Gut Check time for the Suns...

[Covert Rain]

No I my name is not Steve Kerr, or an agent for the Warriors, thanks for asking though...

Clearly YOU are not living in the Real World man... It's nice to dream and believe we should get LeBron straight up for Amare, but in reality, there isn't a huge market for him at this moment...

Is this because he isn't talented? ofcourse not, but concerns over health, contract and attitude are all red flags for teams and decrease his trade value...

That is why I made it clear in the orginal post for this thread, that this was reality, not what you as a Suns Fanatic think...

In Reality do you believe there is a better alternative that is realistic for the suns, and if so.. please explain...

How do you know either? It's not like there is a deadline to trade Amare. For that matter, if a team is one player away from doing some damage come next season (at the trading deadline), I am confident there would be better trades to be had because alot can happen between now and next years trade deadline. It's stupid to include Amare in some panic trade that is going to give you Golden State's crap without sending someone valuable back in return.

Your being a bit ridiculous. Nobody is saying Amare for LJ. However, trading Amare for crap isn't the answer either.

 

[AsUdUdE]

How do you know either? It's not like there is a deadline to trade Amare. For that matter, if a team is one player away from doing some damage come next season (at the trading deadline), I am confident there would be better trades to be had because alot can happen between now and next years trade deadline. It's stupid to include Amare in some panic trade that is going to give you Golden State's crap without sending someone valuable back in return.

Your being a bit ridiculous. Nobody is saying Amare for LJ. However, trading Amare for crap isn't the answer either.

Please don't do that... I was asking opinions, please don't attack me, I was just curious to see what others felt about the situation...

I do agree with you that we don't need to make a knee-jerk reaction move... but in your opinion, you believe that we will get a better deal at the Trade Deadline than the GS deal...

However, you need to keep in mind that Stoudemire's contract is coming up, and that is a pretty big road bloack to a lot of deals...

Normally deadline deals for superstars aren't seen as great trades, its a HUGE risk, and saying we will get a young center that is 12/12, a 21 year old PF prospect that was a top 10 pick just 2 years ago, a sharp shooter, and a nice role player that some believe will breakout with the suns for STAT at the Trade deadline, I just don't see it...

Do you have an example of what you are thinking about?

 

[Covert Rain]

Please don't do that... I was asking opinions, please don't attack me, I was just curious to see what others felt about the situation...

I do agree with you that we don't need to make a knee-jerk reaction move... but in your opinion, you believe that we will get a better deal at the Trade Deadline than the GS deal...

However, you need to keep in mind that Stoudemire's contract is coming up, and that is a pretty big road bloack to a lot of deals...

Normally deadline deals for superstars aren't seen as great trades, its a HUGE risk, and saying we will get a young center that is 12/12, a 21 year old PF prospect that was a top 10 pick just 2 years ago, a sharp shooter, and a nice role player that some believe will breakout with the suns for STAT at the Trade deadline, I just don't see it...

Do you have an example of what you are thinking about?

How was I attacking you? You mentioned that LB for Amare trade and I was saying that is ridiculous. Hardly attacking you.

Also, Amare not having a longer term contract is not that big of a road block. Any team that trades for Amare now or at the trading deadline will want Amare to sign a long term deal. Also, a sign and trade is not out of the question either.

In terms of an example, until the season plays out, how would I do that? If a team at the trading deadline feels like they are one player away, they will pick up the phone for any player they feel is available.

 

[AsUdUdE]

How was I attacking you? You mentioned that LB for Amare trade and I was saying that is ridiculous. Hardly attacking you.

Also, Amare not having a longer term contract is not that big of a road block. Any team that trades for Amare now or at the trading deadline will want Amare to sign a long term deal. Also, a sign and trade is not out of the question either.

In terms of an example, until the season plays out, how would I do that? If a team at the trading deadline feels like they are one player away, they will pick up the phone for any player they feel is available.

This is my point exactly.. If there is a team that feels they are one player away, how and why are they going to give up a package worthy of Amare??

Amare is a franchise player for the right team, and that right team at the trade deadline, would have to give up a pretty penny to get Amare... Teams that are on the verge of taking the next step tend not to overpay or pay market value even for an All-Star player...

