Here is something to spark a new round of ASU vs UofA

[clif]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/stewart_mandel/08/08/cfb.bag/index.html


Knights

Arizona State, Arkansas, Boston College, Cal, Georgia Tech, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas State, Maryland, Michigan State, Missouri, N.C. State, Oklahoma State, Ole Miss, Oregon, Oregon State, Pittsburgh, Purdue, Stanford, Syracuse*, South Carolina, Texas Tech, Virginia, West Virginia and Washington State.
* In normal times, Syracuse would qualify as one of the barons, but they're just so darn bad and so irrelevant right now.
Peasants

Arizona, Baylor, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Duke, Minnesota, Indiana, Iowa State, Kansas, Kentucky, Mississippi State, North Carolina, Northwestern, Rutgers*, South Florida*, Wake Forest and Vanderbilt.

 

[clif]

BTW I have no dog in the fight.. just found it interesting.

 

[Rivercard]

BTW I have no dog in the fight.. just found it interesting.

I like his quote about Louisville...........

There is one school intentionally missing from the list, and that's because I have no idea where to put it: Louisville. History-wise, the Cardinals are peasants, but the program has completely reinvented itself over the past decade and now gets mentioned with the kings and barons. For now, we'll just say: TBD.

 

[Mulli]

Illinois? Texas Tech, maybe, but Illinois?

 

[Renz]

Ole Miss? Please.

 

[Mulli]

Virginia? Maybe. But Illinois?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Not going to spark anything with me. Like most Arizona fans, I know the football program is below average with really the only success coming here and there in the 80's and 90's. It's ASU fan who will get angered at this article as they think their program is near elite, despite having no signs of consistent greatness anywhere in their history.

 

[Renz]

Not going to spark anything with me. Like most Arizona fans, I know the football program is below average with really the only success coming here and there in the 80's and 90's. It's ASU fan who will get angered at this article as they think their program is near elite, despite having no signs of consistent greatness anywhere in their history.

UofA is definitely the best program in the "Peasant" category.

 

[Mulli]

Not going to spark anything with me. Like most Arizona fans, I know the football program is below average with really the only success coming here and there in the 80's and 90's. It's ASU fan who will get angered at this article as they think their program is near elite, despite having no signs of consistent greatness anywhere in their history.

There might have been when I was a toddler, but it was too long ago to really matter.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Virginia? Maybe. But Illinois?

They're taking history into consideration.

There might have been when I was a toddler, but it was too long ago to really matter.

In the WAC, which doesn't mean much if anything. That's like Boise moving to the Pac-10 and going 7-5 for the next 20 years and Boise State message boards in 2035 screaming about being elite because of what they did from 1999-2006.

 

[Mulli]

They're taking history into consideration.

I am not interested in looking it up so I'll take their word for it.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Not going to spark anything with me. Like most Arizona fans, I know the football program is below average with really the only success coming here and there in the 80's and 90's. It's ASU fan who will get angered at this article as they think their program is near elite, despite having no signs of consistent greatness anywhere in their history.

Why would we be angry? The program has been an underachiever, but there at least appears to be a light at the end of the tunnel. Most college football fans look at ASU becoming a major program as inevitable, and it's hard to disagree. At least we get to look forward to football season, deluded as we may be.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Most college football fans look at ASU becoming a major program as inevitable, and it's hard to disagree.

Actually only ASU fans and people who look only at the surface of a program think the Devils are a sleeping giant. Their revenue, fan and community support, and recruiting base puts them along with second or third tier football schools rather than the traditional and current elite programs. ASU has hot girls and nice weather, but it takes much more than that to build the program ASU fans strive for.

 

[Dback Jon]

Illinois? Texas Tech, maybe, but Illinois?

Virginia? Maybe. But Illinois?

Yes, Illinois. Very rich tradition - Red Grange, multiple Rose Bowls, etc.

 

[Mulli]

Yes, Illinois. Very rich tradition - Red Grange, multiple Rose Bowls, etc.

Took you a while.

 

[Dback Jon]

Took you a while.

Only get to the computer in the morning now...

 

[AZBALLER]

Actually only ASU fans and people who look only at the surface of a program think the Devils are a sleeping giant. Their revenue, fan and community support, and recruiting base puts them along with second or third tier football schools rather than the traditional and current elite programs. ASU has hot girls and nice weather, but it takes much more than that to build the program ASU fans strive for.

What is a "third tier football school"? A team like ua that goes a decade without going to a bowl game? If ASU is third tier then is ua 5th/6th tier? Maybe ua should just drop that sport?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

What is a "third tier football school"? A team like ua that goes a decade without going to a bowl game? If ASU is third tier then is ua 5th/6th tier? Maybe ua should just drop that sport?

A third tier program is one that is is good more often than not but almost never contends. A second tier program is good every year and contends about every recruiting cycle. Top tier programs contend annually. Pretty easy to see where the Devils line up in that hierarchy.

And yes, Arizona is probably a fifth tier football school.

 

[AZBALLER]

It sounds like you've invented a great little system for ranking programs. Thanks for explaining it.

 

[Skkorpion]

Actually only ASU fans and people who look only at the surface of a program think the Devils are a sleeping giant. Their revenue, fan and community support, and recruiting base puts them along with second or third tier football schools rather than the traditional and current elite programs. ASU has hot girls and nice weather, but it takes much more than that to build the program ASU fans strive for.

Works for Miami.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Works for Miami.

So Miami and ASU have comparable recruiting bases? Didn't think so, plus the U has tradition.

 

[AZBALLER]

So Miami and ASU have comparable recruiting bases? Didn't think so, plus the U has tradition.

ASU has 2 undefeated and untied seasons. They are recognized by the NCAA as Co-National champs twice...I guess that's not tradition, just because the USA Today ranked ASU second in their weekly top 25?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

ASU has 2 undefeated and untied seasons. They are recognized by the NCAA as Co-National champs twice...I guess that's not tradition, just because the USA Today ranked ASU second in their weekly top 25?

Are you really comparing the tradition of Miami with ASU?

And are we really going to get into the national championship thing again? You've already been proven magnificently wrong on that one.

 

[AZBALLER]

You've already been proven magnificently wrong on that one.

Huh? Just because you say so? Go ahead and tell the NCAA that they're wrong, since they're the ones who credit ASU with 2 Co-Nartional Championships in football. I'm sure they will recognize the error in their ways.

 

[AZBALLER]

plus the U has tradition.

Do you not understand the words that you type?

I typed that ASU has tradition. I didn't type that ASU has better tradition than miami. So no. I wasn't comparing the tradition of the 2 schools. By your standards that'd be like comparing ua baseball to ASU baseball.