Have you guys noticed that Levi Brown is not very good at football?

[crisper57]

I believe that if I ran into Levi and his family out in the world, I could get past him to plant a kiss on his wife and he'd just stand there with his hands on his hips resolving not to get beat the next time around.

 

[Redheart]

Who the hell do you think you are to question anyone's ability or reasons for posting? Your posts are never negative? If you think because you've posted on here a ridculous 45,000 times your opinion is more important than anyone else or we hang on your words you are delusional. In fact the majority of the time they're self-fulfilling and rather worthless. If you want to debate someone's posts do it as you have no buisness discouraging others from posting.

You know, I have noticed that from a lot of the mega-posters; as if quantity means authority.

I vote age should be authority, since I am getting up there.

You may now post a complimenting response.

 

[BigRedRage]

You know, I have notice that from a lot of the mega-posters; as if quantity means authority.

I vote age should be authority, since I am getting up there.

You may now post a complimenting response.

you think just because youve been posting since 2002 you can be negative but others cant?

or because you are old you get to talk first? if its too loud, you are too old.

 

[Buckybird]

Just that he is, UGH!, the best LT on the team.

Rugby I understand this comment because of last year when he was hurt, but then again how do we know? Levi is a disaster in pass pro at LT & yet this team keeps asking for punishment by playing a LT who isn't a LT. Which is exactly why this team should try Massie in his place shortly. He might be as bad, worse or better. But until we put him at LT we will never know, but I promise you he won't be as bad as Batiste was & I done think he would be worse the Levi. We know what Levi is & it's not good, so what does this team have to lose? IMO Massey will be playing LT before this season is over.

 

[Duckjake]

Peterson had injury concerns and we needed tackles bad.

Levi is a good RT

We had a great RT and a decent LT in Leonard Davis. The Cards just didn't lock him up in time. Heck Davis, right now, would be a better LT than Levi Brown.

Great Graves and CKW moves:

Letting Boldin leave
Franchising Dansby twice then letting him leave
Trading for Kevin Kolb and paying him $200 billion dollars

And #1 all time. Letting Leonard Davis go, passing on Adrian Peterson, and drafting Leonard Davis Jr.

 

[Russ Smith]

FWIW-- Winston, Fanaika, and Brown ALL got beat on that play. It was as if the Rams called "Meet at the quarterback on 3, ready...Break!"

Ridiculous.

Yep as the announcer said when the DL knows you have to throw its much harder.

 

[Russ Smith]

Rugby I understand this comment because of last year when he was hurt, but then again how do we know? Levi is a disaster in pass pro at LT & yet this team keeps asking for punishment by playing a LT who isn't a LT. Which is exactly why this team should try Massie in his place shortly. He might be as bad, worse or better. But until we put him at LT we will never know, but I promise you he won't be as bad as Batiste was & I done think he would be worse the Levi. We know what Levi is & it's not good, so what does this team have to lose? IMO Massey will be playing LT before this season is over.

I can only assume they've seen him enough in practice to know he can't play LT but I admit I'm still dumbfounded we thought Levi would be the answer.

he's better than Batiste, but he's not the answer.

 

[MadCardDisease]

What have I been wrong about? I've hated the Levi pick forever. I actively boo him at games. But I see him for what he is--an average starting left tackle surrounded by dreadful line mates.

If you consider his run blocking which is above average with his pass blocking which is way below average, I think you could come to the conclusion that Levi Brown is about an average LT.

However in a passing league where the LT is usually protecting the blindside of the QB, Levi Brown is in the spotlight. His horrible play against speed rushers just stands out so bad and is hard to overlook.

I've said this before and I'll say it again, Levi Brown is the best LT currently on the roster. As much as SK has done retooling this team, finding a decent LT at this point in the game just ain't going to happen. We are stuck with what we got. Either you pray for a miracle and hope that Levi can improve. Or you give him help against speed rushers. Those are the only two options I can see right now.

 

[Shane]

Who the hell do you think you are to question anyone's ability or reasons for posting? Your posts are never negative? If you think because you've posted on here a ridculous 45,000 times your opinion is more important than anyone else or we hang on your words you are delusional. In fact the majority of the time they're self-fulfilling and rather worthless. If you want to debate someone's posts do it as you have no buisness discouraging others from posting.

I am Shane and I am here to question him as I SEE FIT

Post count is completely irrelevant BTW the only one bringing it up that I can see is YOU!

