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The Cowboys are starting to make a believer out of me. Does a coach like Parcells really make that much difference? I used to think not but am now rethinking this. Last year the Cowboys were just plain bad. Quincy Carter is now starting to produce in his second year (what is McCown doing?). If the Cowboys can turn it around in one year could we? We do not have a Quincy Carter in waiting. I think it all starts with a QB. Until we get a good one to build around we will always flounder. It looks to me like we will have the #1 or #2 pick next year so if there is a franchise type QB out there I would take him. Of course the Bears will be doing the same thing and I think they will be our competitor. Peyton Manning is really firing up Mississippi. They crushed Alabama and he is starting to look like the rest of the Manning family. I will watch them play Arkansas next week and I suspect he will kick our a---. I do not know what coach is out there that could really turn a team around but they sure should be looking for one now. Is Green the DC for the Vikings? They seem to really be playing well. At any rate we need someone who management will allow to run the team and have input like Parcells. That new stadium will do nothing for us unless we can field a team and we better start getting our act together now. If Mike Bidwill thinks this team is capable of 8 and 8 then he must be smoking something strange. Mac's time has come and gone and the team knows it and he knows it so do not expect a lot of fire out of these guys for the rest of the year.
 

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the bears took grossman last year, i dont see them using two first rounders in a row at the quarterback position
 

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You mean Eli Manning
Entering the new stadium, the Cardinals need to have a major turnaround. I see no indication that they can do this under Coach Mac. Something has to generate excitement. A high profile Head Coach can do this. That same HC cannot sustain it, it takes wins to do that. But, I think there is some decent talent on the current roster. All management needs to do right now is buy some time. Get a new HC. Let that, alone, generate some interest. And the right HC can win in Arizona. I like Dennis Green. Or, if the bosses don't want to spend much money....Maurice Carthon (OC for Dallas). We have to generate interest. Right now, we are looked at as the worst team in the NFL. After 40 yrs, I'm tired of that.
 

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Question:

How is the staff (thus head coach) salary connected to the cap? Is there a connection at all? Or is this just overhead as training facilities and all this stuff?

Thanks for helping out. :wave:
 

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The problem is no high profile head coach wants to coach for Bidwill. We will be stuck with a promising OC/DC not a Dennis Green. Face it, this team will always be in the cellar under Bill Bidwill.
 

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Originally posted by azwulf
Question:

How is the staff (thus head coach) salary connected to the cap? Is there a connection at all? Or is this just overhead as training facilities and all this stuff?

Thanks for helping out. :wave:

The coaching staff's salary doesn't affect the cap in anyway. It is considered overhead.
 

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Originally posted by john h
The Cowboys are starting to make a believer out of me. Does a coach like Parcells really make that much difference? I used to think not but am now rethinking this. Last year the Cowboys were just plain bad. Quincy Carter is now starting to produce in his second year (what is McCown doing?). If the Cowboys can turn it around in one year could we? We do not have a Quincy Carter in waiting. I think it all starts with a QB. Until we get a good one to build around we will always flounder. It looks to me like we will have the #1 or #2 pick next year so if there is a franchise type QB out there I would take him. Of course the Bears will be doing the same thing and I think they will be our competitor. Peyton Manning is really firing up Mississippi. They crushed Alabama and he is starting to look like the rest of the Manning family. I will watch them play Arkansas next week and I suspect he will kick our a---. I do not know what coach is out there that could really turn a team around but they sure should be looking for one now. Is Green the DC for the Vikings? They seem to really be playing well. At any rate we need someone who management will allow to run the team and have input like Parcells. That new stadium will do nothing for us unless we can field a team and we better start getting our act together now. If Mike Bidwill thinks this team is capable of 8 and 8 then he must be smoking something strange. Mac's time has come and gone and the team knows it and he knows it so do not expect a lot of fire out of these guys for the rest of the year.


The coaching staff makes all the difference in the world IMO. There is no way you will convince me that Dallas has that much more talent than us, especially on offense. I'm not sure what high profile coach would come to Arizona, but seems it would have to be someone with a HUGE ego. Someone that thinks they can turn it around despite Bidwill. Unfortunately most active head coaches have the idea that coaching here is career suicide.
 

