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I am listening to Denny Green interview on 910 AM. Denny is just "gushing" about Josh.

"If you want to talk about the fastest QB in the league, Josh is in to the top five. If you want to talk about the best basketball player in the league, Josh is in the top five. If you want to talk about the best QB-athlete in the League, Josh is in the top five."

He went on to say that Josh played with confidence and without fear (man is THAT different from how I saw Blake play; Blake plays scared).

Also positive statements on Emmitt and his confidence in his ability to contribute to the Cardinals. He did NOT say that Emmitt would start but would compete with Shipp.

He said his coaching staffs were loaded with young rising stars who were ambitious and he felt he had a future Tony Dungee and a future Bilichick. He said he follows the method of Bill Walsh in picking assistant coaches who will be future head coaches in this league and it has been successful for him.

Sorry I didn't hear more, but work interrupted. Some people have no sense of priorities!
 
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Originally posted by Redheart
"If you want to talk about the fastest QB in the league, Josh is in to the top five. If you want to talk about the best basketball player in the league, Josh is in the top five. If you want to talk about the best QB-athlete in the League, Josh is in the top five."

He went on to say that Josh and confidence and played without fear

Boomshakalaka!!

Trade down a couple of spots for some sucka that wants Fitzgerald, pick up another second rounder, draft Steven Jackson and roll out the points baby!!
 

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"If you want to talk about the best basketball player in the league, Josh is in the top five."


Yeah that's true but Josh is really a combo guard and we need a SF so it makes perfect sense to take Ben. I hear Taylor is more of a swingman, so both guys still make sense. my real concern is we still don't have a true Center to block shots and give us post offense. Now that Mac and marmie are gone maybe we can play some different defenses, I've always been a huge fan of John Chaney's matchup zone, maybe Green can get him to consult for us?
 

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Re: Re: Green on Josh and others...

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Boomshakalaka!!

Trade down a couple of spots for some sucka that wants Fitzgerald, pick up another second rounder, draft Steven Jackson and roll out the points baby!!

Despite Mortensen's report last week, Fitzgerald still has not been cleared to enter the draft yet. I wish the decision would be announced. The Cards need him to be in the draft pool.
 

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Top 5 B-ball player!?

Who cares? I don't remember who else I read was a good cager in the NFL, but I know that these guys play semi-pro ball:

Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Tony Gonzales. There's someone else, but I don't remember. I hear Master P posterizes Josh, though.

Regardless, I'm not sure how ringing an endorsement that really is. Notice Denny didn't say anything about Josh's accuracy, arm strength, decision-making, etc. This sounds a lot like a smoke-screen to me.

QB-athelete is an interesting question:

1. Mike Vick
2. Donnie McNabb
3. Daunte Culpepper
T4. Quincy Carter
T4. Aaron Brooks

I don't know about all that. I do agree with Krang that Josh is, without question, the most athletic/fastest white QB in the NFL, but to say that he's a Top 5 QB athlete might be a bit of a stretch.
 

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Originally posted by Redheart
I am listening to Denny Green interview on 910 AM. Denny is just "gushing" about Josh.

"If you want to talk about the fastest QB in the league, Josh is in to the top five. If you want to talk about the best basketball player in the league, Josh is in the top five. If you want to talk about the best QB-athlete in the League, Josh is in the top five."

He went on to say that Josh played with confidence and without fear (man is THAT different from how I saw Blake play; Blake plays scared).


Weren't you the guy with the "Deer-in-the-headlights" avatar for McCown?

To me, that public praise means one of two things. 1) He's trying to boost McCown's confidence and/or light a fire under Blake. Or, 2) He's looking to trade McCown.
 

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Re: Top 5 B-ball player!?

Originally posted by kerouac9


1. Mike Vick
2. Donnie McNabb
3. Daunte Culpepper
T4. Quincy Carter
T4. Aaron Brooks

Eh, I dunno. Quincy Carter to me doesn't look all that talented, same with Brooks.
McNugget just plain sucks as a QB, I don't care what anyone says. I think Charlie Ward was both a better football player and basketball player.
Vick's the only one on this list that really stands out.
 

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Re: Re: Green on Josh and others...

Originally posted by ajcardfan
Weren't you the guy with the "Deer-in-the-headlights" avatar for McCown?

To me, that public praise means one of two things. 1) He's trying to boost McCown's confidence and/or light a fire under Blake. Or, 2) He's looking to trade McCown.

Or maybe it's a smoke screen to get other clubs to think we won't be drafting a QB.
 

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Re: Re: Top 5 B-ball player!?

