Henry and Surtain...would be nice

[Jetstream Green]

If the Cards could get Henry even if they flip flop 2nd round picks with the Bills and could get Surtain for one of there thirds if the rumors hold any weight...This team would have a lot of freedom on draft day. They could go CB at number 8 or go the D.J. Johnson route. Surtain giving the possible youngsters some veteran leadership along with Macklin.

 

[black]

If the Cards could get Henry even if they flip flop 2nd round picks with the Bills and could get Surtain for one of there thirds if the rumors hold any weight...This team would have a lot of freedom on draft day. They could go CB at number 8 or go the D.J. Johnson route. Surtain giving the possible youngsters some veteran leadership along with Macklin.

Yes!!!!!!!!! I was thinking this last night after the Peter King segment! It could happen and open our team up to an actual contender.

 

[SuperSpck]

This idea is hotter than a prom queen, more beautiful than a newborn baby.
Which is probably why it won't happen. We don't live in the town of Perfect. But at least we can shop at wallgreens.

Or something.

 

[AntSports Steve]

I'm thinking the Surtain deal is a smoke screen. But even 1 or the other would be great. About a month ago I posted how the Cards can actually afford both Surtain and Henry and still find some bucks for Boldin. It would have been easier to sign them both if they would have cut Woods and Raynock after June 1st. Oh well.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If we get one or the other we should be doing cartwheels. If we got both - we should be checking our shorts because we will all have lost bodily functions. Both ain't happening.

 

[arthurracoon]

If we get one or the other we should be doing cartwheels. If we got both - we should be checking our shorts because we will all have lost bodily functions. Both ain't happening.

Keep the faith cheesy!!!

BELIEVE!!!

 

[cardsunsfan]

If we get one or the other we should be doing cartwheels. If we got both - we should be checking our shorts because we will all have lost bodily functions. Both ain't happening.

Well we sure didn't manage our cap the best way this off season... It could have happened, if had wanted it to happen. Why couldn't have it? We would have had enough money..and if we wanted Henry bad enough we could swap seconds...

We could be a great team if we did this.. I think we should. I'm tired of waiting till next yr...

 

[Cheesebeef]

Well we sure didn't manage our cap the best way this off season... It could have happened, if had wanted it to happen. Why couldn't have it? We would have had enough money..and if we wanted Henry bad enough we could swap seconds...

We could be a great team if we did this.. I think we should. I'm tired of waiting till next yr...

You DO realize that the market was pretty much set for CBs when Oakland got a 2ND AND A 3RD for Buchanon - an INFERIOR CB to Surtain - right? So you're willing to sacrifice the future of this team for a RB with question marks AND will be a FA and a CB about to be 30 - and ALSO a FA.

You want to mortgage the future for one or two years - sorry - we ain't the Skins - we don't make stupid trades anymore - we'r ebuildsing for the long haul.

And tell me - how did we not manage our cap well this offseason? We spent a ton on FAs to upgrade the team considerably - still have money left over to extend Quan and STILL are in talks for both of those players.

Seriously - some of you guys will just bitch and moan to bitch and moan.

 

[BACH]

Well we sure didn't manage our cap the best way this off season... It could have happened, if had wanted it to happen. Why couldn't have it? We would have had enough money..and if we wanted Henry bad enough we could swap seconds...

We could be a great team if we did this.. I think we should. I'm tired of waiting till next yr...

IMO this is probably the worst and most ignorant post of the year, but I'll give a fair chance. Do you care to explain why you think the cap was badly managed?

 

[LittleDavis]

IMO this is probably the worst and most ignorant post of the year, but I'll give a fair chance. Do you care to explain why you think the cap was badly managed?

LMFAO...I have read some of sun carl's posts in the past. I think he is just trashed. Sun Carl must be sitting in sun city with my grandpa drinking vodka. LOL...man that was a funny post. Be an actor and read it as if you were drunk. It makes perfect sense.