Teams that are not going anywhere proabably won't trade for Amare either... so at the Trade deadline, I think you are fgoing to be hard pressed to find a team willing to give up as much as the Warriors for Amare...

And as to your point that Amare's contract isn't a factor...I disagree because Amare will not sign an extentionj with a team just because they suns are trading him there... and if Amare doesn't agree to an extention most of the time the deal is off.. that is a pretty big hurdle, and exclude atleast 1/3 of the league right off the bat...

and finally I ask you this...When is the last time a superstar got traded at the Trade deadline and that team got atleast market vaule in return?

 

[AsUdUdE]

Alright I'll bite.. just curious to see everyone's thoughts.. If we make the GOOD trade with the warriors, IE the one that gives us Curry...

We would have a GLUT of SG's... NO Curry NO deal as been said many times before... BUT, what if we also included Barbs? So the Deal would be:

STAT
Barbs
Tucker

For

Biedrins
Curry
Wright
Azubuke
Belenelli

The trade works financially, and though it SUCKS to give up Barbs, between JRich, Curry, Belenelli, and Azubuke I think we will have the SG spot pretty set, and for the Warriors who don't look like they are giving up Curry, this, IMO should help the deal over the top... Our ROtation/Line up would be:

PG: Nash/Curry/Dragic
SG: JRich/Curry/Bellenli/A
SF: Azubuke/Clark
PF: Wright/Ameduson
C: Biedrins/Lopez

Personally IMO, I would do this deal, if that is what it takes to get it done!

 

[Covert Rain]

This is my point exactly.. If there is a team that feels they are one player away, how and why are they going to give up a package worthy of Amare??

Amare is a franchise player for the right team, and that right team at the trade deadline, would have to give up a pretty penny to get Amare... Teams that are on the verge of taking the next step tend not to overpay or pay market value even for an All-Star player...

Teams that are not going anywhere proabably won't trade for Amare either... so at the Trade deadline, I think you are fgoing to be hard pressed to find a team willing to give up as much as the Warriors for Amare...

And as to your point that Amare's contract isn't a factor...I disagree because Amare will not sign an extentionj with a team just because they suns are trading him there... and if Amare doesn't agree to an extention most of the time the deal is off.. that is a pretty big hurdle, and exclude atleast 1/3 of the league right off the bat...

and finally I ask you this...When is the last time a superstar got traded at the Trade deadline and that team got atleast market vaule in return?

Your making a ton of assumptions before the season even starts. You don't know anymore then I do what will be possible and what teams will be willing to do come the trade deadline. A ton of teams wanted Amare at the trading deadline this year but the word in the NBA is Sarver wanted to cut salary. So, he was getting crap offers. Look how many teams made desperation trades. There is always a team out there willing to make a desperation trade. Look no further then the Suns getting Shaq.

Also, the fact that Amare appears (according to rumors), to be willing to sign an extension with Golden State should tell you how low his standards are. Amare doesn't seem to have a preference for anything other then the max contract extension. Does that limit teams? Ofcourse it does but that doesn't mean the crappy GS deal is the best one you can get. Sometimes waiting is the better option.

Taking the GS deal (without Curry or Randolph) would be the equivalent of taking the first offer from a new car dealer who tells you it's the best deal your going to get.

 

[TucsonDevil]

Clearly YOU are not living in the Real World man... It's nice to dream and believe we should get LeBron straight up for Amare, but in reality, there isn't a huge market for him at this moment...

I don't recall suggesting the Suns could pull King James for Amare.

Just because I disagreed with you, there is no need to place me in such a fringe position in order to strengthen your argument. There is a market for Amare, the Suns just need to be patient and find the best return. Panic and despair are poor mindsets when in negotiation.

 

[Skumbag]

I'd rather lose JRich than Barbs.

Barbs should be untouchable by how cheap his contract is alone. Sarver wants to save money.

No Curry, No trade.

I could care less about Wright & Bellenelli

 

[shazaam6]

Trade Amare and Barbosa for Lebron, is that what you meant?