Haley vs Whis

[conraddobler]

I'm sure they're different in styles of play calling but we have mostly all the same plays in the book.

The team knows all the plays, I'm sure Whis did what he felt was best given the circumstance but for all those loving on Haley remember this.

He was the OC when we got killed in Philly and NE all over the East Coast.

He was the OC vs the Jets too.

We just showed up and laid an egg, we were hurt, things were goofed and the other team wanted it more IMO.

This season is going to be strange IMO, we're hung over from a brutal SB loss, that's just a fact, we have big heads, we have team dissent in terms of contracts, we have a lot to deal with, most of the same things that other teams deal with losing the SB.

Long term though there are great signs, we'll just have to fight through this and get a new team identity, Haley is gone and Warner is getting older, we need more balance going forward anyhow, this year we can just see what happens but we're going to have to rebuild a team ID and that's going to stink during the season, next year I think we have a legit shot if we build it this year to win it all.

 

[Shane]

Haley being gone is just people reaching for an excuse. Nothing more or less.

 

[conraddobler]

Haley being gone is just people reaching for an excuse. Nothing more or less.

Yep.

 

[Rats]

Not loving on Haley but would like to see a different OC. We have an uptemp offense and unless we are scrapping this season for a retooling job we have to run the plays that make us successful. We have to throw the ball. We do not have the line personel to run smashmouth. It will be a long season if that is what we do. After a Super Bowl season and alot of good feelings if we change now to a conservative offense we will suffer the consquence of a losing season and one more season of the Triumphverat of Warner, Fitz, and Boldin getting older. I would rather see if we can find the quick passing game and leave the new conservative game for when Matt gets under center. We still have a shot at this season being a successful one but not with conservative play calling and crap penalties.

 

[DeAnna]

I thought so too, but now ....

Just seems like with Haley they were more of an attacking offense (which plays more to Kurt's strength).

Whis is more conservative "take what they give us" play-caller, which seems to freeze Kurt at certain points. He seems unsure sometimes.

Oh, and dropped balls (at least 3 by Fitz) doesn't help!

 

[Shane]

I thought so too, but now ....

Just seems like with Haley they were more of an attacking offense (which plays more to Kurt's strength).

Whis is more conservative "take what they give us" play-caller, which seems to freeze Kurt at certain points. He seems unsure sometimes.

Oh, and dropped balls (at least 3 by Fitz) doesn't help!

You saw games just like that one when Haley was here in fact WAY worse. The 1st game last year wasnt much better and we had 3 healthy WR's. Haley being gone is just an excuse.

 

[LVG]

I always felt, after the SB Loss, that Whiz has the golden opportunity to remake the team in his image. That Whiz could essentially go to the front office and say "I got you here, but if you want to win it, we have to do it this way, and it will take a season or three to get there.

This season - well, we've retooled the offense a bit, but not by very much. Tweaking yes, wholesale changes - no, so we have to play as we did last year, or at least close to it.

One thing is for certain - HC and OC is too much for one person to handle, Whiz has to delegate and make someone the head OC, and move forward that way, if we want to do something this season.

 

[Shane]

One thing is for certain

I dont believe it is sooo certain.

 

[LVG]

I dont believe it is sooo certain.

You believe that Whiz can handle the OC and HC duties, giving both the time, effort, and attention they require? That the team wouldn't be better served by having Whiz be the HC, and determining who the OC is?

 

[conraddobler]

It seems like there is some impliation that Whis is being the OC to be some control freak or ego maniac or something, I think he's just being practical, he's capable, he's not going anywhere and it's his vision of the team he wants.

He could of hired an OC if he wanted I'm sure, he felt it was best not to, for his own reasons and so far most of what he's done has worked out.

He knows what we need to become, we have to be more balanced to legitimately have a shot to win it all, he's in control of that and we will get there IMO.

This year is just going to be tough, lots of transitions going on but we will be better for it IMO.

 

[DeAnna]

I though Haley only took over the playing mid-season?

 

[Doug]

You believe that Whiz can handle the OC and HC duties, giving both the time, effort, and attention they require? That the team wouldn't be better served by having Whiz be the HC, and determining who the OC is?

My wife of a very long time even knew what we were gonna do before we even did it every play.It was so sad.Something has to be done.We lost our hight octane.

