Haason Reddick

[RugbyMuffin]

Thanks Rugby. That's sounds dangerous because so much can change so fast. It would seem smarter to just maintain your gaps, even for LBs. FWIW last week Wilks did mention that LBs need to do a better job with gaps. I'm guessing he was mainly talking about Reddick because I've seen him do this type of thing more than once this year.

Well, what you say is dangerous is why it is frustrating to see a DE put in at LB in the NFL.

A player who has played LB all his athletic life has now been reading keys for at least 8 years or so, at minimum. The reaction to the player being keyed on is improved as you get experience doing this. Reddick is just now starting to learn this, and thus the frustration of watching him learn on the fly.

Personally, I think Gerald Hodges is going to give Reddick a run for playing time and for being a starter.

You want to see an experienced player, who reads his keys and reaction in a blink of an eye ? Watch Patrick Peterson's pick six. He saw the receiver first 1/2 move, and drove on the ball to where he had to slow down in order to time himself to catch the ball in stride. It is not supposed to look that easy, but the mix of experience and athleticism Peterson has right now is special.

Reddick has the athleticism, but not the experience, and there is no given he will learn what he needs to.

It is concerning for such a high draft pick.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Huh?

Huh?

I'm referencing the game not the above clip.

 

[kerouac9]

Did he play with the starters or did they just have 2 LBs out there for most of that time? I only saw Buc and Bynes.

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As others have said, I think that there were only 2 LBs on the field much of the time. Couldn't find Reddick in the first half.

People tend to undersell how tough it is to transition from being a DE to an off-ball LB. I don't know if Reddick can do it, but that is why he was a bad pick. It is never a great idea to spend a premium asset on someone who has never done what you want him to do.

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But it's not like he's been an off-ball DE his entire sporting career. He was a DB in high school and his early time in college. It's still different, but he's had a much rougher transition than Deone Bucannon.

The other thing is that very quietly there has been a lot of talk about how Reddick asked the same questions over and over again and has to be re-taught. The interview on the Cards Underground podcast with the LB coach brought it up a few times.

Southpaw, I'm going to rebut your statement with a flat out declaration of "if you can play, you can play". The school in my estimation is secondary. Yeah, we all like to see names from the power schools come up, but time and time again, this league has proven that if you have the ability and are naturally gifted, the school is irrelevant. I recall wondering if a LB from New Mexico State was actually as good as advertised years ago, now Brian Urlacher is in the hall of fame. Bobby Wagner from good ol Utah State is pretty damn good, would you not agree? Carson Wentz from that power house North Dakota State is seemingly doing pretty good himself as well. I know Reddick was no Urlacher in college, but again, my point is the school has become less important in my eyes.

Yes, but those guys tend to be huge stars as soon as they arrive on campus. They're not walk-ons who almost don't make the team their junior seasons.

 

[CFLredzoned]

I'm referencing the game not the above clip.

Yeah I did ask that didn't I?

 

[Southpaw]

Southpaw, I'm going to rebut your statement with a flat out declaration of "if you can play, you can play". The school in my estimation is secondary. Yeah, we all like to see names from the power schools come up, but time and time again, this league has proven that if you have the ability and are naturally gifted, the school is irrelevant. I recall wondering if a LB from New Mexico State was actually as good as advertised years ago, now Brian Urlacher is in the hall of fame. Bobby Wagner from good ol Utah State is pretty damn good, would you not agree? Carson Wentz from that power house North Dakota State is seemingly doing pretty good himself as well. I know Reddick was no Urlacher in college, but again, my point is the school has become less important in my eyes.

Okay, but he hasn't shown "he can play". He got hyped up from a Senior Bowl performance . Keim ( and his scouts) can't evaluate talent any better than his predecessor. Rod Graves.

 

[dylanbw]

Okay, but he hasn't shown "he can play". He got hyped up from a Senior Bowl performance . Keim ( and his scouts) can't evaluate talent any better than his predecessor. Rod Graves.

Um, now THAT's a low blow to Keim. Literally no one could ever be worse than Rod Graves.

 

[phillycard]

Okay, but he hasn't shown "he can play". He got hyped up from a Senior Bowl performance . Keim ( and his scouts) can't evaluate talent any better than his predecessor. Rod Graves.

Oh, I'm not necessarily denouncing the assessment that Reddick may be ill suited for a big role in this D, I was just talking about the damnation of Temple as his school. TU has sent some good players to the league. That was my only point. ;-)

 

[Southpaw]

Oh, I'm not necessarily denouncing the assessment that Reddick may be ill suited for a big role in this D, I was just talking about the damnation of Temple as his school. TU has sent some good players to the league. That was my only point. ;-)

Name 3 or any other 1st rounder in the last 20 years. Those are guys who go 4th round down.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Temple_Owls_in_the_NFL_Draft
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Temple_Owls_in_the_NFL_Draft

 

[BigRedRage]

so, he played about the same snaps as all the other ILBs out there so the "playing him late to send a message" rings hollow:

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LB snaps Reddick 39 (56%) Hodges 39, Bucannon 31, Bynes 31.

That's our entire ILB core too I think

 

[Garthshort]

From what I've read, ONLY Bynes is a MLB. He's backed up by Wright and Moore. The other three are SLB and WLB's.

 

[oaken1]

Well, what you say is dangerous is why it is frustrating to see a DE put in at LB in the NFL.

A player who has played LB all his athletic life has now been reading keys for at least 8 years or so, at minimum. The reaction to the player being keyed on is improved as you get experience doing this. Reddick is just now starting to learn this, and thus the frustration of watching him learn on the fly.

Personally, I think Gerald Hodges is going to give Reddick a run for playing time and for being a starter.

