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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/jack_mccallum/09/27/marion/

There are few more perplexing NBA personalities than Shawn Marion. Even after spending the entire 2005-06 season with Marion's Phoenix Suns for a book, I still find him a difficult guy to understand. Every question that arises about him only raises more questions.

I had lots of room to deal with the Marion paradox in the book and probably still didn't get it answered. But it's more relevant than ever right now because the Matrix has officially asked to be traded. SI.com colleague Marty Burns runs through the various possible trade scenarios in another space, so this is more about the complicated landscape that surrounds Marion and the only NBA team for which he's ever played.

Herewith, some questions and some answers. Whether it's all of them, I can't say.

1. Is Marion correct to feel slighted that the Suns have been trying to trade him?

Hell, yes. Any human being with a measurable pulse should feel bad if your (pick one -- company, family, girlfriend, team) wants to jettison your butt.

And, make no mistake about it, the Suns were trying to get rid of him long before he said it was time to hit the road. Whether management is correct in that stratagem is a different question, but Marion would've been gone to Boston by now had he and his agent, Dan Fegan, not thwarted a three-way deal with the Celtics that would've brought Kevin Garnett to Phoenix. (They told Celtics personnel boss Danny Ainge that Marion would opt out after one year, his right under his current contract.)

2. Is Marion being truthful when he told the Arizona Republic that the Suns' unwillingness to give him a three-year extension at about $60 million is only "part of why" he wants to leave and that the exact salary figures "aren't important?"

Hell, no. Had general manager Steve Kerr not told Marion point-blank that the Suns weren't going to extend him, not this season anyway, Marion would not be demanding a trade. He wants Paul Pierce contract numbers (Pierce is due about $60 million for the 2008-09, '09-10 and '10-11 seasons, while Marion is due $16.4 million this season and $17.8 next year) and felt rejected when told he wasn't going to get them. Yes, trade rumors were part of it, but nothing makes a player feel so wanted, so respected, as paying him what he considers to be his dollar value.

3. Is Marion correct in saying that he's underrated?

Hell, no. One of the ways you're "rated" is by how much money you're paid; Marion makes more money than any other Sun, including Steve Nash. Another way you're "rated" is by how many All-Star teams you make; Marion has made four in his eight seasons, plus one Olympic team (2004). People mention him all the time among the elite players, but he doesn't seem to get it. I remember Joe Dumars was correctly considered underrated for the first couple years of his career until he got proper recognition and, moreover, realized it. "I'm called underrated so often," Dumars once told me, "I've become overrated."

4. Is Marion a legit MVP candidate, as he claims?

Hell, no. He doesn't handle the ball well enough. He doesn't create his own shot. He's not the go-to guy in the clutch. (Nash is, or perhaps Amaré Stoudemire because he can get to the foul line.) He is not a team leader despite being a co-captain with Nash.

But that shouldn't upset him. Few players are MVP candidates. Not many stars in recent NBA history are more valuable to a team than Jason Kidd, and he's never won the award. Marion is a legit All-Star on a contending team, a role most players would die for.
5. Does Marion too often shrink from competition at big moments, as both Nash and coach Mike D'Antoni have intimated?

This isn't a hell yes. But it's a yes. Because he doesn't really create his own shot, I think Marion feels out of sync in the offense once in a while and can't figure out how to get himself going. On defense, I think he gets disheartened from time to time by having to compete against players who are bigger and stronger, which is often his lot. Overall, he gets frustrated at the defensive liabilities of his teammates, particularly those of Stoudemire, and tires of covering up for them.

6. Is Marion too often singled out for criticism?

Again, this isn't a hell yes. But it's a yes. In his private moments, D'Antoni even concedes that he sometimes gets on Marion so much because he expects so much from him. Whatever Nash's defensive liabilities, they don't come from a lack of effort, and when D'Antoni and the coaches get on Stoudemire for his poor defense, it seems to go unheard. D'Antoni gets all over Leandro Barbosa for shot selection, but he battles through it. Raja Bell is so hard on himself when he gets into a shooting funk that no one needs to do it for him. But Marion takes pointed criticism personally and feels that he is too often the only Sun in the blame game.