One thing I do know for myself is that we did'nt stretch the field at ALL.Long should'nt be on the field.I was even wondering why they wasted a man to cover him.Breaston means more to this offense than I think we ever thought he did.Boldin at 80 or 90% is not enough for a good cb to just cover up.

The crossing patterns were our bread and butter and the quick slants I saw none of yesterday except the dropped ones.We are not as deep at WR as we once thought we were.J.Urban is not the answer either.Love his effort but he did'nt look as fast yesterday as last year either.

We need to work with Wells all week to get him more up to speed.Once he knows which way to go and take the handoff we might see a couple 20 yard runs.That would open up the passing offense and give us the dreaded (PLAY ACTION)that we need so bad to make this puppy run.

I wanna say something very positive about what our front seven did and what HAYES did yesterday was unbelievable.Even the maligned Branch started to get a real taste of the NFL yesterday.I LOVED IT.That at least made watching bearable.WE SHUT DOWN a very good rb yesterday.ATE thier lunch.Just could'nt cover whenever we blitzed one extra guy and no pressure got to the qb in time.We still have some young folk getting thier feet wet but loved how Calias Campbell came out of the gate most of the time.Hope Iwebema's ankle is okay.We're gonna need him too.

We're gonna need the same game to stop Jones Drew next week.He got almost 100 yards on a pretty good colts D at the colts home.They know each other as well as we do the 9ers.So I hope we can cover someone next week.We face a qb who can run with power next week ,and will.Holt is there best reciever.We just let a VERY OLD Issac Bruce go for a 50 yarder on us.We can't allow Holt to do the same.

We need to win one more game on the road than we thought we could now.Stop the bleeding.

 

[Big Deal]

I agree with Shane. I also think the biggest difference between Hailey and Whis is that Hailey would trust Kurt at the line to call his own play between a couple. I am wondering if Whis might not be that lenient. Food for thought.

 

[conraddobler]

I agree with Shane. I also think the biggest difference between Hailey and Whis is that Hailey would trust Kurt at the line to call his own play between a couple. I am wondering if Whis might not be that lenient. Food for thought.

It's possible.

It's on the veteran Kurt to adjust to Whis, not the other way around IMO, Kurt should be able to execute Whis's game plan and plays, he knows them and it shouldn't be an issue if it is.

 

[Big D]

I don't like the wasted time outs and delay of game penalties that have seemed to go hand in hand with Whis calling the plays. It was a major problem in Whis' first year and it was a little bit of a bugaboo yesterday. It seemed like once Whis did turn over the play calling duties to Haley we didn't really see those things happening nearly as much.

 

[dogpoo32]

It's possible.

It's on the veteran Kurt to adjust to Whis, not the other way around IMO, Kurt should be able to execute Whis's game plan and plays, he knows them and it shouldn't be an issue if it is.

A younger, healthier, hungrier QB could execute it. I wonder where we could find one of those...

 

[Shane]

I don't like the wasted time outs and delay of game penalties that have seemed to go hand in hand with Whis calling the plays. It was a major problem in Whis' first year and it was a little bit of a bugaboo yesterday. It seemed like once Whis did turn over the play calling duties to Haley we didn't really see those things happening nearly as much.

All of that happened with Haley. You guys have short memories. Those are on Warner hes the only constant IMO.

 

[Big D]

All of that happened with Haley. You guys have short memories. Those are on Warner hes the only constant IMO.

As often? Didn't seem that way to me.

 

[Shane]

As often? Didn't seem that way to me.

Pretty darned often.

 

[SuperSpck]

I'm gonna play broken record.

HC's shouldn't call plays. Too much big picture stuff to worry about.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I agree with Shane.People are trying to give Haley way too much credit.

 

[Doug]

I'd really like to see a breakdown of our long list of penalties and who made them and during what down and distance on offense or defense they occured.

This would say a whole lot about why we did'nt have any consistancy yesterday.Its tough when you keep shooting yourself in the foot and you never really got it going to begin with in the pre-season.

GOD help me with this next comment.But does anyone think they saw Larry just a lil' bit slower than ususal? ANYONE? I understand his pushing off because he could'nt get any seperation yesterday.

