Greatest Cardinals Ever?

[THESMEL]

What in God's name are you talking about?

Greatest Cardinal Ever is Bill Bidwill - and it ain’t even close
Link
https://res.cloudinary.com/nflclubs/image/upload/cardinals/kzx8lrhgtg8zdabekcsb.pdf

William V . Bidwill’s association with the Cardinals began as a child ball boy on Chicago’s South Side and continues today as owner .
A native of Chicago, Bill Bidwill presides over the oldest continuously-operated professional football fran- chise . Founded in 1898, the Cardinals join the Chicago Bears as the only two remaining charter members of the National Football League (1920) . As his involvement with the team continues through its eighth different decade, the current one has seen the franchise reach unprecedented heights .

 

[JeffGollin]

Ken Harvey?

 

[NJCardFan]

Greatest Cardinal Ever is Bill Bidwill - and it ain’t even close
Link
https://res.cloudinary.com/nflclubs/image/upload/cardinals/kzx8lrhgtg8zdabekcsb.pdf

William V . Bidwill’s association with the Cardinals began as a child ball boy on Chicago’s South Side and continues today as owner .
A native of Chicago, Bill Bidwill presides over the oldest continuously-operated professional football fran- chise . Founded in 1898, the Cardinals join the Chicago Bears as the only two remaining charter members of the National Football League (1920) . As his involvement with the team continues through its eighth different decade, the current one has seen the franchise reach unprecedented heights .

Again, the hell are you talking about? Billy Bids never wanted to build a winner and went out of his way to get rid of impact players in order to keep the team mediocre.

 

[THESMEL]

Again, the hell are you talking about? Billy Bids never wanted to build a winner and went out of his way to get rid of impact players in order to keep the team mediocre.

No Bill no Cardinals - no AZ Cardinals no NjCardFan - pretty simple really, what part of this do you not comprehend? No Bill or cardinal sacrifice when the Cardinals and the NFL were not a sure bet and Jerry Jones doesn’t buy the cowboys and doesn’t get elected into the football HOF for investing into a pretty low risk venture.

In my opinion Bill Bidwills tough principled decisions kept the Red Sea alive and trudging forward into history while other teams, owners and leagues collapsed and went into the trash heap of history - even had much extra for charity - Bill fanned through the card - Pitt era when not talking German was the worlds top priority - served in the Navy -afl merger and has taken the worse beatings in sports and maybe business history -

It’s easy to criticize from the cheap seats - but it kind of proves that some things (principles) are more important than winning - I’ll go to war for Bill - cause he has bled Cardinal red with sustained passion through the entire NFL experiment. So you better stick with me - Cause from Ball boy to Cardinal Owner - Bill Bidwill is way out of your and Jerry Jones league.

Here is the easy inactive team list, supposing you don’t want to read deep into football - it’s the pro football HOF not the NFL HOF - to comprehend that Lil Billy Bidwill has forgot more about football than most even knew existed.

Tap the arrow to show rows 21 -91 to see 70 more inactive teams that Bill could school Jerry Jones about - because he was there - the pig in a ham and egg breakfast - the chicken is envolved - but the big is committed!

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/

 

[oaken1]

Again, the hell are you talking about? Billy Bids never wanted to build a winner and went out of his way to get rid of impact players in order to keep the team mediocre.

thats just wrong. you must be new here.

billy B didnt have the money to build a winner. for the longest time the Cardinals owners were the only ones in the nfl whose only source of income was football...no oil companies, no software companies,...just football

but they didnt have a stadium to generate revenue in order to be competitive...