 

[kerouac9]

If you consider his run blocking which is above average with his pass blocking which is way below average, I think you could come to the conclusion that Levi Brown is about an average LT.

However in a passing league where the LT is usually protecting the blindside of the QB, Levi Brown is in the spotlight. His horrible play against speed rushers just stands out so bad and is hard to overlook.

I've said this before and I'll say it again, Levi Brown is the best LT currently on the roster. As much as SK has done retooling this team, finding a decent LT at this point in the game just ain't going to happen. We are stuck with what we got. Either you pray for a miracle and hope that Levi can improve. Or you give him help against speed rushers. Those are the only two options I can see right now.

I think that Section 11 has it right--if you have Levi Brown as your starting LT and you're going to throw the ball 40 times in a game, you're going to lose. He's going to get beaten. Doesn't forgive the 1st quarter sack, but that's just what's going to happen.

The coaching staff and front office knew what they were going to do and what they wanted, and they failed to get a reasonable alternative to Levi Brown on the roster.

In other news--how about my boy Jim Dray? Huh? Huh?

 

[MadCardDisease]

I think that Section 11 has it right--if you have Levi Brown as your starting LT and you're going to throw the ball 40 times in a game, you're going to lose. He's going to get beaten. Doesn't forgive the 1st quarter sack, but that's just what's going to happen.

Very true!

 

[Buckybird]

I think that Section 11 has it right--if you have Levi Brown as your starting LT and you're going to throw the ball 40 times in a game, you're going to lose. He's going to get beaten. Doesn't forgive the 1st quarter sack, but that's just what's going to happen.

The coaching staff and front office knew what they were going to do and what they wanted, and they failed to get a reasonable alternative to Levi Brown on the roster.

Here's my question to that K9.

Why do coaches & GMs (both sets that have been involved) continue to trot out the same garbage & try to fit the square peg in the round hole which is a passing offense & a bad LT that struggles in pass pro? Last time I checked QB, Edge rusher & LT are the 3 most sought after positions of need in the NFL. This is exactly why I become so heated & pissed every game I watch this dude get beat like a drum & it's maddening

I don't get the logic of 2 sets of staffs. The only tie left to each is Keim...is he the problem? Geez, I can't take another year of this

 

[machgman]

Levi Brown is listed as a 7 year pro. Of course he missed one year with his injury, but it is also clear he did not work at getting better as a pass blocker.

BA says Levi's technique and improved hand placement are all that are needed to correct his deficiencies. Considering that Brown is a 7 year pro, is it reasonable for BA and Keim to keep making excuses for Brown's poor level of play after these many years in the league?

 

[kerouac9]

Here's my question to that K9.

Why do coaches & GMs (both sets that have been involved) continue to trot out the same garbage & try to fit the square peg in the round hole which is a passing offense & a bad LT that struggles in pass pro? Last time I checked QB, Edge rusher & LT are the 3 most sought after positions of need in the NFL. This is exactly why I become so heated & pissed every game I watch this dude get beat like a drum & it's maddening

I don't get the logic of 2 sets of staffs. The only tie left to each is Keim...is he the problem? Geez, I can't take another year of this

I don't know. The previous staff was married to him, and failed to recruit or draft any other options. I think they'd also had the experience with Roethlisberger and Warner that a quick release and a short-passing offense can compensate for inadequate pass blocking, while there's no substitute for strong run blocking.

I think the current staff has equally been spoiled by their experience with Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, and Andrew Luck. The last "bad" quarterback that Bruce Arians worked with was the two-headed monster of Kelly Holcoumb and Tim Couch, and that was literally 10 years ago.

That experience was apparently so scarring that Arians had to go work with Wideouts for two or three years.

I think that both coaching staffs (correctly, IMO) understand that a good quarterback helps their offensive line more than an offensive line can help a bad quarterback. It's easier to fix the one guy under center than it is the four guys AND the center in front of him. I think that this staff convinced themselves that Carson Palmer is a good quarterback (he's not), and then let the chips fall where they may.

Where I get frustrated with you is that you seem to lay this at Brown's feet, and don't express your frustration toward the front office and the coaching staff. Levi Brown is a perfectly adequate starting tackle, but for a team like the Ravens or Titans or Steelers or something. If you're going to ask him to pass protect, on an island, against very good speed rushers, you're going to look foolish.

