Harry Greene's 2008 Mock draft for ASFN

[Skkorpion]

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/2008/04/mock-me-if-you-will/#more-420

 

[lobo]

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/2008/04/mock-me-if-you-will/#more-420

There is really no pressing reason to comment on Harry's draft guess. His approach is particuarly sensible. He MAY have nailed it the way I see it. I don't believe Rivers will last to 16, but I do believe DRC will be there and as Harry mentioned he could be our guy...and Smith at 2 is also a very sensible choice. Interestingly they both are BPA and are important needs. Rivers not as much a need compared to our other needs but as he mentioned he just might be too good to pass up. IF he is there and Flowers is there at 2, I see the CB taken in round 2 and a RB in round 3 from the second tier (Forte/Charles type). Team will not draft a K or P...that would be a waste as a team can pick up as many as they care to look at through F/A or undrafted F/A.

I will not wake up at 3am (joke) if we go Rivers at 1, but I would feel better with one of the better top five CB's taken.

 

[corrado]

Mock Draft

His mock is seriously flawed in the fact that there is NO way on God's green earth that Conner from Penn. St. is not among the 1st 50 picks.

 

[WildBB]

His mock is seriously flawed in the fact that there is NO way on God's green earth that Conner from Penn. St. is not among the 1st 50 picks.

Yeah , there are a number of things. But Harry's take is different and that's what makes him interesting. He has his own evaluations.

Hey Harry , what about Blake the DT from TCU? Where does he go? I thought you were high on him. 3rd rounder?

Why do you have Bennett ahead of Dustin Kelller?

Everything I've read, says that the Bears take Matt Forte in the 2nd. Not Ray Rice.

Calias Campbell definately is not projecting as an OLB at 290.

 

[Pariah]

Nice play on "Troy" and the trojan horse.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

I like his picks for Buffalo.

 

[Skkorpion]

His mock is seriously flawed in the fact that there is NO way on God's green earth that Conner from Penn. St. is not among the 1st 50 picks.

Cha cha cha. Such certainty! Are you by chance a Penn State fan and/or alumnus?

 

[lobo]

His mock is seriously flawed in the fact that there is NO way on God's green earth that Conner from Penn. St. is not among the 1st 50 picks.

Anyones mock draft is obviously opinion. If you through one up there it would be equally as controversial so look in the mirror before you throw around the the "no ways" eh???

I looked at it and I felt it was very reasonable, does that make me "smarter" than you.....I don't think so. All it is...just fun to look at...if you agree or disagree don't mean too much!!

 

[Billy Flynt]

I'm not opposed to Kevin Smith in Round 2 - but not unless we fix CB in round 1

 

[Stout]

Cha cha cha. Such certainty! Are you by chance a Penn State fan and/or alumnus?

Ah, the lion. I once met a young lady there...but I digress

If teams are stupid enough to let Connor fall to our 2nd pick, we'd better not trip as we sprint to the podium to take him. I don't want him at 16, but he'd be a steal in the 2nd.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

My main question is when did Vernon Gholston come up with durability issues? They certainly weren't there while at Ohio State. I don't knock on other people's mock attempts because they are just an opinion and no one really knows who is going where, but i certainly hope this isn't the way the draft goes for the Cards. I don't mind Keith Rivers but pick #50 seems way to early for Kevin Smith. Rachal,Hills,Thomas,Lee,and Branch , the other guys listed for possible 2nd rounders , are all more rated in the later rounds as well. I don't think any of them have a 2nd round projection.I can't see this being the case for the Cards but you never know. I also haven't seen Early Doucet in the 1st round in any mocks so that would be a stunner.

 

[corrado]

No

I am not a Penn St. fan nor alumni but I study the draft and there is no way that Conner is not going to go in the top 50. I thought honest opinions were welcomed on this site.

 

[az jam]

I would be very happy with either Rivers or DRC in the first and RB Smith in the second. Good job Harry. Mock drafts are not that easy and subject to lots of second guessing by all.

 

[Skkorpion]

I am not a Penn St. fan nor alumni but I study the draft and there is no way that Conner is not going to go in the top 50. I thought honest opinions were welcomed on this site.

Easy guy, lighten up. I was simply poking fun again at such definitive statements as yours when history shows every year some highly ranked players fall way down.

I'll take an uneducated stab at this one about Dan Conner. If he goes in round 1, I'll be mildly surprised. Beyond that, I have no idea.

In response to stout, drafting any MLB at 50 would disappoint me. Drafting any MLB at all this year would surprise me a lot.

 

[Skkorpion]

My main question is when did Vernon Gholston come up with durability issues? They certainly weren't there while at Ohio State.

Probably some quack expert. Fans who see all their teams games have better informed opinions than the quacks.

I read criticisms about Trevor Laws on Jeff Gollin's site that had me wondering if the war room guys saw any games he played.

Then I read reviews of Notre Dame center John Sullivan being ranked the #1 C in the draft. Huh? The guy is a quarterback killer, in my opinion. Has always blown line calls, messed up snaps and shown zero ability to run block. His shotgun snaps are adventures. I hope the Cowboys draft him.

Bring on the draft. I'm ready.

 

[cardsfanmd]

In response to stout, drafting any MLB at 50 would disappoint me. Drafting any MLB at all this year would surprise me a lot.

Do you really think we will resign Dansby?

