Green Still a Dodger

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Green still a Dodger, Perez returns
Slugger unable to negotiate extension with D-Backs
By Ken Gurnick / MLB.com


Odalis Perez will vie for one of the Dodgers' starting rotation spots. (Jill Weisleder/Dodgers)



LOS ANGELES -- Shawn Green is still a Dodger -- for now -- and so is Odalis Perez.
A second Green trade to the Arizona Diamondbacks stalled Thursday morning, when Green, unable to agree to a contract extension with his former agent, Diamondbacks chief executive Jeff Moorad, declined to waive his no-trade power.

The 48-hour window for Green and the D-Backs to negotiate closed at 9 a.m. PT Thursday. It's possible both sides could seek an extension to continue talks.

But barring an eleventh-hour turnaround, the negotiating impasse scuttles a deal which would have sent Green and half of his $16 million salary to Arizona for catcher Dioner Navarro, a Yankees prospect, and pitcher William Juarez.

The trade was designed primarily to redirect payroll to pay for the re-signing of pitcher Odalis Perez, who will return to the club anyway with a three-year, $24 million contract, if he passes a physical Friday.

Perez, who was 7-6 with a 3.25 ERA in 2005, rejoins a starting rotation that includes Jeff Weaver, Brad Penny and Kazuhisa Ishii. Although the club has been negotiating with free agent Esteban Loaiza, contenders for the fifth starter's spot currently include Edwin Jackson, Elmer Dessens and Wilson Alvarez.




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When the winter started with a large pool of free agent pitchers, Perez was seen as a longshot to be back in Chavez Ravine. But Dodgers general manager Paul DePodesta has said the pitching market escalated faster than anticipated and, in the club's opinion, Perez represented the best remaining value.

That was the case only after DePodesta pulled the plug on the first Green trade to Arizona -- a complicated three-team arrangement that would have brought the Dodgers a package of players, including pitcher Javier Vazquez, and sent Randy Johnson from Arizona to the Yankees. DePodesta backed out because Vazquez was reluctant to play on the West Coast.

The teams restructured the deal as separate transactions a week later and the Dodgers gave permission for the Diamondbacks to have a 48-hour window (through Thursday morning) to conduct negotiations with Green. Although industry sources speculated that the friendship between Green and Moorad assured the desired result, Arizona apparently offered a multi-year extension at $9 million annually, a cut Green felt was too drastic.

At least for now, Green returns for the final season of his six-year contract to a club that has tried mightily to trade him, tightening up both the roster and the payroll. With the signing of free agent J.D. Drew to join Milton Bradley and Jayson Werth in the outfield, Green would be the Dodgers' first baseman. Hee-Seop Choi would most likely begin the year on the bench, although DePodesta acquired Choi and wants him to play.

Should Green remain, the lineup appears potent. The batting order would include six players either proven or believed capable of hitting 25 or more home runs -- Bradley, Werth, Drew, Green, Jeff Kent and Jose Valentin.

The chances that Green could still be dealt are now remote. Because he lives in Southern California, it is doubtful he would approve a move anywhere other than Anaheim or San Diego, unlikely trade partners at this late date.

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[coyoteshockeyfan]

Good, go for Burnitz instead and use the extra money we are saving on not getting Green on S. Drew and/or hopefully a 4th starting pitcher. I like Green, but not for the contract he was looking for, especially with our surplus of excellent OF prospects that should make an impact in a year or two.

 

[sunsfn]

Good, go for Burnitz instead and use the extra money we are saving on not getting Green on S. Drew and hopefully a 4th starting pitcher. I like Green, but not for the contract he was looking for, especially with our surplus of excellent OF prospects that should make an impact in a year or two.

My sentiments exactly!!

 

[Evil Ash]

I still have a feeling that this deal will eventually get done. Green doesn't want to be on the Dodgers, the Dodgers want to get rid of his salary (they wanted to use the money that they had relieved from Green's contract on re-signing Perez), and the Dbacks seem like the only trade partners for him.

The Dodgers will probably have to give up more $$$. Although I wonder if this opens the door for us to get someone like Penny instead (Dodgers are now $8 million over budget thanks to the trade not going through), the Dodgers might start to get desperate to get rid of salary and a starting pitcher on his way to arbitration may be the start of that

 

[Gee!]

What a nice lil piece of crap organization this has turned out to be.

 

[KingLouieLouie]

I would think at least that the Dbacks had some contractual agreement w/Green when they acquired Dioner Navarro (who the Dbacks obviously have no room/need for).....

