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Back in the day, the LT was so important because it protected a QB's blindside since most people are right handed. Now, the defense has adjusted by moving their prominent pass rushers around, much like a offense puts WRs in motion to capitalize on an advantage. So, why are we still judging with a tendency to draft RTs who are less pass protection specialists. I say if you want a RT for the Cards, draft Thomas out of Georgia. What are the opinions out there...
 

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Back in the day, the LT was so important because it protected a QB's blindside since most people are right handed. Now, the defense has adjusted by moving their prominent pass rushers around, much like a offense puts WRs in motion to capitalize on an advantage. So, why are we still judging with a tendency to draft RTs who are less pass protection specialists. I say if you want a RT for the Cards, draft Thomas out of Georgia. What are the opinions out there...
100% agree. Andrew Thomas is the best OT in this draft, end of story.
 
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Wirfs is more versatile, and Wills is as finished as there is.

That said Thomas is right there. I'd hate to be the one to say this one is .1 better than the other two. It is extremely close. You have to go by fit and for us I believe it's Wirfs.
 

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If you had to build a line with all four of these guys, You'd go

LT: Thomas
LG: Wirfs
RG: Becton
RT: Wills


If you honestly want to move Hump to the right side, take Thomas.
If you want the best pure RT, take Wills.
 

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Scouts analysis Of OL, (T)

Some who we'd consider at #8 or on a trade back.

Tristan Wirfs, Iowa (6-5, 320): His 4.87-second clocking tied Ball State’s Danny Pinter for the fastest 40. “I think he’s the first (offensive lineman) taken,” said one scout. “Him moving on the floor at the combine is one of the best I’ve ever seen for an offensive lineman. Just moving around naturally. Bend, body control, light on his feet. You don’t see that on tape. He got beat a lot on inside moves where it doesn’t look like he redirects very well. I thought he would be a Pro Bowl guard, not really an elite tackle. But seeing him move at the combine, he looked like an elite, elite left tackle.” Started at right tackle for the Hawkeyes but also made a few starts on the left side. “Played right tackle so you’re a little bit skeptical,” a second scout said. “Powerful guy. Things that stood out were his strength and his toughness.” His arms measured just 34 inches.

Jedrick Wills, Alabama (6-4, 312):Teams have had marginal success drafting Crimson Tide offensive linemen during the Nick Saban era. “We weren’t as firm on him as some of the other ones,” one scout said in reference to the other leading tackles in the draft. “He’s a pretty good athlete. Pretty strong. Shows some nasty. He played right tackle there but he looked like he can play left tackle.” One scout brought up Jonah Williams, the Alabama left tackle in 2017 and 2018 who was the 11th pick last year. “Jonah Williams is an all-star compared to this guy,” he said. “Awful. He’s upright. He’s a stiff guy.” He ran 5.06 seconds. “I’m not crazy about him but people love him,” said a third scout. “Every time I watched him, I didn’t see a really good athlete. Worked out well. I just don’t see the movement, finish, talent of a first-rounder. I do not think he could play left tackle.”

Andrew Thomas, Georgia (6-5, 315):His arm length of 36 1/8 inches tied for second longest among offensive linemen. “There’s not one negative about him,” one scout said. “He’s my third-best player in the draft. The guy’s just special, and he’s big, too. There’s a big difference between him and the rest. He’s more like (Jonathan) Ogden than (Walter) Jones or (Willie) Roaf. He’s not as good an athlete as Jones or Roaf. He’s tougher than both those guys were. He doesn’t have Ogden’s height.” He ran 5.17 seconds. “In any other year you’d say, ‘5.22 at 315, that’s killer,’” another scout said. “He’s patient. He redirects. He positions easily in the run game and stays on players. Light on his feet.”