What did the guy asking the question mean when during Warner's post game interview,he said something about did Warner know that Hightower was hurting while throwing the ball to him that much? I have'nt heard a word on it yet.Has anyone else?

Do we not have confidence in Wells picking up the blitzer yet?Saw some major hits with Hightower picking up the blitzer up the middle.Dude was throwing his body into it.

Very disappointed in Reggie Wells our best offensive lineman when it was down to the very last of the game and he let his man by him like a turnstile.Reggie had such a good to great pre-season.

I'm all for changing qb's if we have one more game like yesterday.I don't think Whiz will think about anything but winning.Anyway it can come.I hope Matt lights it up.He really put in an awesome lot of conditioning this offseason with MMA and other weight training. Although I did like Warners break away roll out to the right to buy time and finding Fitz in the endzone.Reminded me of that same kinda play with the Dolphins last season when Warner posted a perfect game.

I was'nt at the game so I wonder from those of you who were there,Was the crowd calling for Leinart already very loud? I had the sound up loud to see if I could hear it.

We have too much talent on this team to not win this divison at least.I thought Rashad Johnson did well on special teams and so did Highsmith as ususal.I also thought Johnson did okay in his first game as a rookie covering for Matt Ware.Ware had one great pre-season game in the second game.Still lacks in coverage tho.Will we ever find out who left Frank Gore so uncovered and wide open for that easy touchdown in the fourth quarter.I was'nt at the game and could'nt see who missed that coverage by a mile.How can that happen with our depth of talent?

Did anyone expect Cutler to throw 4 interceptions last night?He also needs some wide recievers to get on the page with him too.He at least has more than ONE speedy wide reciever to get some seperation and his offensive line was giving him more time than our's was to Warner.I would hate to see Levi Brown covering the backside of Matt Leinart.Thats just asking for the future of the team to be killed.I think we ruined the panthers qb for life.Plus they gave him an awesome big contact in the offseason after he threw all of those interceptions against us in the playoffs and yesterday he did it all over again at home I think.Glad we don't play the Eagles during the regular season this year.They may have to go without McNabb with a broken rib for a game or two tho.

ONE good thing I can say is we will have a crew of refs next week that will at least have had one NFL game under thier belt.Unlike the crew we had yesterday.What a joke.Its tough to run on Jacksonville but you have to be able to mix it up or they will eat you up.Maybe its time for Herman the House to get some playing time for Latui.Or Keith for Brown.Glad Elton (big gut,outta shape) is gone.Its gonna be hot and HUMID and maybe WET in Jacksonville.Been raining for 3 days now in the panhandle of Florida.

 

[Big D]

Pretty darned often.

Ok, like I said it definitely didn't seem that way to me. What I do know for certain is our scoring and yardage was better with Haley calling the plays than it has been with Whis doing so.

As bad and out of sync as the offense has looked through the preseason and in the 1st regular season game Whis has to shoulder a good part of the blame. He is the HC. he decides who plays and he is the one calling the plays, so as far as I'm concerned he is at the very root of our struggles.

 

[conraddobler]

I'm gonna play broken record.

HC's shouldn't call plays. Too much big picture stuff to worry about.

Andy Reid has done it for years, so you're saying if he didn't that maybe they'd get over the hump?

I kinda think it's not that big of an issue, in a perfect world I'd agree but it's more important someone competent does it than just making sure that's not the HC IMO.

Sometimes there just isn't anyone better for the job, if we had gotten a new OC then the mantra would of been he's just off or just new or there was not rapport yet.

To me it's just an excuse.

 

[conraddobler]

Ok, like I said it definitely didn't seem that way to me. What I do know for certain is our scoring and yardage was better with Haley calling the plays than it has been with Whis doing so.

As bad and out of sync as the offense has looked through the preseason and in the 1st regular season game Whis has to shoulder a good part of the blame. He is the HC. he decides who plays and he is the one calling the plays, so as far as I'm concerned he is at the very root of our struggles.

We won one more regular season game with Haley calling the plays than Whis.

I'm gonna say it's just a case of people seeing what they want to see on this, I don't doubt it's different but what kind of game would Haley call with two of the top three WR's not 100%?

That's a better question IMO.

There is only so much you can do.