I just hope they didnt burn their bridges with Burnitz since he's the only viable OF option that is available.... I heard how the Reds have considered trading Adam Dunn since their Austin Kearns 3rd base experiment failed.... I just don't know what types of players the Reds are seeking.....

The Dbacks better not end up with Hillenbrand at 1B and Tracy in RF... Both are the same type of hitters (lack true pure power), and none would improve Glaus such as Green or Burnitz would be hitting behind him.....

I still don't envision Vasquez being in a Dback uniform (I still project him going to the Marlins), so hopefully they can get some power-hitter for him (of course I'm still enamored with Jason Stokes)......

I'm intrigued about the AJ Burnett/Barry Zito rumors...how the Dbacks would acquire either w/out Vasquez being involved... I wonder which prospects they're willing to sacrifice since that's what both Oakland and Florida are demanding since they subscribe to "Money Ball.....

Of course....they must still say no to Shawn Estes and the getting Steve Reed wouldnt be all too bad since he's the stablizing arm that their in dire need of in that bullpen......

 

[Phill11]

I would think at least that the Dbacks had some contractual agreement w/Green when they acquired Dioner Navarro (who the Dbacks obviously have no room/need for).....

I just hope they didnt burn their bridges with Burnitz since he's the only viable OF option that is available.... I heard how the Reds have considered trading Adam Dunn since their Austin Kearns 3rd base experiment failed.... I just don't know what types of players the Reds are seeking.....

The Dbacks better not end up with Hillenbrand at 1B and Tracy in RF... Both are the same type of hitters (lack true pure power), and none would improve Glaus such as Green or Burnitz would be hitting behind him.....

I still don't envision Vasquez being in a Dback uniform (I still project him going to the Marlins), so hopefully they can get some power-hitter for him (of course I'm still enamored with Jason Stokes)......

I'm intrigued about the AJ Burnett/Barry Zito rumors...how the Dbacks would acquire either w/out Vasquez being involved... I wonder which prospects they're willing to sacrifice since that's what both Oakland and Florida are demanding since they subscribe to "Money Ball.....

Of course....they must still say no to Shawn Estes and the getting Steve Reed wouldnt be all too bad since he's the stablizing arm that their in dire need of in that bullpen......

I'm pretty content with our pen. Villareal, Valverde, Aqunio, and Koplove are pretty good. Figure them all to combine for 70+ inning each. So that's about 300 innings. Add in Randolph (Only to face LHB.), Raggio (The guy doesn't have a ton of stuff, but he's got the heart) and one other person, maybe Reed, and we have a very good pen.

I'd kill to have Dunn. He'd be the best pickup ever. He's a guy that will strike out a lot, but he'll have an awesome OBP, Homers, RBI's, and stolen bases. Being a huge Dunn fan, I'd love to see this.

As crazy as this sounds. We should talk about a deal with FLO/OAK, a three way, and attempt to get Burnett AND Zito. We could trade Vazquez to FLO for Burnett and prospects. Then have those prospects sent straight to OAK for Zito.

Then, a deal like Terrero (He'd a shame to see traded, but I don't think he'll be a stud), Hillenbrand, and prospects/players to CIN for Dunn.

Dream team for 2005:

1) Craig Counsell SS
2) Chad Tracy RF
3) Luis Gonzalez LF
4) Adam Dunn 1B
5) Troy Glaus 3B
6) Shawn Green CF
7) Alex Cintron 2B
8) Robby Hammock C

That'd be an AWESOME lineup. The thing is, I'm not sure Green wants to come here. If we could get LA to do Green, $10 million for Snyder and that SP prospect, I'd jump at it. Offer Green a 2 Year/$8.5 million dollar extension. Then let Drew Walk if we can get Dunn.

Then our rotation consiting of:
1) Barry Zito
2) Russ Ortiz
3) Brandon Webb
4) AJ Burnett
5) Try Villareal here?

 

[KingLouieLouie]

I'm pretty content with our pen. Villareal, Valverde, Aqunio, and Koplove are pretty good. Figure them all to combine for 70+ inning each. So that's about 300 innings. Add in Randolph (Only to face LHB.), Raggio (The guy doesn't have a ton of stuff, but he's got the heart) and one other person, maybe Reed, and we have a very good pen.

I'm jiust concerned that Valverde and Villarreal arent fully recovered from their respective injuries (and could reinjured themselves again) and Aquino's performance was a "small sample size"....No guarantees that he'll duplicate that again in '05.... Koplove and Raggio both also have had history of arm ailments, so someone like Reed would be ideal.....