Mekhi Becton, Louisville (6-7 1/2, 357): He made a dramatic improvement in 2019 and interviewed well in Indianapolis, too. “He came out of his shell,” said one scout. “Just being able to talk ball, being a kid you liked. I’m shocked if he doesn’t go top 10. He’s probably gained the most steam of the group.” Becton a sensational 5.11-second 40-yard dash at 364 pounds. His arms measured 35 5/8 inches and his hands were 10 3/4 inches. “I’ve never seen anything like this,” said another scout. “For years, other scouts used the term ‘dancing bear’ that I never liked. That’s what this guy is. He plays like he’s 200. He knows how to use his hands and he knocks people on the ground.” Said a third scout: “He tries to maul you right from the start with his punch. After that, if the play extends a little bit, he does a lot of watching and not a lot of effort moving his feet to stay on people. In pass pro, he’s so big and so long it takes so long to get around him.”

Ezra Cleveland, Boise State (6-6, 311):He played left tackle but switched sides at times and also worked some as a tight end. “He’s athletic enough to play the left side and play guard,” said one scout. “He did the bench 30 times. He’s probably a riser. Sometimes people go up there on tackles just because they’re so hard to find. He’s a junior. He’s from Boise out west. Not a ton of people know a ton about him. He had a really good combine.” He ran 4.94 seconds and his 30 reps on the bench press led the leading linemen. “He’s very efficient,” another scout said. “Plays on his feet. Very balanced. Quick. Didn’t surprise me the way he worked out. He’s just not a power strong guy. More athletic, quick, position, crafty, which I like.

Josh Jones, Houston (6-5, 319): He had a big week at the Senior Bowl. “He stood out athletically (in Mobile),” one scout said. “His performance (during the season) was a little inconsistent. Thing that will hurt him, he’s not as clean of a kid as some of these other guys.” He ran the 40 in 5.28 seconds and his arms measured 33 7/8 inches. “Not an elite athlete but a good athlete,” another scout said. “Uses his length well. Knows how to play. Gets on guys. Top 50.”

Isaiah Wilson, Georgia (6-6 1/2, 350):He renounced his final two years of eligibility. “He is one tough, nasty guy,” one scout said. “He’s the right tackle but I guess you could play him on the left and get by. He needs to learn to use his hands more. He’s strong and really nasty.” He ran the slowest 40 of the top linemen at 5.37 seconds. His arms measured 35 1/2 inches. “I think people are asleep on him,” a second scout said. “He could play on the left side. He’s enormous. He’s just not as clean of a package as Thomas. Thomas is a cleaner kid. But there’s film of Wilson where he looks every bit as good.

Austin Jackson, USC (6-5, 322): He surprised some personnel people with his decision to enter the draft a year early. “I couldn’t believe it,” said one. “One word I’d put on him is soft.” He started at left tackle. “He probably should have stayed in another year,” said another scout. “If he stays in, he’s a shoo-in top-20 pick next year. He still has a chance to go first round this year. Arrow’s really up. He’s starting to fill out more and get stronger. Pass pro’s really good. Like natural pass pro guy. Will need to get better as a run blocker.” He ran the 40 in 5.08 seconds and his arms measured 34 1/8 inches. “I don’t like him but there’s plenty of people that do,” a third scout said. “He’s only 20. He’s very weak and just kind of an average athlete. Just a short-area, position blocker.”
 

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If the Cardinals are going to draft a right tackle at #8, I would eventually want him to be able to play left tackle. That's what made drafting a tackle early exciting for me.
 

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Back in the day, the LT was so important because it protected a QB's blindside since most people are right handed. Now, the defense has adjusted by moving their prominent pass rushers around, much like a offense puts WRs in motion to capitalize on an advantage. So, why are we still judging with a tendency to draft RTs who are less pass protection specialists. I say if you want a RT for the Cards, draft Thomas out of Georgia. What are the opinions out there...

If you want the top pass protector, Wills is so much better than Thomas its not even close.
 

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So.... My opinion is out there.