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Eh, I dunno. Quincy Carter to me doesn't look all that talented, same with Brooks.
McNugget just plain sucks as a QB, I don't care what anyone says. I think Charlie Ward was both a better football player and basketball player.
Vick's the only one on this list that really stands out.

I don't really like Brooks, Carter, or McNabb, but I'm talking about the Top QB-Athletes in the league, and I think that those are the top 5. Josh might be 6, but Mike McMahon might be, too.
 
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Originally posted by Russ Smith
"If you want to talk about the best basketball player in the league, Josh is in the top five."


Yeah that's true but Josh is really a combo guard and we need a SF so it makes perfect sense to take Ben. I hear Taylor is more of a swingman, so both guys still make sense. my real concern is we still don't have a true Center to block shots and give us post offense. Now that Mac and marmie are gone maybe we can play some different defenses, I've always been a huge fan of John Chaney's matchup zone, maybe Green can get him to consult for us?

LOL!

Yea, I thought the same thing when I heard that basketball reference! I wanted to make sure I included it. The obvious point he was trying to make was speaking to Josh's athletic ability.

Green's reputation is that he has an eye for QB talent and it sounded like he viewed Josh VERY positively. Then again, it all could be pre-draft smoke.
 
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Re: Re: Green on Josh and others...

Originally posted by ajcardfan
Weren't you the guy with the "Deer-in-the-headlights" avatar for McCown?

To me, that public praise means one of two things. 1) He's trying to boost McCown's confidence and/or light a fire under Blake. Or, 2) He's looking to trade McCown.

Yes I am and yes he was!

But I am not to proud to eat a little road-kill venison. You can't argue with giving Josh props for his performance against the Vikes. That was good test for him against a good team trying to make the play-offs.

Just for grins...
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=20971
 

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Originally posted by SECTION 11
Ever see Sage Rosenfels play lawn darts? That dude's got insane skills.

I hear McCown is the best ping pong player on the team too.

He is a great athlete but I agree with AJ, the more Green talks him up the more I suspect he wants to trade him and draft Ben.

Looking at Denny in Minnesota the only time he went with a young, raw Qb was Culpepper, in every other case he took a veteran and "resurrected" him, I fully expect he thinks he can do that with Blake here.

Josh certainly has some of the skills Daunte does but I don't see Denny handing him the keys the way he did Culpepper, I don't even think he'd do that with Eli or Ben right away.
 

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Originally posted by Russ Smith
I hear McCown is the best ping pong player on the team too.

He is a great athlete but I agree with AJ, the more Green talks him up the more I suspect he wants to trade him and draft Ben.

We took him at #81. We'd have to get something considerably higher than that in order for trading him to make any sense.

And yeah, he rules the ping pong table.
 
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I don't understand the knocks on McCown

Early last season many if not most posters on here complained that we didn't know enough about McCown's potential because of his limited playing time to that point.

Well he played four games at the end of the season, and aside from some comic relief moments (I still chuckle when I think about the pass bouncing off of Sheltons head!) Josh played fairly decently in his first significant NFL exposure. I think the kid did show glimpses of what he may be capable of. It is fairly obvious that he does have all the physical tools to be a top QB in the NFL.

The real question that remains is does he have the mentality to be a top NFL QB. Only time and continued opportunity will tell.
The Plummer Experiment went six years. I for one believe that Josh McCown deserves at least a fraction of the same consideration.

Will he ever develop into his potential and be a top QB in the league, who knows? But I would rather see him get the chance to prove himself with the Cardinals, than be cut short, only to have a great career for some other team.

I am definately not suggesting that he be given "carte blanche" like Plummer was. I have no problem if we get a FA or draft someone to compete with McCown for the spot; and I figure Blake is already in the competition.

Regardless of what some may think it still takes several years for a QB to develop in this league Josh has been in the league two years and has played most of only five games. Way to premature to make a final decision on him yet.
 

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Originally posted by Russ Smith
"If you want to talk about the best basketball player in the league, Josh is in the top five."


my real concern is we still don't have a true Center to block shots and give us post offense.


Maybe when Manute Bol is done playing hockey, he'll give football a shot? Think about all the FGs and XPs that guy could block! :D
 

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Re: Top 5 B-ball player!?

Originally posted by kerouac9
Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Tony Gonzales. There's someone else, but I don't remember. I hear Master P posterizes Josh, though.

Julius Peppers was a pretty good power forward at UNC.

But you're right, who cares!
 

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The current Sporting News has a list of running backs "worth Keeping". there must have been 15 or so on the list. It even mentoned Thomas Jones and said he averaged 91yds over his last 4 games.

Shipp was not even mentioned?
 

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Re: Top 5 B-ball player!?