I'd kill to have Dunn. He'd be the best pickup ever. He's a guy that will strike out a lot, but he'll have an awesome OBP, Homers, RBI's, and stolen bases. Being a huge Dunn fan, I'd love to see this.

I just have a feeling that the Red's asking price may be too high...they would probably demand someone like Conor Jackson or Brandon Webb for that matter.....

As crazy as this sounds. We should talk about a deal with FLO/OAK, a three way, and attempt to get Burnett AND Zito. We could trade Vazquez to FLO for Burnett and prospects. Then have those prospects sent straight to OAK for Zito.

They wouldnt acquire both since their contracts expire after this season and I just dont see the Dbacks being able to accomodate both...

Then, a deal like Terrero (He'd a shame to see traded, but I don't think he'll be a stud), Hillenbrand, and prospects/players to CIN for Dunn.

Dream team for 2005:

1) Craig Counsell SS
2) Chad Tracy RF
3) Luis Gonzalez LF
4) Adam Dunn 1B
5) Troy Glaus 3B
6) Shawn Green CF
7) Alex Cintron 2B
8) Robby Hammock C

That'd be an AWESOME lineup. The thing is, I'm not sure Green wants to come here. If we could get LA to do Green, $10 million for Snyder and that SP prospect, I'd jump at it. Offer Green a 2 Year/$8.5 million dollar extension. Then let Drew Walk if we can get Dunn.

Then our rotation consiting of:
1) Barry Zito
2) Russ Ortiz
3) Brandon Webb
4) AJ Burnett
5) Try Villareal here?

If the team fails to get Green or Burnitz... here's what most likely the line-up will be like:

1) Counsell-2B
2) Clayton-SS
3) Gonzo-LF
4) Glaus-3B
5) Hillenbrand-1B
6) Tracy-3B
7) Hill/Snyder-C
8) Terrero-CF

Obviously not a menacing "heart of the order" (they'll pitch around Glaus a lot), and the reason why I have Terrero so low in the order is that they would need his speed for hit-and-runs/bunts whenever the pitcher is hitting....

Hammock won't be the catcher (he'll platoon at 1B/RF) since his hasnt recovered from his knee problems.....

Rotation...Won't "touch" that at all until the Vasquez situation is all sorted out....

 

[devilalum]

Everytime I hear Dunn's name I think of that game with the Dbacks. Randy was pitching and Dunn struck out 5 times, a feat rarer than a perfect game.

 

[BOB_Man24]

Dream team for 2005:

1) Craig Counsell SS
2) Chad Tracy RF
3) Luis Gonzalez LF
4) Adam Dunn 1B
5) Troy Glaus 3B
6) Shawn Green CF
7) Alex Cintron 2B
8) Robby Hammock C

That'd be an AWESOME lineup. The thing is, I'm not sure Green wants to come here. If we could get LA to do Green, $10 million for Snyder and that SP prospect, I'd jump at it. Offer Green a 2 Year/$8.5 million dollar extension. Then let Drew Walk if we can get Dunn.

I really dont even think this lineup is all that scary. They still look like a scrappy team. Hammock is mediocre at best. If Cintron can pull himself together and become a decent 2B then we "should" have a decent infield, but not even top 5 in the NL. Lastly, playing Green in CF scares me. I like green, but he is a LF/1B at best and being forced to play RF since Gonzo's arm is dead.

Lastly i like Dunn a lot also, but i dont see the point of aquiring both Green and him(personally would rather have Dunn long term) because we have too many OF prospects comming up down the road.

Bottom line is, at least the team is looking much more solid than we did for most of last season. Even if we dont keep Vasquez, we have somewhat bolstered our SP since even a poopy Ortiz is better than any 3rd starter we had last year.

 

[SweetD]

Dream team for 2005:

1) Craig Counsell SS
2) Chad Tracy RF
3) Luis Gonzalez LF
4) Adam Dunn 1B
5) Troy Glaus 3B
6) Shawn Green CF
7) Alex Cintron 2B
8 )Robby Hammock C
9) New Payphone for the dug-out
(Sorry no photos available)

Then our rotation consiting of:
1) Barry Zito
2) Russ Ortiz
3) Brandon Webb
4) AJ Burnett
5) Try Villareal here?

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

Dream team for 2005:

1) Craig Counsell SS
2) Chad Tracy RF
3) Luis Gonzalez LF
4) Adam Dunn 1B
5) Troy Glaus 3B
6) Shawn Green CF
7) Alex Cintron 2B
8 ) Robby Hammock C

That'd be an AWESOME lineup. The thing is, I'm not sure Green wants to come here. If we could get LA to do Green, $10 million for Snyder and that SP prospect, I'd jump at it. Offer Green a 2 Year/$8.5 million dollar extension. Then let Drew Walk if we can get Dunn.

