Here we go again!! Dennis Green may get bought out!!

[joeshmo]

Even bad writers have some sort of source for their rumors. Rome is Burning had the sam rumor today. You start getting enough of these and someone is planting them and for a reason.

Rome's source was that Minny article. I even think he quoted it.

And Minny's source who does not have a great track record for sources, was from a sentance in an NFL matchup article on the Rams Vs. Cards.

 

[PACardsFan]

Oh God, please NOOOOOOOO!!!!

Does anyone remember how awful Carroll was as an NFL coach???

Look, some coaches are geared for college, and some are geared for the pros. Rick Pitino is a great example. June Jones is another.

Keep Denny and let's give this some more time!

I think that you are exagerrating just how bad an NFL coach Carroll was. He did make the playoffs a few times. I would be tickled to see ANY Cardinal coach get us to 10-6 or 9-7. Pete Carroll was too young & inexperienced for an NFL HC position with the Jets & Pats. He has certainly done a great job at USC as that program was in the gutter when he took it over. I would be all for hiring Carroll. Furthermore, I think the pro game has changed too much for Green to ever be the coach he was in Minnesota. If anything, Carroll's style would be far more successful today in the NFL than it was 6-7 years ago. I do agree that Green deserves another year, but I have the sneaky suspicion that it's Green who wants out.

 

[Mitch]

Hard to believe:

1. DG would want out after two years, albeit disappointing years. Should he ask out...it's very unlikely he will ever get a head coaching job again in the NFL. College, yes. NFL, no. Perhaps he's fine with that...and maybe he wants to return to TV and have more free time to spend with his family and to fish.

2. Pete Carroll would ever want to leave USC. He's said before that it's the perfect job and place for him. Why leave?...especially to take a job with a perennial loser.

Would Pete Carroll be a good NFL coach at THIS point in his career? I believe he would. His stint at USC has done wonders for his confidence...and hands on coaches are becoming more and more prevalent in today's NFL...a la Dick Vermeil, Tony Dungee, Lovie Smith, Marvin Lewis, Bill Cowher, Jack Del Rio, etc.

Norm Chow is going to interest teams...he brings a special talent to the position in terms of his offensive knowledge. With the talent the Cards have on offense, Chow would be very intriguing. If and when the Cardinals are searching for a new head coach, this time around they really should go after a coach with playcalling experience.

 

[Pariah]

FWIW, I saw someone on NFL Network last night saying that someone in the Patriots organization was musing what would have happened with Carrol at the helm if they had given him as much control as they've given bellichek. Despite a poor showing (but then they also said he had a winning record there?), they have tons of respect for him as an NFL coach.

 

[Stout]

Rome's source was that Minny article. I even think he quoted it.

And Minny's source who does not have a great track record for sources, was from a sentance in an NFL matchup article on the Rams Vs. Cards.

Exactly. Like I said, even KFFL pulled the piece.

 

[overseascardfan]

To be honest I don't feel a new coach is going to turn this around. You need talent on the football field, coaches never win a footbal game for you. Coaches are there for motivating their teams and making games plans and calling plays, if you don't have enough talent your just not going to win, period.

 

[Southpaw]

I'm dead serious. He's a great college coach but not very good in the NFL.

Zackly. Carroll is a freaking goofball and fits in well with the rah rah colege game at USC. Jets and Patriots tired of him quickly.

 

[conraddobler]

Zackly. Carroll is a freaking goofball and fits in well with the rah rah colege game at USC. Jets and Patriots tired of him quickly.

Belichick wasn't anything special in his stint with the Browns, in fact he was pretty bad.

What some don't consider is that nowhere in the NFL do they train you to be a head coach. They just promote good assistants without any regaurd for the training it takes to run a team.

He's older, wiser and let's face it he has an excellent football mind. No one style is superior to another it just takes practice to implement whatever natural style you have.

Vermeil has a very similar style and he's a good coach, Pete isn't a fireball get in your face guy but as long as you do know what you are doing you can win.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

I think that you are exagerrating just how bad an NFL coach Carroll was.

He was 34-33 in stints with the Jets and Patriots.

 

[PACardsFan]

He was 34-33 in stints with the Jets and Patriots.