 

[Buckybird]

I don't know. The previous staff was married to him, and failed to recruit or draft any other options. I think they'd also had the experience with Roethlisberger and Warner that a quick release and a short-passing offense can compensate for inadequate pass blocking, while there's no substitute for strong run blocking.

I think the current staff has equally been spoiled by their experience with Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, and Andrew Luck. The last "bad" quarterback that Bruce Arians worked with was the two-headed monster of Kelly Holcoumb and Tim Couch, and that was literally 10 years ago.

Where I get frustrated with you is that you seem to lay this at Brown's feet, and don't express your frustration toward the front office and the coaching staff. Levi Brown is a perfectly adequate starting tackle, but for a team like the Ravens or Titans or Steelers or something. If you're going to ask him to pass protect, on an island, against very good speed rushers, you're going to look foolish.

I can buy that spoiled staff because of the QBs it had to an extent.

And here's the man reason I get so pissed & furious with both these staffs. Sure Levi could be adequate in the Ravens, titans, texans, etc offense. 2008-2009 turned Wiz into a passing freak & we all knew that BA was going to run the same 65% pass offense he's done elsewhere right? Why continue to keep a serviceable RT who struggles with speed rushers at LT when you know the consequences & that he not suited to do that?

IMO if we wanted Levi at LT, we should've hired another coach who wanted to run more than the pass, pass, pass offense both these 2 last HCs were running. That's my biggest beef & I've said say several times. Levi's a bad fit for the scheme were running, just like the defense Bowels is trying to run with the talent he has. Just my 75 cents

 

[kerouac9]

I can buy that spoiled staff because of the QBs it had to an extent.

And here's the man reason I get so pissed & furious with both these staffs. Sure Levi could be adequate in the Ravens, titans, texans, etc offense. 2008-2009 turned Wiz into a passing freak & we all knew that BA was going to run the same 65% pass offense he's done elsewhere right? Why continue to keep a serviceable RT who struggles with speed rushers at LT when you know the consequences & that he not suited to do that?

IMO if we wanted Levi at LT, we should've hired another coach who wanted to run more than the pass, pass, pass offense both these 2 last HCs were running. That's my biggest beef & I've said say several times. Levi's a bad fit for the scheme were running, just like the defense Bowels is trying to run with the talent he has. Just my 75 cents

Let's be fair about Week 1, as well. Jim Dray was playing where I expect Rob Housler to be starting in another week or two. I think we'd like to run more 2TE offense, but we have camp bodies available to play. I expect we saw more of our #4 WR in this game than we'll see in any two-game stretch the rest of the year (it'll be hard to keep Andre Roberts off the field if he keeps up his Week 1 performance). In the 2 TE set, Levi will have some additional protection.

As for keeping Levi with the new staff, you can't hire a coaching staff because your sixth-best offensive player (or whatever) needs to get improved. You hire an offensive coach because you think that his offense can succeed in the long term. The hope for you and others is that Keim will be busting his tail to get another tackle solution next offseason. I just don't agree that Jermon Bushrod is a huge upgrade from Levi Brown.

The cost of cutting Levi Brown was so dramatic that it would be better to go with him than have to hire someone better as a free agent. It's possible that Levi would be playing right tackle right now if any of the three(!) top tackle prospects had been on the board, but they weren't. In the second round, even D.J. Fluker was already off the board.

 

[Chopper0080]

I don't know. The previous staff was married to him, and failed to recruit or draft any other options. I think they'd also had the experience with Roethlisberger and Warner that a quick release and a short-passing offense can compensate for inadequate pass blocking, while there's no substitute for strong run blocking.

I think the current staff has equally been spoiled by their experience with Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, and Andrew Luck. The last "bad" quarterback that Bruce Arians worked with was the two-headed monster of Kelly Holcoumb and Tim Couch, and that was literally 10 years ago.

That experience was apparently so scarring that Arians had to go work with Wideouts for two or three years.

I think that both coaching staffs (correctly, IMO) understand that a good quarterback helps their offensive line more than an offensive line can help a bad quarterback. It's easier to fix the one guy under center than it is the four guys AND the center in front of him. I think that this staff convinced themselves that Carson Palmer is a good quarterback (he's not), and then let the chips fall where they may.