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2 things:

#1 - on the Cowboys...Parcells took over a team that was NOT that bad. The Cowboys had an excellent Defense last year that kept them in most games. The offense played terrible last year. Parcells took over a team WITH Talent -- he is coaching the team well, AND they have an easy schedule this year....put it all together and they are 5-1....so, IMO it's
not all due to Parcells, but he definitely is part of it....

#2 - I'm worried that Bidwill just doesn't like smart, strong willed head coaches...(do they threaten him too much?) ...I should have left this team the day he fired Don Coryell ... Coryell turned Bidwill's sorry franchise around in the 70's and what did he get for it? Locked out of his office and fired ... Bidwill didn't even give the guy enough respect to talk to him face to face...I think Coryell heard it on the news or something...Coryell was a great coach who went on to take another sorry franchise of the 70's all the way to the AFC Championship game....This is why great coaches won't work for Bidwill....and I wonder if he likes it that way. Plain and simple, this team will never be any good until Bill Bidwill is out of the picture - TOTALLY...AND everyone involved with the league KNOWS IT .... I just hope I live long enough to see it. Knowing my luck, he'll live to be 110 and still be running things.......
 

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Originally posted by BigRed
The problem is no high profile head coach wants to coach for Bidwill. We will be stuck with a promising OC/DC not a Dennis Green. Face it, this team will always be in the cellar under Bill Bidwill.

Ya know people keep using this argument about why we won't be able to attracta a big name coach, but I for one think it's BUNK.

The fact that Marvin Lewis AND Tom Coughlin both interviewed for the Bengals job shows that coaches will go ANYWHERE, and that just because we are the Cardinals doesn't mean we can't sign a "high profile" coach.

Hell, even Mooch went to Detriot to work for Matt Millen.
 
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Originally posted by MadBird
2 things:

#1 - on the Cowboys...Parcells took over a team that was NOT that bad. The Cowboys had an excellent Defense last year that kept them in most games. The offense played terrible last year. Parcells took over a team WITH Talent -- he is coaching the team well, AND they have an easy schedule this year....put it all together and they are 5-1....so, IMO it's
not all due to Parcells, but he definitely is part of it....

#2 - I'm worried that Bidwill just doesn't like smart, strong willed head coaches...(do they threaten him too much?) ...I should have left this team the day he fired Don Coryell ... Coryell turned Bidwill's sorry franchise around in the 70's and what did he get for it? Locked out of his office and fired ... Bidwill didn't even give the guy enough respect to talk to him face to face...I think Coryell heard it on the news or something...Coryell was a great coach who went on to take another sorry franchise of the 70's all the way to the AFC Championship game....This is why great coaches won't work for Bidwill....and I wonder if he likes it that way. Plain and simple, this team will never be any good until Bill Bidwill is out of the picture - TOTALLY...AND everyone involved with the league KNOWS IT .... I just hope I live long enough to see it. Knowing my luck, he'll live to be 110 and still be running things.......

Buddy Ryan was as strong-willed a coach as there ever was. I'm, not one to defend Bill Bidwill Sr., but he handed the keys over to Ryan and got burned pretty bad.
 
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Originally posted by MadBird
2 things:

#1 - on the Cowboys...Parcells took over a team that was NOT that bad. The Cowboys had an excellent Defense last year that kept them in most games. The offense played terrible last year. Parcells took over a team WITH Talent -- he is coaching the team well, AND they have an easy schedule this year....put it all together and they are 5-1....so, IMO it's
not all due to Parcells, but he definitely is part of it....

#2 - I'm worried that Bidwill just doesn't like smart, strong willed head coaches...(do they threaten him too much?) ...I should have left this team the day he fired Don Coryell ... Coryell turned Bidwill's sorry franchise around in the 70's and what did he get for it? Locked out of his office and fired ... Bidwill didn't even give the guy enough respect to talk to him face to face...I think Coryell heard it on the news or something...Coryell was a great coach who went on to take another sorry franchise of the 70's all the way to the AFC Championship game....This is why great coaches won't work for Bidwill....and I wonder if he likes it that way. Plain and simple, this team will never be any good until Bill Bidwill is out of the picture - TOTALLY...AND everyone involved with the league KNOWS IT .... I just hope I live long enough to see it. Knowing my luck, he'll live to be 110 and still be running things.......

You sure bring back a bad memory for me in the firing of Coryell. He was truly a gifted coach. Bidwill was not very smart then and obviously has not gotten any smarter.
 