7. Would the Suns be a better team without Marion?

Hell, no. Either Lamar Odom's long-armed presence or Andrei Kirilenko's frenetic unpredictability would be nice complements in a Nash-Stoudemire offense, particularly because Grant Hill, about whom the Suns are excited, has looked so sharp in drills. But given the whole Marion package -- the automatic double-double, the sometimes accurate three-point shooting, the number of positions he can guard as well as the little things he does on defense (such as jumping over to double-team), the jaw-dropping athleticism, the relative indestructibility -- you have the portrait of a player who is hard to replace.

But here's a different question ...

8. Should the Suns work like hell to move him?

Yes. He can opt out after this season and they would get nothing. He feels unhappy and slighted. He's not going to get his desired money from owner Robert Sarver, who wants to avoid paying the luxury tax and reacts to the word extension the way, say, Hillary Clinton reacts to the word intern. Marion will never feel like a favored son/Sun in an environment with the uber-respected Nash and, now, Hill.

But Phoenix won't give him up for anything less than almost equal value. Raptors general manager Bryan Colangelo (who drafted Marion when he was the Suns' GM) would love to have the Matrix but is unwilling to part with Chris Bosh. The way it looks now, a deal would have to be done for either Odom or Kirilenko. And even if that gets done, it's no slam-dunk that the Suns will be better, though they might be happier.

i really trust this guys thoughts considering he spent a year with the team
 

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Hell no were not a better team without him, but we should work like hell to move him? Yeah that makes a ton of sense, if he only added we should work like hell to move him AFTER this season! Not now!
 

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And, make no mistake about it, the Suns were trying to get rid of him long before he said it was time to hit the road. Whether management is correct in that stratagem is a different question, but Marion would've been gone to Boston by now had he and his agent, Dan Fegan, not thwarted a three-way deal with the Celtics that would've brought Kevin Garnett to Phoenix. (They told Celtics personnel boss Danny Ainge that Marion would opt out after one year, his right under his current contract.)

More proof that Marion killed the KG deal. Wow, just wow.
 

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Why does Marion make public his demand to be traded on the eve of training camp? I'm sure he and his agent have conceived strategy relating to this. I hope the Suns FO do not accommodate Marion unless they get a fair offer in return. Kobe wanted to be traded and he's still in LA.
 

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I'm always perplexed about this "losing him for nothing" attitude. If he walks next year by opting out, we gain 17 mil cap room good for 3 MLE contracts or say something like Diaw + LB. Say we get Morris Peterson, Varajao for the MLE, we'd be a better team however you look at it.
 

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I'm always perplexed about this "losing him for nothing" attitude. If he walks next year by opting out, we gain 17 mil cap room good for 3 MLE contracts or say something like Diaw + LB. Say we get Morris Peterson, Varajao for the MLE, we'd be a better team however you look at it.

Money alone doesnt make the Suns better...They need players to sign the dotted line.
 

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Why does Marion make public his demand to be traded on the eve of training camp? I'm sure he and his agent have conceived strategy relating to this. I hope the Suns FO do not accommodate Marion unless they get a fair offer in return. Kobe wanted to be traded and he's still in LA.


It pays for players to shoot their mouths off...its called leverage.
 

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cly2tw, we won't be 17 mil under the cap because we're something like 15 mil over it. We'll be about 17 mil under Lux Tax limit so Sarver will be inclined to spend I imagine, but he'll have to wiggle through the usual loopholes to do it.
 

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Apparently he didn't. But don't veto trades only to demand a trade two months later. If you want to be traded just go!


He doesnt want to be traded just anywhere...I guess you dont know how the game works.
 