Billy B, being an old fashioned guy...made the critical mistake of making a deal with Phoenix on a handshake(like men do) rather than a legally bound contract. he moved his team to Phoenix and proceeded to get screwed for 20 years by the politicians who promised a stadium... also got screwed by ASU who had promised to split the parking revenue but failed to do so for 18 years... then when they lost in court they doubled the cost of parking and had students picketing the parking lots telling everybody that the cardinals doubled their parking cost.
... the VERY MOMENT the cardinals got a stadium they started giving better contracts, signing better players, and the team became competitive.

it takes revenue streams to be competitive in the nfl...Billy B never had those revenue streams. Yes he handed the team over to Mike, and that also coincides with the team being competitive... but it also coincides with the new revenue streams....and old man Bill being , well...old. but the fact remains that Billy B never had the revenue to run the team the way it is being run now... if you want to hate on someone for the team sucking so long, hate on the politicians... had they been man enough to honor the deal they shook on.... the team would have been competitive years sooner than it was.

in all honesty, if it had been my team I would have moved them out of Phoenix after only a few years... Phoenix didnt deserve an nfl team....Phoenix, mesa, Tempe,...and especially asu...all of them abused that team and did every thing they could to ***** out the redbirds for their own gain... the battles they had over where the team could put a stadium were embarrassing to the entire state.
Billy B had the sense to give them all the finger and make his own deal in glendale...because he was tired of being screwed.

but yeah...go ahead and hate on the old guy..its easy, he never has been the type to go on the news and make his case, he stays private...so its easy. But you are wrong.

 

[NJCardFan]

thats just wrong. you must be new here.

billy B didnt have the money to build a winner. for the longest time the Cardinals owners were the only ones in the nfl whose only source of income was football...no oil companies, no software companies,...just football

but they didnt have a stadium to generate revenue in order to be competitive...

Billy B, being an old fashioned guy...made the critical mistake of making a deal with Phoenix on a handshake(like men do) rather than a legally bound contract. he moved his team to Phoenix and proceeded to get screwed for 20 years by the politicians who promised a stadium... also got screwed by ASU who had promised to split the parking revenue but failed to do so for 18 years... then when they lost in court they doubled the cost of parking and had students picketing the parking lots telling everybody that the cardinals doubled their parking cost.
... the VERY MOMENT the cardinals got a stadium they started giving better contracts, signing better players, and the team became competitive.

it takes revenue streams to be competitive in the nfl...Billy B never had those revenue streams. Yes he handed the team over to Mike, and that also coincides with the team being competitive... but it also coincides with the new revenue streams....and old man Bill being , well...old. but the fact remains that Billy B never had the revenue to run the team the way it is being run now... if you want to hate on someone for the team sucking so long, hate on the politicians... had they been man enough to honor the deal they shook on.... the team would have been competitive years sooner than it was.

in all honesty, if it had been my team I would have moved them out of Phoenix after only a few years... Phoenix didnt deserve an nfl team....Phoenix, mesa, Tempe,...and especially asu...all of them abused that team and did every thing they could to ***** out the redbirds for their own gain... the battles they had over where the team could put a stadium were embarrassing to the entire state.
Billy B had the sense to give them all the finger and make his own deal in glendale...because he was tired of being screwed.

but yeah...go ahead and hate on the old guy..its easy, he never has been the type to go on the news and make his case, he stays private...so its easy. But you are wrong.

Bill Bidwill is famously quoted as saying he didn't want to win the Super Bowl because he'd have to pay his players more. And I'm new? I guarantee I've been a fan long before you have. This team did exist long before moving to Arizona. Conrad Dobler said in his book how cheap Bidwill was. In the days when they used to sell out Busch Stadium, he never spent the money to bring in players. In 28 years in St. Louis the Cards made the playoffs 4 times and he was notorious for under paying players. This is a fact.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

thats just wrong. you must be new here.

billy B didnt have the money to build a winner. for the longest time the Cardinals owners were the only ones in the nfl whose only source of income was football...no oil companies, no software companies,...just football

but they didnt have a stadium to generate revenue in order to be competitive...

