Heroes and Goats: ARI@PHI

[kerouac9]

The last week, I thought I was living in a crazy house. The captive Cardinals media had been pushing a narrative that a “close win” against the 49ers could be a turning point in the season. No one mentioned that essentially the same thing happened two weeks before against the Colts. What did they take from that game into the matchup with Dallas?

This team is competent enough to win against bad teams and get smashed by good ones. The parity in the NFL is going to keep the Cards out of the Top 5 of this draft. The defense is too good to not offer a fighting chance in most games. Well on-pace for a 7-9 season that will leave us with the third-best offensive tackle, but potentially the best guard prospect.

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Patrick Peterson - The spectacular season that Peterson is having is gonna get lost because this team is so middling.

Corey Peters - The veteran defensive tackle has shown that he’s a core player and should get a new deal. Figuring out his value will be a challenge.

Jermaine Gresham - The tight end caught 100% of his targets and continued to provide great help to John Wetzel on the edge.

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Kerwynn Williams - Stop taking the ball out of the freaking end zone, Kerwynn. You are bad at your job.

Deone Bucannon - People who think that Bucannon is good may not be watching him play. He’s a poor tackler and liability in coverage. What discernable skills does he have aside from over-running the play faster than anyone else in the front-seven?

Carson Palmer - I’m so tired of hearing that Carson Palmer can be a good QB when he has time to throw. I can be a good QB if I have time to throw. Palmer is not leading a productive offense right now, and that’s the bottom line.

 

[DVontel]

Lol, I still don’t know why you think this team is good enough to reach 7-9.

 

[juza76]

I put in the hero list the users keep posting in the thread match during the game

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Deone Bucannon - People who think that Bucannon is good may not be watching him play. He’s a poor tackler and liability in coverage. What discernable skills does he have aside from over-running the play faster than anyone else in the front-seven?

Agreed.

Bucanon is a hype machine, he gets all the hype that Tyrann Mathieu gets without having the season and 1/2 that Mathieu did.

This team has to stop it already with these hybrid players. It was a lot of fun watching the undersized Budda Baker, get out run on his route, and then out muscled in the end when Baker was embarrassed by the Eagles receiver he was supposed to be tackling.

Good thing we didn't get Malik Hooker since our safeties are doing so well, or that we didn't get a cornerback prospect either since Bethel is going so well.

Wonder how Rasul Douglas graded out in comparison to Bethel ?

Ugh.....just UGH!

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Lol, I still don’t know why you think this team is good enough to reach 7-9.

+1.

I smell one of those old school Cardinals losing streaks of 5 to 9 games coming on.

 

[TheCardFan]

Totally disagree on 1 Hero and 1 Goat.

Jermaine Gresham - completely overrated and overpaid. Who barks on a 5 yard catch when your getting blown out? If blocking is his strength (maybe his best attribute but wouldn't consider it elite)... we are paying 7m/year for a trash-talking blocking TE.

Carson Palmer - Not sure how you can criticize the dude after the last few games. You have to consider the line he is playing behind, the terrible offensive play calling, the lack of a running game, and the receivers he is playing with right now.

Corey Peters - may be playing better but his production won't match what we would have to pay him. He is just not that good and will be 30 next year.

 

[82CardsGrad]

6 wins is the max for this season... There is no way Palmer finishes the season. As for the GOATS, I would add:

- Punt team... wow are they brutal.
- D-line... Yes, Peters is having a nice season. But that's it. We get ZERO push up the middle, thereby allowing opposing QB to drop a cozy blanket and enjoy a yummy picnic in the pocket. Jones has 5 sacks and no other player on the defense has more than 1. I think this will lead to a continued erosion in our defense, particularly our secondary and especially against above-average QB's and teams that possess a solid TE.