 

[Russ Smith]

You DO realize that the market was pretty much set for CBs when Oakland got a 2ND AND A 3RD for Buchanon - an INFERIOR CB to Surtain - right? So you're willing to sacrifice the future of this team for a RB with question marks AND will be a FA and a CB about to be 30 - and ALSO a FA.

You want to mortgage the future for one or two years - sorry - we ain't the Skins - we don't make stupid trades anymore - we'r ebuildsing for the long haul.

And tell me - how did we not manage our cap well this offseason? We spent a ton on FAs to upgrade the team considerably - still have money left over to extend Quan and STILL are in talks for both of those players.

Seriously - some of you guys will just bitch and moan to bitch and moan.

Not necessarily, Buchanon has played 3 years on his 5 year rookie contract so they were trading a guy signed for 2 more years, at base salaries of only 700 and 800K. That's one reason why the Raiders got 2 picks for Buchanon, he has a VERY cap friendly deal.

Surtain has one year left and counts 8.4 million on Miami's cap, so they are trying to trade him because of caphit, not performance, that's why they haven't gotten market value offered. I read an article today in the Sun Sentinel that said the deal with KC is less likely now because the Buchanon deal confirms Miami is right in demanding no less than a 2nd rounder for Surtain. Basically said if Oakland can get a 2 and a 3, no way Miami will take less than a 2. KC has been offering a 4 because they don't have a 3.

So if the Cards really want Surtain either offer the 2, you're making an offer KC has been unwilling to make for a month. If Miami now expects to get 2 picks for a guy who will be 29 in a few months and who they don't want to keep, they're crazy.

I assume SunCard meant that by releasing Thompson when we did, we took a caphit this year that we didn't have to take if we waited until June to cut him. If you're trying to scrounge caproom to sign Boldin and maybe fit a Surtain in, that wasted caproom might be important. If you're not, it may be wiser to save caproom NEXT year, which is essentially what we did. But next year the cap is expected to go up again so I don't think it's wrong to suggest we mishandled the cap by letting Ray go now.

 

[TheCardFan]

If what we are reading is close to being true...

Send (edit: ) Shelton to Buffalo for Henry and swap #2's. We now have #55.

Send the #55 to Miami for Surtain.

Essentially we traded Shelton and our #2 pick for Henry and Surtain. That is a pretty good deal any day of the week.

Issues:

1) Both Henry and Surtain are free agents in 06. Surtain should definitely be signed to an extension as a stipulation of the trade. It will be costly but he is a legit #1 shutdown corner.

2) I still think Green prefers Bennett. Miami needs a LT big time and maybe the twist to the deal is Miami gets Shelton and a #3 pick from us and we get Bennett for the other #3 pick. That still leaves us with 2 picks in the top 44.

Henry is alot more like Shipp than Bennett. Bennett actually compliments our current backs perfectly but can he stay healthy?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

You DO realize that the market was pretty much set for CBs when Oakland got a 2ND AND A 3RD for Buchanon - an INFERIOR CB to Surtain - right? So you're willing to sacrifice the future of this team for a RB with question marks AND will be a FA and a CB about to be 30 - and ALSO a FA.

You want to mortgage the future for one or two years - sorry - we ain't the Skins - we don't make stupid trades anymore - we'r ebuildsing for the long haul.

And tell me - how did we not manage our cap well this offseason? We spent a ton on FAs to upgrade the team considerably - still have money left over to extend Quan and STILL are in talks for both of those players.

Seriously - some of you guys will just bitch and moan to bitch and moan.

oh the sweet irony of this post . . .

THE DRAFT IS LESS THAN TWO DAYS AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If what we are reading is close to being true...

Send Henry to Buffalo for Henry and swap #2's. We now have #55.

Send the #55 to Miami for Surtain.

Essentially we traded Shelton and our #2 pick for Henry and Surtain. That is a pretty good deal any day of the week.

EH, WHAT THE HELL, DO IT.