Billy B, being an old fashioned guy...made the critical mistake of making a deal with Phoenix on a handshake(like men do) rather than a legally bound contract (like smart men do). he moved his team to Phoenix and proceeded to get screwed for 20 years by the politicians who promised a stadium... also got screwed by ASU who had promised to split the parking revenue but failed to do so for 18 years... then when they lost in court they doubled the cost of parking and had students picketing the parking lots telling everybody that the cardinals doubled their parking cost.
... the VERY MOMENT the cardinals got a stadium they started giving better contracts, signing better players, and the team became competitive..

it takes revenue streams to be competitive in the nfl...Billy B never had those revenue streams. Yes he handed the team over to Mike, and that also coincides with the team being competitive... but it also coincides with the new revenue streams....and old man Bill being , well...old. but the fact remains that Billy B never had the revenue to run the team the way it is being run now... if you want to hate on someone for the team sucking so long, hate on the politicians... had they been man enough to honor the deal they shook on.... the team would have been competitive years sooner than it was.

in all honesty, if it had been my team I would have moved them out of Phoenix after only a few years... Phoenix didnt deserve an nfl team....Phoenix, mesa, Tempe,...and especially asu...all of them abused that team and did every thing they could to ***** out the redbirds for their own gain... the battles they had over where the team could put a stadium were embarrassing to the entire state.
Billy B had the sense to give them all the finger and make his own deal in glendale...because he was tired of being screwed.

but yeah...go ahead and hate on the old guy..its easy, he never has been the type to go on the news and make his case, he stays private...so its easy. But you are wrong.

FTFY.

So it was bill’s lack of foresight and business acumen that held the team back. Oh and making terrible GM and coaching hires. None of which absolves him from putting a hideous product on the field. I will never understand you apologists.

 

[ARZCardinals]

Bill B. Hahahahahahaha!!!!
Same guy who charged him players for shoes, pads and even Gatorade.
He never wanted to win, it was 100% about making $.
It was because of owners like Bill the NFL made the rule that owners MUST spend a certain percentage percentage of the salary cap.
His son was the best thing to happen for the fans. Michael had to be a whipping boy for his school mates...he bragged that his family owned the Cards and his schoolmates all said ‘yea but they suck!’ And he never stopped hearing it even as he became an attorney. It’s easy to see why he’s building a winner...he won’t let his kids live that misery.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Bill B. Hahahahahahaha!!!!
Same guy who charged him players for shoes, pads and even Gatorade.
He never wanted to win, it was 100% about making $.
It was because of owners like Bill the NFL made the rule that owners MUST spend a certain percentage percentage of the salary cap.
His son was the best thing to happen for the fans. Michael had to be a whipping boy for his school mates...he bragged that his family owned the Cards and his schoolmates all said ‘yea but they suck!’ And he never stopped hearing it even as he became an attorney. It’s easy to see why he’s building a winner...he won’t let his kids live that misery.

To be fair the stadium allowed mike b to be better than his father. But his fathers decisions were always atrocious so he gets no pass from me.

 

[THESMEL]

My understanding is Bidwills had the same handshake from St. Louis in 1960 - never happened - was a traveling team since the 1880’s - my family settled Pinetop in the 1870’s and lost the ranch in the depression - couldn’t make the $11 a month payment - situation sucks but we ain’t victims - once a victim you hand your fate over to the situation.

What the hell am I talking about haha?

Just saying -
he who turns and runs away - may live to fight another day
But he who holds and makes a stand - may never rise to fight again.

Bill could have took more risk but bought out family and paid out on the safe side - so he still has his team - worth near a billion dollars now - many others came and risked and failed - his dad loaned cash to the bears and other teams - Bill has given much to charity - and kept his principle and his word.

You all seem very loose with Bill Bidwills money - but would you still be owner or whiners- faced with the same challenges over 8 decades? I’d bet on him again, not you-

Making him the greatest Cardinal ever.

 

[JeffGollin]

Good intentions and being so intricate a part of the team's fortunes probably makes Mr B an automatic HOF inductee.

But if you award the honor soley on merit, you're looking at a mediocre track record made all the more apparent when you compare the performance of the team (& the key decisions that drove it) with the way the team performed with Michael at the helm.