Then our rotation consiting of:
1) Barry Zito
2) Russ Ortiz
3) Brandon Webb
4) AJ Burnett
5) Try Villareal here?

Hammock just isnt a starting catcher because of his knees/small size. The chances of acquiring Dunn, Green (especially at the kind of contract he wants), Zito, and Burnett while only giving up Vazquez off the Major League roster is slim to none. We'd have to give up some big time prospects at least, something I wouldnt want to do. Heres my shot at the roster:

SS Clayton/Counsell
CF Terrero
LF Gonzalez
3B Glaus
RF Burnitz
1B Tracy
2B Hairston (yes I know his defense is a problem)
C Hill

SP Vazquez
SP Ortiz
SP Webb
SP Still a big black hole here in the 4th slot that needs to be addressed
SP Villareal/Fossum/Gosling

Bench:
Cintron
Hammock
Kata
4th OF
Backup vet catcher (preferrably not Stinnett)

Pen:
Aquino
Valverde
Lyon
Koplove
Bruney
Choate
Randolph
- A vet bullpen guy that can eat a lot of innings would be a big help here as well -

This team isnt going to be the next big dynasty, but should be decent enough to return the franchise to respectability and give the team time to continue to grow their prospects in the farm system without too much of a sense of urgency.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Hammock just isnt a starting catcher because of his knees/small size. The chances of acquiring Dunn, Green (especially at the kind of contract he wants), Zito, and Burnett while only giving up Vazquez off the Major League roster is slim to none. We'd have to give up some big time prospects at least, something I wouldnt want to do. Heres my shot at the roster:

SS Clayton/Counsell
CF Terrero
LF Gonzalez
3B Glaus
RF Burnitz
1B Tracy
2B Hairston (yes I know his defense is a problem)
C Hill

SP Vazquez
SP Ortiz
SP Webb
SP Still a big black hole here in the 4th slot that needs to be addressed
SP Villareal/Fossum/Gosling

Bench:
Cintron
Hammock
Kata
4th OF
Backup vet catcher (preferrably not Stinnett)

Pen:
Aquino
Valverde
Lyon
Koplove
Bruney
Choate
Randolph
- A vet bullpen guy that can eat a lot of innings would be a big help here as well -

This team isnt going to be the next big dynasty, but should be decent enough to return the franchise to respectability and give the team time to continue to grow their prospects in the farm system without too much of a sense of urgency.

I like your lineup the best, and it seems the most realistic. I really like Tererro, especially at the top of the order. I just can't see Clayton and Counsell starting us off. I would prefer Counsell backing up Cintron at 2nd, and signing Hillenbrand. If we keep Vasquez and find a way to acquire Burnett or Zito, I could see us winning the NL west. Pitching is God, and with a rotation of Vasquez, Burnett, Ortiz, Webb, Gosling, I could see us being pretty good.

 

[Evil Ash]

lol I just heard gambo mention how much Green wanted from the Dbacks (yes I know he's not a very reliable source when it comes to rumors but I trust him on this somewhat) and now I'm glad we didn't get him. Green wanted to be paid the $16 million for this year (understandable its his current contract) but then he wanted to have a 4 year extension @ $11 million per year.

I like Green but there's no way in hell I do that contract.

Its going to be interesting to see what happens with Navarro now. Do we trade him for another OF or just simply try and trade him for more pitching? There's no doubt about it that he's gone its just to who and what do we get in return.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1960742

If the Green trade falls through, Arizona could rekindle talks with outfielder Jeromy Burnitz, who was scheduled to fly to Phoenix for an interview last month. The meeting was then canceled by the Diamondbacks.

Burnitz's agent, Howard Simon, said on Thursday that his client has no hard feelings about those talks falling through and would be willing to speak with the Diamondbacks again if they show interest.

Looks like getting Burnitz won't be a problem

 

[KingLouieLouie]

Its going to be interesting to see what happens with Navarro now. Do we trade him for another OF or just simply try and trade him for more pitching? There's no doubt about it that he's gone its just to who and what do we get in return.

Brad Penny is very expendable (with the Dodgers re-signing Perez and possibly adding either Loiza or Lowe), so I still see LA a possible destination for Navarro.....

 

[Evil Ash]

Brad Penny is very expendable (with the Dodgers re-signing Perez and possibly adding either Loiza or Lowe), so I still see LA a possible destination for Navarro.....