Where I get frustrated with you is that you seem to lay this at Brown's feet, and don't express your frustration toward the front office and the coaching staff. Levi Brown is a perfectly adequate starting tackle, but for a team like the Ravens or Titans or Steelers or something. If you're going to ask him to pass protect, on an island, against very good speed rushers, you're going to look foolish.

It will be interesting to see how the Cardinals evaluate and proceed w/ the QB position in 2014. Will they decide to make it a top priority, draft one in the first round and replace Palmer, or decide to upgrade OT and OLB, keeping Palmer around for one more year.

 

[MrYeahBut]

I think that this staff convinced themselves that Carson Palmer is a good quarterback (he's not.

K9, please don't say that anymore and totally crush the few remaining hopes I have for the season. Even if it's true.


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[SECTION 11]

It will be interesting to see how the Cardinals evaluate and proceed w/ the QB position in 2014. Will they decide to make it a top priority, draft one in the first round and replace Palmer, or decide to upgrade OT and OLB, keeping Palmer around for one more year.

It will be good to know that our three biggest needs will be at the three most important positions. Go figure

 

[Cheesebeef]

It will be good to know that our three biggest needs will be at the three most important positions. Go figure

the best thing about this is that outside of 2 years with Warner, they've been our three biggest needs for oh...a eleventy bajillion freaking years.

the highest we've drafted a QB since 2006 (SEVEN YEARS AGO) was the 6th round. THE SIXTH ROUND. I think the highest we've drafted a LT since 2007 has been the 6th round. THE SIXTH ROUND.

SIXTH ROUND!

Where's my freaking cookie dough?

 

[SECTION 11]

the best thing about this is that outside of 2 years with Warner, they've been our three biggest needs for oh...a eleventy bajillion freaking years.

the highest we've drafted a QB since 2006 (SEVEN YEARS AGO) was the 6th round. THE SIXTH ROUND. I think the highest we've drafted a LT since 2007 has been the 6th round. THE SIXTH ROUND.

SIXTH ROUND!

Where's my freaking cookie dough?

Yeah but the belly of our team is awesome, and our powder is dry. Booyah

 

[kerouac9]

It will be good to know that our three biggest needs will be at the three most important positions. Go figure

Don't forget tight end, where we've pinned our hopes on a lot of guys (I believed in you, Freddie Jones), but no one's been able to deliver.

What odds can I get that our 2014 first round pick will be spent on a tight end?

the best thing about this is that outside of 2 years with Warner, they've been our three biggest needs for oh...a eleventy bajillion freaking years.

the highest we've drafted a QB since 2006 (SEVEN YEARS AGO) was the 6th round. THE SIXTH ROUND. I think the highest we've drafted a LT since 2007 has been the 6th round. THE SIXTH ROUND.

SIXTH ROUND!

Where's my freaking cookie dough?

To be fair, I think Skelton was a 5th rounder.

Would you rather strike out, like we have with rush linebackers since Simeon Rice, or just not swing?

At least you can rest assured that we'll be using our 2014 third-round pick on a wideout to "replace" Andre Roberts, who won't blossom until his third season.

 

[ajcardfan]

The only position this franchise has ever really been able to get right is WR. It's been the strength of the team every single year for as long as I can remember (barring the Kasper-McAddley era. Even our UDFA WRs often go on to play for a while if we cut them (see Stephen Williams in SEA.)

Dear football gods... I'll trade a the next couple of good WRs, who seem to just fall off the bus into our laps, for a respectable LT. Note, "respectable", not "great". Is that too much to ask?

 

[AzStevenCal]

The only position this franchise has ever really been able to get right is WR. It's been the strength of the team every single year for as long as I can remember (barring the Kasper-McAddley era. Even our UDFA WRs often go on to play for a while if we cut them (see Stephen Williams in SEA.)

Dear football gods... I'll trade a the next couple of good WRs, who seem to just fall off the bus into our laps, for a respectable LT. Note, "respectable", not "great". Is that too much to ask?

I can't support you in this. If you get the attention of the Football Gods, by all that is pigskin holy, you ask for a GREAT LT!

Steve

 

[Duckjake]

K9, please don't say that anymore and totally crush the few remaining hopes I have for the season. Even if it's true.


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Palmer just threw for the most yards in a regular season game since Warner 3 and a half years and 55 games ago. I'll take him. First Team All-PRO maybe not but he's good enough for the team to win.

We're Cardinal fans. We can't be choosy.