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Originally posted by jon_nyaz
Buddy Ryan was as strong-willed a coach as there ever was. I'm, not one to defend Bill Bidwill Sr., but he handed the keys over to Ryan and got burned pretty bad.

But Ryan wasn't a "SMART, strong willed coach". :D
 

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But Ryan wasn't a "SMART, strong willed coach". :D

He was smart on the defensive side of the ball, but he was Peter Principled all the way to a position that was way over his head. He kind of reminds me of Ray Rhodes in that way. Buddy might have even been a decent head coach if he had a strong-willed, smart offensive coordinator and a strong-willed, smart GM to work with.
 

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Originally posted by john h
You sure bring back a bad memory for me in the firing of Coryell. He was truly a gifted coach. Bidwill was not very smart then and obviously has not gotten any smarter.

Since that was quite awile before my time, could someone post a brief synopsis of what went down with Coryell? He had great records, and took them to the playoffs twice, why was he fired? :confused:
 

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Originally posted by jon_nyaz
He was smart on the defensive side of the ball, but he was Peter Principled all the way to a position that was way over his head. He kind of reminds me of Ray Rhodes in that way. Buddy might have even been a decent head coach if he had a strong-willed, smart offensive coordinator and a strong-willed, smart GM to work with.

I always thought that the perfect coaching set up would be a guy like McGinnis as Head Coach, Ryan as DC and John Macovich as OC. Of course you would have to have a fence between the offense and defense at practice and on the sidelines to keep the latter two from killing each other.
 

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Since that was quite awile before my time, could someone post a brief synopsis of what went down with Coryell? He had great records, and took them to the playoffs twice, why was he fired? :confused:

I think officially it was because he went 7-7 and Bidwill thought the team was headed the wrong way. Of course we hired Bud Wilkinson to replace him, who'd been out of football for years(and was a college coach not an NFL coach). He was fired after 13 games. Eventually we hired Hanifan who was the OL coach and the guy most players wanted anyways.

I seem to recall Coryell and Bidwill had conflicts over money, I don't think Don ever forgave him for losing Terry Metcalf to Canada. Basically Metcalf felt he was worth more money and wasn't getting it, Bidwill thought he fumbled too much and didn't want to pony up, so he left. Metcalf once said he was literally booed out of St. Louis by the fans but as always he got more money when he left.

I think Coryell just felt like he wasn't fully supported by Bidwill.
 

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Wilkinson was 6-10 in 1978 and 3-10 in 1979.

The "Sports Century" biography of Wilkinson gave the impression that he was always talking like _he_ should become an owner. I'm sure Bidwill didn't tolerate that for long.
 

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Wilkinson was 6-10 in 1978 and 3-10 in 1979.


Whoops you're right, 13 games in year 2 not year 1.

When the Rams hired Vermeil people were making Bud Wilkinson jokes about that too. Bud was pretty clearly out of his element when he took over, he'd been out of the game too long and had no understanding of the NFL game.
 

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I seem to recall Coryell and Bidwill had conflicts over money...Of course we hired Bud Wilkinson to replace him...He was fired after 13 games.

From the recesses of my memory - Coryell (despite being an offensive-minded coach) wanted to draft LB Robin Cole. Bidwill and the front office insisted on drafting that one-eyed QB from Missouri - Steve Piczarkewiecz. When they did that, Coryell threw a hissy and Bidwill changed the proverbial locks on the door - indicating that he'd like to bring in someone "with more maturity."

Wilkinson while head coach, apparently was quietly putting together a consortium interested in buying the Cardinals from the Bidwill family. Mr. B apparently took umbrage feeling it was disloyal.

El Locko Chango.
 

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Originally posted by jon_nyaz
He was smart on the defensive side of the ball, but he was Peter Principled all the way to a position that was way over his head. He kind of reminds me of Ray Rhodes in that way. Buddy might have even been a decent head coach if he had a strong-willed, smart offensive coordinator and a strong-willed, smart GM to work with.

WOW!:eek: Rhodes to Ryan.

What a great comparision!

Buddy Ryan was NOT head coach material but he was my favorite defensive coordinator of all time.

I really like that part of his "game plan" was to have defenders that could deliver a "big blow".

I heard through the grape vine he had one or two defensive setups that trapped the WR into spot for the direct purpose to take his head off/fumble the ball.

Sweet!

:thumbup:
 

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