I have always liked Thomas. He's still my #1 OT.
Changed my view on Wills, now I really like him. He's my #1 RT.
Hated Becton from the jump. I like Jones better.
And find Wirfs to be good.... but something worries me about his production vs. his measureables.

Wirfs reminds me (for some odd reason) of Robert Gallery. Not sure why yet.

RT: Wills is #1
LT: Thomas is #1

Just depends on your flavor. Wills seems made for us though it could be AT on the right to start and then when Hump gets hurt (still probable IMO) he slides to LT and Gilbert or Murray step in.

Just my thoughts. Again.
 

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So.... My opinion is out there.

I have always liked Thomas. He's still my #1 OT.
Changed my view on Wills, now I really like him. He's my #1 RT.
Hated Becton from the jump. I like Jones better.
And find Wirfs to be good.... but something worries me about his production vs. his measureables.

Wirfs reminds me (for some odd reason) of Robert Gallery. Not sure why yet.

RT: Wills is #1
LT: Thomas is #1

Just depends on your flavor. Wills seems made for us though it could be AT on the right to start and then when Hump gets hurt (still probable IMO) he slides to LT and Gilbert or Murray step in.

Just my thoughts. Again.

My real concern with Wirfs at T is his shorter arms, but he's a beast and by far the best athlete. Remember that our G's are pretty average and we always have problems in interior pass pro as well. Especially vs. Rams.
But I'm good with all three.
 

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Here’s a different question.

which o-lineman fits our style the best? What are we looking for? It doesn’t seem we would utilize a power blocker. Seems to me we want more of a finesses pass blocking zone blocking guy.

So which one fits the best for us? Forget the rankings.
 

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When was the last time the top 4 OT rankings were so diverse...2013? Hopefully, not the same outcome of 2013 from a talent perspective.
 
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Here’s a different question.

which o-lineman fits our style the best? What are we looking for? It doesn’t seem we would utilize a power blocker. Seems to me we want more of a finesses pass blocking zone blocking guy.

So which one fits the best for us? Forget the rankings.

Wirfs, move him to guard where that position is most vital to QBs with a short stature :)
 

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Here’s a different question.

which o-lineman fits our style the best? What are we looking for? It doesn’t seem we would utilize a power blocker. Seems to me we want more of a finesses pass blocking zone blocking guy.

So which one fits the best for us? Forget the rankings.
I think Wirfs is by far the best mover and most versatile.
 
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Guard is going to be an issue probably sooner than later.

what aboutMax Garcia? What does he bring to the table ?

Don't know except he's versatile. Again, the draft is about the future. I think getting a stud guard is more important than a tackle, believe it or not for our current situation provided Humphries/Murray builds on their recent performances. The same applies for the WR position. Considering Fitz's age, are we really comfortable with an eventual lineup of Hopkins and 'what do we really have' in the other troopers when Lamb or Jeudy could ensure that Squeak has a elite group for the majority of his snaps... and I really like Gaillard (more than Cole) for what he can offer
 

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guys like Wirfs and Becton are being talked about because of what they might become not what they are.

Thomas and Wills are much better products right now
Wirfs started as as true freshman in the B10 and was more than effective. Went up against AJ Espenesa every single day at practice while at Iowa. Not an easy feat by any stretch.
 

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I'd start him right off at LG and watch him dominate. Pugh and Sweezy could battle it out at RG. Cole or whoever we draft to C.
Lots of versatility in such an OLine.
Eh, think it would be wiser just to keep him on the right side ala RG. Pugh was decent at LG & Sweezy won’t be on the team after the next season ends.
 

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Eh, think it would be wiser just to keep him on the right side ala RG. Pugh was decent at LG & Sweezy won’t be on the team after the next season ends.
Ngl, I’m actually interested for Wirfs at G than I am for him at RT or any other OTs in the draft.


The amount of pulling the Guards do in this offense, maximizing his athleticism in space while minimizing his weaknesses with his pass sets on the outside....is really enticing.

Thoughts? @Solar7
 
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