's more to that story then meets the eye as well.

This picture is getting clearer for me. Not only does this picture not look good for Warner, but for the Cards as a whole. Maybe the departure of "the same ole Cards" was just a mirage. Such a shame if true.
 

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The whole article is essentially "Bidwill's are cheap, same old Cardinals"

No actual reporting
 

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Just out of curiosity, what numbers do you think are wrong? Please provide certifiable links.

I don't have links, but I thought we had more money to spend in FA than $30 mil.

The writer seems to think that bringing Warner back will allow us to repeat what we did last year. Warner would be coming back to a new offense under a new OC and possibly even be losing Boldin if he does end up getting traded.

Warner is great, but a 38 year old Quarterback just isn't worth $14mil in my eyes.
 

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I don't have links, but I thought we had more money to spend in FA than $30 mil.

The writer seems to think that bringing Warner back will allow us to repeat what we did last year. Warner would be coming back to a new offense under a new OC and possibly even be losing Boldin if he does end up getting traded.

Warner is great, but a 38 year old Quarterback just isn't worth $14mil in my eyes.

We've spent a lot signing players because we only had about 41 on our roster. We franchised Dansby, which is taking up 9M right now as well.
 

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This article is total crap. Lazy piece of journalism, really. There's on paragraph where they guy's making it sound like Warner is responsible for Fitz and Boldin's success even though both players were Probowlers without him. He said Warner made Fitz "worth his $10M salary." For one thing, this is the first year of Larry making that much and he's hardly been a disappointment. Later he said there were things the team could do to create more money for Warner like restructuring Fitz's contract and extending Dansby. Larry just redid his contract last year to save us cap space but this "expert" clearly doesn't know that. Dansby is on the franchise tag right now so it's not a matter of extending his contract but getting a new one in place. The bit about Warner making Boldin one of the biggest bargains in football makes me think this guy has no clue at all what he's talking about.
 

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We've spent a lot signing players because we only had about 41 on our roster. We franchised Dansby, which is taking up 9M right now as well.

We are at 23M, and change, at this point... (check spreadsheet)
 

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This article is total crap. Lazy piece of journalism, really. There's on paragraph where they guy's making it sound like Warner is responsible for Fitz and Boldin's success even though both players were Probowlers without him. He said Warner made Fitz "worth his $10M salary." For one thing, this is the first year of Larry making that much and he's hardly been a disappointment. Later he said there were things the team could do to create more money for Warner like restructuring Fitz's contract and extending Dansby. Larry just redid his contract last year to save us cap space but this "expert" clearly doesn't know that. Dansby is on the franchise tag right now so it's not a matter of extending his contract but getting a new one in place. The bit about Warner making Boldin one of the biggest bargains in football makes me think this guy has no clue at all what he's talking about.

Good points...the article is a spin...a heavy spin to one side.

There is another side...the side that says that Warner could be reasonable with the Cardinals and not be as greedy. He's a much better fit where he is. If the Cardinals' recent offer of 2/$23M/$12M guaranteed is close to whatever the 49ers' offer is, Warner should be smart enough to make the right decision.

The problem is...if the 49ers are talking $15M a year...and the Cardinals won't budge off of $11.5M...the Cardinals might as well pack his bags for him.
 

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Good points...the article is a spin...a heavy spin to one side.

There is another side...the side that says that Warner could be reasonable with the Cardinals and not be as greedy. He's a much better fit where he is. If the Cardinals' recent offer of 2/$23M/$12M guaranteed is close to whatever the 49ers' offer is, Warner should be smart enough to make the right decision.

The problem is...if the 49ers are talking $15M a year...and the Cardinals won't budge off of $11.5M...the Cardinals might as well pack his bags for him.

As I said yesterday, I think something is finalized by the end of today. And it's looking like he will be wearing red and gold.
 
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Good points...the article is a spin...a heavy spin to one side.