Originally posted by kerouac9
Who cares? I don't remember who else I read was a good cager in the NFL, but I know that these guys play semi-pro ball:

Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Tony Gonzales. There's someone else, but I don't remember. I hear Master P posterizes Josh, though.

Regardless, I'm not sure how ringing an endorsement that really is. Notice Denny didn't say anything about Josh's accuracy, arm strength, decision-making, etc. This sounds a lot like a smoke-screen to me.

QB-athelete is an interesting question:

1. Mike Vick
2. Donnie McNabb
3. Daunte Culpepper
T4. Quincy Carter
T4. Aaron Brooks

I don't know about all that. I do agree with Krang that Josh is, without question, the most athletic/fastest white QB in the NFL, but to say that he's a Top 5 QB athlete might be a bit of a stretch.

Give me Ed "To Tall" Jones at center.
 

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Re: Re: Top 5 B-ball player!?

Originally posted by john h
Give me Ed "To Tall" Jones at center.

How about Gonzales the tight end who was an All American forward at UCLA. I think he could have made it in the NBA. Our Arkansas QB Matt Jones opted to wait until next year to enter the draft. He is 6'6" and is playing forward on our basketball team. He also can play wide receiiver and may enter the NFL draft as a wide receiver
 

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Re: Re: Re: Top 5 B-ball player!?

Originally posted by john h
How about Gonzales the tight end who was an All American forward at UCLA. I think he could have made it in the NBA. Our Arkansas QB Matt Jones opted to wait until next year to enter the draft. He is 6'6" and is playing forward on our basketball team. He also can play wide receiiver and may enter the NFL draft as a wide receiver

Gonzalez went to Cal and he was hardly an all american, was in HS but not college.

Don't forget Teyo Johnson with the Raiders, played hoops at Stanford.
 

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Sorry John but Gonzalez played at Cal not UCLA. In a college career, he only started 18 games and only averaged 6.4 pts. per game and 4.2 rebounds. He is 6'4" and really doesn't have the size to play forward in the NBA. He tried to use this as leverage against the Chiefs a couple of years ago and Peterson didn't buy the bluff, hence Tony is still a pro bowl tight end and not playing pro basketball.:thumbup:
 

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Fair enough, I'm not really knocking Josh I'm saying being a great athlete is nice but my real concern with him is his head and until I see Green and the new offensive coaches talking about how he's picking things up there, I'm going to be suspicious when Denny talks him up assuming he's trying to trade him.

Let's face it, if we could get a 2nd rounder for Josh and we KNEW we could get Ben, there's a lot of good players likely to be there in the 2nd round. You'd have to at least CONSIDER the move. I don't think we can get that for Blake now unless some playoff team loses their QB and needs a veteran to hold down the fort.

Trading Josh makes no sense if we're not drafting a QB, so if we take Taylor or a WR or RB, by all means do NOT consider trading Josh.

I think he's talented, I just think in terms of "managing a game" he's got a ways to go and that's a real issue when you talk about passing up on Ben Roethlisberger for Josh(if we get the chance).
 

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Originally posted by Russ Smith
Fair enough, I'm not really knocking Josh I'm saying being a great athlete is nice but my real concern with him is his head and until I see Green and the new offensive coaches talking about how he's picking things up there, I'm going to be suspicious when Denny talks him up assuming he's trying to trade him.

Let's face it, if we could get a 2nd rounder for Josh and we KNEW we could get Ben, there's a lot of good players likely to be there in the 2nd round. You'd have to at least CONSIDER the move. I don't think we can get that for Blake now unless some playoff team loses their QB and needs a veteran to hold down the fort.

Trading Josh makes no sense if we're not drafting a QB, so if we take Taylor or a WR or RB, by all means do NOT consider trading Josh.

I think he's talented, I just think in terms of "managing a game" he's got a ways to go and that's a real issue when you talk about passing up on Ben Roethlisberger for Josh(if we get the chance).

Well, it is excessively difficult for them to determine how well McCown manages a game being the new coaching staff because I think we all had questions just how well the old staff managed the game. I don't think we can say right now that Ben R manages and NFL game any better than Josh does so the issue would remain.

Based on what Green was saying on the radio, I read it more that green was talking up his athletic ability and really not alot else. I don't think it is a smoke screen since McCown IS very athletic.

Personally, I don't think trading Josh makes any sense even if the Cards DO draft a QB at #3. Blake would be gone after this up coming season likely so why not keep McCown around and let him continue to develop. He isn't a major hit on the cap or anything plus he has shown he CAN play in the NFL thus far. Then he could step in at #2 (assuming you are able to re-sign him) after Blake is gone.

You could even keep Parsons on the practice squad since I kind of doubt there would be much interest in him (although some posters here probably think of him as Preston Montana given how they gush).
 

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