Before anyone asks, no I am not trying to be rude I am just really on the fence about the guy. Personally, I think one of RG's best moves thus far has been holding off on extending him. When the guy wants to play he is a top LB, but I really question his ethic and motives.

I read criticisms about Trevor Laws on Jeff Gollin's site that had me wondering if the war room guys saw any games he played.

What are your thoughts on Law. I have seen him play 8-10Xs and I am really high on him, apparently much higher than most others. I dont like him at 16, but if we were to trade down into the end of the 1st or beginning of the second, I would love to have this guy. If he were to fall to within 5 picks of #50, I would trade a 5th this year or a 4th next year to move up.

 

[Stout]

I would be very happy with either Rivers or DRC in the first and RB Smith in the second. Good job Harry. Mock drafts are not that easy and subject to lots of second guessing by all.

I will not be happy with Rivers because, IMO, that will mean Dansby is gone next year. I do NOT want to waste first rounders on what will AT BEST be a lateral move.

 

[Stout]

Easy guy, lighten up. I was simply poking fun again at such definitive statements as yours when history shows every year some highly ranked players fall way down.

I'll take an uneducated stab at this one about Dan Conner. If he goes in round 1, I'll be mildly surprised. Beyond that, I have no idea.

In response to stout, drafting any MLB at 50 would disappoint me. Drafting any MLB at all this year would surprise me a lot.

Yeah, but what if you could draft a Patrick Willis at 50? I am NOT comparing the two players, but only saying that if a player is quite clearly a higher-rated player, then...oh heck, I love him 'cause he's good and a PSU alumn, that's why

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Do you really think we will resign Dansby?

Before anyone asks, no I am not trying to be rude I am just really on the fence about the guy. Personally, I think one of RG's best moves thus far has been holding off on extending him. When the guy wants to play he is a top LB, but I really question his ethic and motives.


What are your thoughts on Law. I have seen him play 8-10Xs and I am really high on him, apparently much higher than most others. I dont like him at 16, but if we were to trade down into the end of the 1st or beginning of the second, I would love to have this guy. If he were to fall to within 5 picks of #50, I would trade a 5th this year or a 4th next year to move up.

I actually think Graves will get Dansby done. Briggs's contract set some good parameters. Worst case is they can tag him again next year if they want unless Graves agrees not use it.I don't know why he would ever agree to that but other teams have.

 

[black]

It was either Pace or Dansby getting the tag. I was really suprised when Dansby got tagged because I didn't expect anyone to get the tag from us.

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

Doucet as the #1 reciever? No way!

 

[earthsci]

Harry,

I'm of the opinion that we should draft Kevin Smith as well but only because you are so high on this guy. What about his speed though. He ran a slow 40 at the combine. What are your thoughts on that?

 

[Russ Smith]

There is really no pressing reason to comment on Harry's draft guess. His approach is particuarly sensible. He MAY have nailed it the way I see it. I don't believe Rivers will last to 16, but I do believe DRC will be there and as Harry mentioned he could be our guy...and Smith at 2 is also a very sensible choice. Interestingly they both are BPA and are important needs. Rivers not as much a need compared to our other needs but as he mentioned he just might be too good to pass up. IF he is there and Flowers is there at 2, I see the CB taken in round 2 and a RB in round 3 from the second tier (Forte/Charles type). Team will not draft a K or P...that would be a waste as a team can pick up as many as they care to look at through F/A or undrafted F/A.

I will not wake up at 3am (joke) if we go Rivers at 1, but I would feel better with one of the better top five CB's taken.

Rivers is a great athlete but the LB from USC I want didn't declare for the draft, Rey Maualuga. I was reading where scott Wolf said at the USC pro day it was Maualuga that had pro scouts drooling, I guess they let underclassmen workout too and Wolf said it was almost comical watching NFL scouts double check their stopwatches and kick the ground like damn why didn't that kid come out.

Great talent, tons of issues off the field but what a warrior. The knock on Rivers is doesn't make big plays and is a bit soft, complete opposite with Maualuga that kid will take your head off.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Rivers over DRC = a big no thanks to me.

 

[Skkorpion]

Egads, cdfmmd and stout, I'm certainly no draft wonk, being proven wrong often but I'll take a stab at those questions.

If we really don't plan on re-signing Dansby, drafting a MLB to replace him might be smart. I expect us to keep Dansby, though.

As far as LB Conner goes, I know nothing about him except that joepa and Penn State are good at producing pro LBs.

On Trevor Laws. He was a pretty decent DT, improving ever year on a bad defense. Long arms, huge hands and is a scourge blocking kicks. And never seems to get hurt.

When new defensive coordinator Corwin Brown (a Bill Parcells protegee) moved him to DE in a 3-4, his game ramped up. I'm not going to quote his stats to try to prove anything.

The guy is a good football player, better at DE in a 3-4 but fairly good inside as a DT in a 4-3.

He's 6'1" at 304 lbs, shorter than many DEs. Many teams won't like that. I have no idea where he should be or will be drafted. My guess is some team will take him in the 2nd or 3rd round.

Hypothetically, if we take a RB at #16, I'd guess Whisenhunt will go CB at #50 if he sees one he likes.

If we go DE at #16, I see RB or CB at #50. However you break it down, much to my chagrin, I don't think we draft Trevor Laws.