And your point is??? After the crap football that has been played in AZ over the last 20 years, 34-33 would be a godsend. This guy is head & shoulders better than anyone the Cardinals have had roaming their sideline. If we could hire this guy, then we SHOULD. To think otherwise is being intellectually dishonest.

 

[joeshmo]

And your point is???

The point is he inherited a really good super bowl team from Parcells, a team that got worse and worse in his 3 years with the team.

 

[PACardsFan]

The point is he inherited a really good super bowl team from Parcells, a team that got worse and worse in his 3 years with the team.

They were an overachieving team (in a weak Conference) that lost the Super Bowl. Parcells is the greatest coach in NFL history & the ONLY reason that team went as far as it did. How many of the recent Super Bowl losers even got back to the playoffs the following year (Not many - see Philly, Carolina, NYG, etc). Carroll did a decent job just getting them back to the playoffs. Regardless, that was quite a few years ago. This guy has obviously matured into an excellent HC. Mark my words, this guy will eventually return to the NFL & HE WILL BE SUCCESSFUL. Since there are probably NFL GM's that feel the way you do, NOW is the perfect time to grab him. One his NFL stock goes through the roof, we would NEVER be able to compete for his services.

 

[Savage58]

he certainly has a higher salary cap with USC.

Sorry I am late, but that is HILARIOUS!!!

 

[Southpaw]

he certainly has a higher salary cap with USC.

Badda bing. Hitting the nail smack dead on the head.

Thye NFL is all about selling seats for the fans butts. Green is not doing that. With a brand new facility, I don't think the Cardinals can pass up the chance to get a glamorous coach. Green is not a pin up coach. Carroll would be a coaching disater but a PR possibility. I don't think Carroll will leave USC, but the Bidwells need to fish or cut bait with Green. Consider the quick change of pace in Cincinnatti, Chicago, Miami, with new coaches and look at Green. Maybe there is some envy in The Bidwill empire.

P.S. Green has a history of pissing off owners.

 

[joeshmo]

They were an overachieving team (in a weak Conference) that lost the Super Bowl. Parcells is the greatest coach in NFL history & the ONLY reason that team went as far as it did.

Disagree completely.

You dont make it to the super bowl no matter what confrence you are in based on your coaches talents alone. In fact far from it. Parcells landed a ton of talent in his stint with NE a lot of Talent that is or was still with the team that has won 3 of the last 4 super bowls. To say Parcells was the only reason for getting that team to the super bowl is such an exageration to try and make a point in your arguement, and you cant really believe that. They were 11-5 that year and destroyed their 2 opponents inthe playoffs to get to the superbowl. That was a very good team a team that had a lot of talent. They also gave the Packers all that they could handle in the super bowl and lost not beucase they could move the ball or stop them from moving the ball but becuase bledsoe threw 4 Int's.

 

[wierwolf]

Badda bing. Hitting the nail smack dead on the head.

Thye NFL is all about selling seats for the fans butts. Green is not doing that. With a brand new facility, I don't think the Cardinals can pass up the chance to get a glamorous coach. Green is not a pin up coach. Carroll would be a coaching disater but a PR possibility. I don't think Carroll will leave USC, but the Bidwells need to fish or cut bait with Green. Consider the quick change of pace in Cincinnatti, Chicago, Miami, with new coaches and look at Green. Maybe there is some envy in The Bidwill empire.

P.S. Green has a history of pissing off owners.

Those other teams already had a base of talent. Dennis green had to start from scratch.... Give him more time...

 

[Chainthroer]

No!! Stick with Green, for now. One more draft and we should be set for the playoffs. Two more drafts - better things! The only problems I have with Green is his loyalty to coaches. I mean we need better O-Line supervision and need to revamp strength and conditioning. Denny's going to have to put in a lot better win record next year - if not, I could see a change.
Carroll is not coming here anyway. At USC he's going to have the pick of talent for years to come. The only question could ge big, big money - doubt he'd get that here.

 

[chickenhead]

I loathe USC and I love the Cardinals, but for the life of me I can't understand why a coach would want to leave the former for the latter. --Unless he really feels that he needs to prove he can also be a top NFL coach. But even then, he can probably afford to patient and wait for the opportunity he wants.