You want to see an experienced player, who reads his keys and reaction in a blink of an eye ? Watch Patrick Peterson's pick six. He saw the receiver first 1/2 move, and drove on the ball to where he had to slow down in order to time himself to catch the ball in stride. It is not supposed to look that easy, but the mix of experience and athleticism Peterson has right now is special.

Reddick has the athleticism, but not the experience, and there is no given he will learn what he needs to.

It is concerning for such a high draft pick.

I like Haasan... but a LB'er needs to be able to rely on his instincts...its the same issue with Deone....

I feel for Reddick though...we take a DE,...move him to ILB, then a few games into his rookie season we move him to OLB...then in his second season we move him to MLB

they need to put that kid somewhere and leave him there long enough to learn the position or he will never develop instincts... when a backer is learning a new position he has to think too much and it just aint a thinking position...that one second it takes him to decide what he needs to do allows a RB to get to the second level

with Golden out I would be setting him up at weakside DE in obvious passing situations so the kid can use his speed to get in the back field

 

[kerouac9]

so, he played about the same snaps as all the other ILBs out there so the "playing him late to send a message" rings hollow:

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LB snaps Reddick 39 (56%) Hodges 39, Bucannon 31, Bynes 31.

That's our entire ILB core too I think

Watch the game again. We weren't playing a lot of three-LB sets. Which means that Hodges and Reddick were the guys playing late in the game.

 

[BigRedRage]

Watch the game again. We weren't playing a lot of three-LB sets. Which means that Hodges and Reddick were the guys playing late in the game.

Yes. Because they are backups to bucannon and bynes. We played nickel the whole game from what I read

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[kerouac9]

Yes. Because they are backups to bucannon and bynes. We played nickel the whole game from what I read

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Cool that our top 15 pick is sitting on the bench behind a guy who was on the open market until August 5 last year.

 

[phillycard]

Name 3 or any other 1st rounder in the last 20 years. Those are guys who go 4th round down.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Temple_Owls_in_the_NFL_Draft

This is not a treatise on the value of Temple football players nor am I saying that there is a plethora of first rounders from the school. They have produced good players. Muhammed Wilkerson was a first round pick, Robby Anderson is a good WR. I know TU's not Bama, but my overall point is the school isn't a guaranteeor of success.

 

[JeffGollin]

Haason needs all the reps he can get to familiarize himself with the position. I believe he’s a slow learner, so experience is key. Disappointing, yes! But not the doom and gloom being portrayed here. He’s playing fairly well IMO.

We won the game. We didn't give up a TD (& came close to pitching a shutout). Sack, Pick and Fumble Recovery numbers were unnreal.

I realize this was only a preseason game, but it was far from being a disaster defensively.

 

[football karma]

Reddick being in the game in the 4th quarter says something, and it isn't a positive

I do like the adjective Keim-iest, because Reddick hits all of Keim's hot buttons:

a below the radar guy
super high athleticism
engaging personality / character
a projection
good Senior bowl showing


the thing I don't get: he gets drafted because he could rush the passer. That sure is a hot commodity in the NFL, and for the Cards with Golden out, something they could use.

Could he not sub in at D-end in obvious passing downs?

 

[Hoodhero]

Wilks is doing what BA should of done & that is to give the kid as much reps as possible on field to learn. That sitting a high draft pick after a few snaps like a starter dont help anybody. Even Colinsworth brought it up at end of game. Not sure why ppl keep speculating different.

 

[kerouac9]

Reddick being in the game in the 4th quarter says something, and it isn't a positive

I do like the adjective Keim-iest, because Reddick hits all of Keim's hot buttons:

a below the radar guy
super high athleticism
engaging personality / character
a projection
good Senior bowl showing


the thing I don't get: he gets drafted because he could rush the passer. That sure is a hot commodity in the NFL, and for the Cards with Golden out, something they could use.

Could he not sub in at D-end in obvious passing downs?

All this. But after watching him try to rush the passer last season from OLB, why would you think he could do it from DE?

 

[ARZCardinals]

Plays the entire 3rd preseason game, and dare I say is competing with Gerald Hodges for a starting spot at linebacker.

Not good.

So much talent available in that draft and at that position, and the Cardinals did the Keim-iest thing and took a tweener with no position.

We have three linebackers slated to start for this team, and one is an ex-safety, and one is an ex-defensive end.

Ugh.

Usually when a player plays the entire preseason game its a PUNISHMENT by the coaches for something extremely dumb during the week. Don't be shocked if a suspension by the league is forthcoming.
Every time I've seen or heard a team putting a player out there for a full preseason game they either messed up within the team or messed up out in the real world...either way it's not ever a sign of good for the player/team or fans.

 

[Snakester]

Not worried about Reddick. He is improving and with his athleticism he will make an impact this year. I am happy that we picked up Hodges. We at least have four linebackers that can play now.

I am most worried about Nkemdiche staying healthy and making an impact.

 

[wa52lz]

But he didn't play the whole game. They played nickel most of the game so Buc and Bynes started, he was a backup so he played in the 2nd half.

Usually when a player plays the entire preseason game its a PUNISHMENT by the coaches for something extremely dumb during the week. Don't be shocked if a suspension by the league is forthcoming.
Every time I've seen or heard a team putting a player out there for a full preseason game they either messed up within the team or messed up out in the real world...either way it's not ever a sign of good for the player/team or fans.

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[MadCardDisease]

Usually when a player plays the entire preseason game its a PUNISHMENT by the coaches for something extremely dumb during the week. Don't be shocked if a suspension by the league is forthcoming.
Every time I've seen or heard a team putting a player out there for a full preseason game they either messed up within the team or messed up out in the real world...either way it's not ever a sign of good for the player/team or fans.

You need to read the entire thread. Reddick was only out there for the second half and played in about 50% of the defensive snaps.