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He doesnt want to be traded just anywhere...I guess you dont know how the game works.

You are absolutely right, I never gathered that from all the comments.:rolleyes:

Man, I understand that he didn't want to go to Boston. But don't veto a trade to a team that was willing to give you a contract extension and then bitch and demand a trade because your current team tries to trade you and won't give you the extension.

Marion is acting like a spoiled athlete in this situation, where nothing is good enough unless it is exactly the way he wants it. I have news for him, no team in their right mind will pay him 20 million a year. No team.
 

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You are absolutely right, I never gathered that from all the comments.:rolleyes:

Man, I understand that he didn't want to go to Boston. But don't veto a trade to a team that was willing to give you a contract extension and then bitch and demand a trade because your current team tries to trade you and won't give you the extension.

Marion is acting like a spoiled athlete in this situation, where nothing is good enough unless it is exactly the way he wants it. I have news for him, no team in their right mind will pay him 20 million a year. No team.


Boston said they would give him 60 mill for 3 years?
 

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Man, I understand that he didn't want to go to Boston. But don't veto a trade to a team that was willing to give you a contract extension and then bitch and demand a trade because your current team tries to trade you and won't give you the extension.

This is exactly what the guy does all the time. He's a walking, talking paradox.

I've often thought that he must be easily influenced and have family and friends in his ear filling him full of crap.
 

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This is exactly what the guy does all the time. He's a walking, talking paradox.

I've often thought that he must be easily influenced and have family and friends in his ear filling him full of crap.

How can he be full of it when he has a players option for 17 mill next season?
 

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1. It would have been amazing to see Amare/Kevin/Hill on that frontline. Incredible how Marion prevented KG to Phoenix.

2. Jack McCallum is such a great basketball writer. Fantastic, truthful, read. Agree with everything.

3. I'd still try to trade Marion for Kirilenko. Rather have a happy, tall power forward (with slightly weaker statistics) instead of an uphappy, disruptive Marion who might not even accept his contract next season.

4. Kerr says chemistry is the number one thing to winning: Isn't brining Marion back harming that chemistry?
 
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can I write another open letter to Shawn Marion... Or will that get deleted or get me kicked off the board?
 

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I'm always perplexed about this "losing him for nothing" attitude. If he walks next year by opting out, we gain 17 mil cap room good for 3 MLE contracts or say something like Diaw + LB. Say we get Morris Peterson, Varajao for the MLE, we'd be a better team however you look at it.

Mo Pete + Varajao> Matrix

WOW!!
 

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I've often thought that he must be easily influenced and have family and friends in his ear filling him full of crap.


His AGENT is filling his ear full of crap, just like JJ's agent. Its in the best interest of the AGENT for more $$$$.
 

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To understand Marion you have to wonder what Marions thought process truly is, I am thinking it is something like this:

youknowwhatimsayin' youknowwhatimsayin' youknowwhatimsayin'

Food

youknowwhatimsayin' youknowwhatimsayin' youknowwhatimsayin'

Sex

youknowwhatimsayin' youknowwhatimsayin' youknowwhatimsayin'

Dunk the bball

youknowwhatimsayin' youknowwhatimsayin' youknowwhatimsayin'

Shoot the 3

youknowwhatimsayin' youknowwhatimsayin' youknowwhatimsayin'

Watch duck tales

youknowwhatimsayin' youknowwhatimsayin' youknowwhatimsayin'
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Truly a fascinating creature!
 

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I am sooo tired of Shawn Marion and I have been for last three years. So hes pissed because we offered him in a trade so he turns it down, waits a month.....and then demands a trade?

He could have had everything his selfish ass wanted in Boston - #2 status, weaker eastern conference, big baskeball mecca, and a likely extension,

F--- Shawn Marion for costing us KG. I hope they ship his punk @$$ to Utah so he can experience what life in Salt Lake is like.

He is dead to me.
 
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