There is another side...the side that says that Warner could be reasonable with the Cardinals and not be as greedy. He's a much better fit where he is. If the Cardinals' recent offer of 2/$23M/$12M guaranteed is close to whatever the 49ers' offer is, Warner should be smart enough to make the right decision.

The problem is...if the 49ers are talking $15M a year...and the Cardinals won't budge off of $11.5M...the Cardinals might as well pack his bags for him.

The problem Mitch, is that we don't really know what's on the table on any of these sides. If indeed the Cards are only offering 1 year at 10 mil., that's offensive & would certainly explain Warner's demeanor. I have been having a hard time understanding Warner's stand as this seems to be the antithesis of his history. But if this article is correct, I understand much better now & definetly side w/ Warner on this one.
 

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The problem Mitch, is that we don't really know what's on the table on any of these sides. If indeed the Cards are only offering 1 year at 10 mil., that's offensive & would certainly explain Warner's demeanor. I have been having a hard time understanding Warner's stand as this seems to be the antithesis of his history. But if this article is correct, I understand much better now & definetly side w/ Warner on this one.

I trust Michael Smith of ESPN who recently reported the Cardinals' offer as 2/23M/12MG...and he said that the Cardinals are not budging off that offer.

Thus the 49ers know that anything in Warner's original asking price of $14-15M will likely seal the deal.
 

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Great if you think now is the time to hate on the Cardinals.

There are also other interpretations one could use but hating is easier

I do not know who this writer is but he put into words exactly what I think. Warner is the heart and soul of this team. If we do not sign him we will get exactly what we deserve. A losing team in 2009 and the Bidwills will once again prove they are what they have always been. Cheapskates. They have a chance to change that perception but I fear there is a 50/50 shot they will do the wrong thing once again. Let go the best QB in the NFL in 2008 who took us to a place we have never been. He deserves to be paid in the range of what the top 5 QB's are paid. I do not care if he is 38. He has 1-2 years of good football left. I will be absolutely sick if we embarrass him and our owners and GM.
 

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It does quote the same article but also quotes ESPN sources. Not the same article at all. This article is from Sando, a very respected source IMHO.

They are all coming from the same source. That's the way it works. We have no confirmation this is true, only a source close to Warner (his agent?) is saying this. Hopefully the Cards won't let fan pressure dictate their decision.
 
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They are all coming from the same source. That's the way it works. We have no confirmation this is true, only a source close to Warner (his agent?) is saying this. Hopefully the Cards won't let fan pressure dictate their decision.

You're correct, we have no confirmation at this point. But I'm much more apt to believe Warner's camp than the Card's. I think history backs that up. Does this whole scenario more closely resemble Warner's past or the Card's? The odds are w/ Warner's story on this one.

I doubt we'll see any stories today out of Card's land refuting this story.
 

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I think KW has been great for the Cards and for the NFL... a true class act and a warrior... in this case, I think his success will be seriously stymied by playing SF and when we play them twice a year I feel his weaknesses will be exploited and the players he has to surround him will make those weaknesses more apparent. The offense we ran here and the three superior talents he was throwing to were a huge part of his success... I don't expect the same from ML right away, but I do believe he will be succesful in the NFL... time to start planning for it.
 

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You're correct, we have no confirmation at this point. But I'm much more apt to believe Warner's camp than the Card's. I think history backs that up. Does this whole scenario more closely resemble Warner's past or the Card's? The odds are w/ Warner's story on this one.

I doubt we'll see any stories today out of Card's land refuting this story.

Of course not. They don't negotiate through the media.

Remember all the negative stories going around while they were redoing Fitz's contract? Everyone was up in arms about how cheap the Cards were. Then when the real facts came out, the fans were indignant about how large the contract actually was. As it turns out the Cards weren't actually being cheap and furthermore, Fitz has justified his huge salary. Looks like both sides won.

Let's just take a deep breathe and wait until we have some concrete results before we jump overboard. We may be on the Titanic, but it ain't sunk yet.;)
 

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