It was like the sunlight entering the room when you raisr the window shades.

Night and day.

 

[Cardsmasochist]

Tom Tupa. There I said it


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[NJCardFan]

My understanding is Bidwills had the same handshake from St. Louis in 1960 - never happened - was a traveling team since the 1880’s - my family settled Pinetop in the 1870’s and lost the ranch in the depression - couldn’t make the $11 a month payment - situation sucks but we ain’t victims - once a victim you hand your fate over to the situation.

What the hell am I talking about haha?

Just saying -
he who turns and runs away - may live to fight another day
But he who holds and makes a stand - may never rise to fight again.

Bill could have took more risk but bought out family and paid out on the safe side - so he still has his team - worth near a billion dollars now - many others came and risked and failed - his dad loaned cash to the bears and other teams - Bill has given much to charity - and kept his principle and his word.

You all seem very loose with Bill Bidwills money - but would you still be owner or whiners- faced with the same challenges over 8 decades? I’d bet on him again, not you-

Making him the greatest Cardinal ever.

You do realize that the Cards were a literal laughing stock for decades, right? He never set out to build a winner and if you're claiming that he had a deal with St. Louis which never materialized which happened again in Phoenix, kinda says something about his business acumen, don't you think? Also, as I said, he did his best to not have a winner and when he finally had one, he blew the team up(1977), languished again for a while, started to build another contender, then did nothing with the team then moved to Phoenix and went 10 years before getting a winning team and immediately blew that team up. Back to St. Louis though. Don't you find it funny that after he took his team and ran that the city got around to building the domed stadium he wanted for the Rams? In short, Bill Bidwill was a horrible owner who turned the Cards into a laughing stock in all sports not just football. Thankfully he turned the team over to his son who built this team into a contender.

 

[Buckybird]

Greatest Cardinal Ever is Bill Bidwill - and it ain’t even close
Link
https://res.cloudinary.com/nflclubs/image/upload/cardinals/kzx8lrhgtg8zdabekcsb.pdf

William V . Bidwill’s association with the Cardinals began as a child ball boy on Chicago’s South Side and continues today as owner .
A native of Chicago, Bill Bidwill presides over the oldest continuously-operated professional football fran- chise . Founded in 1898, the Cardinals join the Chicago Bears as the only two remaining charter members of the National Football League (1920) . As his involvement with the team continues through its eighth different decade, the current one has seen the franchise reach unprecedented heights .

Not to be disrespectful but something is wrong with your mind lol

I would be willing to bet if you asked Michael Bidwill whom is the greatest Cardinal ever is, his response from his own mouth wouldn’t be his dad.

 

[Buckybird]

I’d vote:

1) #11
2) #8
3) #35
4) #13
5) #72
6)#81 WR
7)#81 TE
8) #22
9) #2
10) #17

 

[Jetstream Green]

I’d vote:

1) #11
2) #8
3) #35
4) #13
5) #72
6)#81 WR
7)#81 TE
8) #22
9) #2
10) #17

Luv me some Boldin but that WR has to be Roy Green

 

[Buckybird]

Luv me some Boldin but that WR has to be Roy Green

It’s Roy trust me! I didn’t specify but he was special

 

[THESMEL]

Not to be disrespectful but something is wrong with your mind lol

I would be willing to bet if you asked Michael Bidwill whom is the greatest Cardinal ever is, his response from his own mouth wouldn’t be his dad.

I stated bills case best I could, I realize the cards are the losing most sports franchise in history, That Bill blew up teams after success, refusing to over pay for player services. My point is he lived through many owners that overpaid and now have defunct teams in in defunct leagues. Few know what he knows about his dads million dollar back field and good efforts gone bad. From ball boy to owner over 8 decades - but the the losing made his fortitude aga8nst extreme odds, including yours, is even more epic.

 

[pmacLean]

If this had been titled "Greatest Cardinal Ever ? (after of course, Fitz) ... it would have made more sense