Thats what I'm hoping for. A pitcher like Penny would be nice addition to the rotation.

I'm just curious as to whether or not the Dodgers will continue talks with those FAs now that the trade for Green has died.

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

Brad Penny is very expendable (with the Dodgers re-signing Perez and possibly adding either Loiza or Lowe), so I still see LA a possible destination for Navarro.....

I really hope so as well, but it will take more than what we were giving up in the Green deal to get him.

 

[AZZenny]

Baseball America says Navarro needs one more year of minor league seasoning before anyone's going to start him. If need be, we stick him in Tucson and hold him as a trade coin when one is needed, or if he really shines, then we trade Hill or Snyder. Good young catchers are nice to have stockpiled.

Burnitz strikes out a lot and his avg away from Coors isn't good. Dunn also Ks a ton. Green wanted too much - don't begrudge the $16M he's owed this year, but FOUR years is absurd, and $11 M is a pipe dream.

Trade Vazquez to the Mets for Mike Cameron and a couple prospects.

 

[KingLouieLouie]

I really hope so as well, but it will take more than what we were giving up in the Green deal to get him.

Quite possibly...the Dbacks would only demand $4-$5 mil in cash opposed to the full amount (I believe was $8 mil) to cover Green's contract.... Also, Koplove could be included in the package to get Penny....

Ishii is another option, however, of course I would be hesitant since he has control problems and his K/9 innings reduced down by 3.... but he did improve toward the end of the season...He would be a better LH alternative to Estes (but I know that isnt saying much)....

One pitcher I wouldnt mind from the Dodgers (but dont see them trading him) is Jeff Weaver... He's always had frontline "stuff", but he didnt exhibit that in NY because he succumbed to intense media pressure/scrutiny there... If the Dodgers did find a suitor (other than the Dbacks) for Green and did acquire Lowe..Weaver could become trade-bait since Edwin Jackson and Chad Billingsley are "waiting in the wings".....

 

[WildBB]

I still have a feeling that this deal will eventually get done. Green doesn't want to be on the Dodgers, the Dodgers want to get rid of his salary (they wanted to use the money that they had relieved from Green's contract on re-signing Perez), and the Dbacks seem like the only trade partners for him.

The Dodgers will probably have to give up more $$$. Although I wonder if this opens the door for us to get someone like Penny instead (Dodgers are now $8 million over budget thanks to the trade not going through), the Dodgers might start to get desperate to get rid of salary and a starting pitcher on his way to arbitration may be the start of that

I don't see the Dodgers giving up Penny when they spent 24 Mil on Perez who isn't nearly as good.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

What a nice lil piece of crap organization this has turned out to be.

LOL. So true.

I heard that the Yankees' luxury tax is going to be higher than the Devil Rays' payroll. All of MLB is a joke, DBacks included...especially now.

 

[AZZenny]

What a nice lil piece of crap organization this has turned out to be.

Hmmm... Moorad may be paying owners not to vote him in.

JC, for his part, must be enjoying the tureen of Karma being served up.

 

[KingLouieLouie]

I don't know if Fox 10 Sports Jude LuCava (and his sources) are very credible, but he reported that there is a potential deal that might involve the Dbacks sending Vasquez to the Marlins for Juan Pierre.....

I would be ecstatic if that deal materializes since Pierre would become the lead-off hitter that they've desperately needed since the inception of their franchise, however, I just dont see the Marlins trading him (unless Eric Reed is ready to become their every day CF).....

Just imagine Pierre hitting in the lead-off spot playing CF and then the Dbacks still adding Burnitz as their RF batting 5th... Wow..... if that comes to fruition and they add a top-notch starter in some separate deal....this team could really dominate....

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

I don't know if Fox 10 Sports Jude LuCava (and his sources) are very credible, but he reported that there is a potential deal that might involve the Dbacks sending Vasquez to the Marlins for Juan Pierre.....

I would be ecstatic if that deal materializes since Pierre would become the lead-off hitter that they've desperately needed since the inception of their franchise, however, I just dont see the Marlins trading him (unless Eric Reed is ready to become their every day CF).....

Just imagine Pierre hitting in the lead-off spot playing CF and then the Dbacks still adding Burnitz as their RF batting 5th... Wow..... if that comes to fruition and they add a top-notch starter in some separate deal....this team could really dominate....

Vazquez for Pierre? Gross.

 

[Ryanwb]

Vazquez for Pierre? Gross.

I agree.... You don't ever trade pitching for a hitter