And really not sure how you can put Palmer in the GOAT category, when we have the league's worst o-line and rushing attack. Sure, if he were a mobile QB we might be able to expect a bit more from him. But we all know that that's not what we have in Carson. Palmer is showing an amazing degree of toughness this season, while never once being a Diva-QB and bitching out the o-line or the RB's .

 

[MrYeahBut]

Even average players could be made into some semblance of a cohesive unit. These guys are so out of sync it's laughable.

 

[kerouac9]

Lol, I still don’t know why you think this team is good enough to reach 7-9.

Because there are a lot of teams that are worse than us! We still have, IMO, a Top 8 or so defense; I don't think Philly found a cheat code for this D. Having a top defense places a floor on how bad you can be as a football team.

I think we beat the Bucs next week because Jameis loves to choke away wins.
I think we split with the Rams.
I think we sweet the 49ers because their home stadium is that abandoned dog track at I-10 and the 303.
I think we beat the Jags at home because Blake Bortles.
I think we beat the Titans at home because I don't believe in their offense.
I think we beat the Giants at home because their offense is even more toothless than ours.

Those are 6 games that should be close enough for us to win. If we actually win 4 of them, all we have to do is have a variance win against Seattle (x2), Houston, or Washington to get to 7-9.

 

[TheCardFan]

Biggest GOAT - All special teams (A-W)...start with Amos and ends with Williams.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Because there are a lot of teams that are worse than us! We still have, IMO, a Top 8 or so defense; I don't think Philly found a cheat code for this D. Having a top defense places a floor on how bad you can be as a football team.

I think we beat the Bucs next week because Jameis loves to choke away wins.
I think we split with the Rams.
I think we sweet the 49ers because their home stadium is that abandoned dog track at I-10 and the 303.
I think we beat the Jags at home because Blake Bortles.
I think we beat the Titans at home because I don't believe in their offense.
I think we beat the Giants at home because their offense is even more toothless than ours.

Those are 6 games that should be close enough for us to win. If we actually win 4 of them, all we have to do is have a variance win against Seattle (x2), Houston, or Washington to get to 7-9.

I see 5-11. I think we see a McGuinnessque run of getting our doors blown in every road game and prob pull out three more home games against a pretty weak schedule.

Which still wouldn't be great for the draft.

 

[kerouac9]

Totally disagree on 1 Hero and 1 Goat.

Jermaine Gresham - completely overrated and overpaid. Who barks on a 5 yard catch when your getting blown out? If blocking is his strength (maybe his best attribute but wouldn't consider it elite)... we are paying 7m/year for a trash-talking blocking TE.

Carson Palmer - Not sure how you can criticize the dude after the last few games. You have to consider the line he is playing behind, the terrible offensive play calling, the lack of a running game, and the receivers he is playing with right now.

Corey Peters - may be playing better but his production won't match what we would have to pay him. He is just not that good and will be 30 next year.

Cards were 4-14 on third downs and he was throwing dump-offs on 3rd and long with no chance to convert to increase his completion percentage.

 

[Mitch]

Cards were 4-14 on third downs and he was throwing dump-offs on 3rd and long with no chance to convert to increase his completion percentage.

So that makes Palmer a hero? I'm confused.

 

[Ohcrap75]

I don't understand how Kerwynn is still continuing to run the ball out of the end zone. Should be simple after Week 1... You do this again and you're benched. Are the coaches telling him to take it out? This drives me crazy!

 

[Russ Smith]

Yeah the punt cover team is a definite goat, they flipped the game in the first quarter, essentially twice.

I agree that the offense sucks but I don't agree that Palmer is the reason why. There's no talent there right now, the OL is terrible, CJ is still a solid veteran but he's lost the burst so there's no threat to take a run to the house right now. Our Te's are not receiving threats. At WR we have only 2 deep threats and neither is ever healthy.

Usually I can convince myself looking at a game that a few plays here or there will change the outcome. in that game even that is hard to do. For us the play where the handoff to JJ fooled them and save one guy making a great effort, JJ probably scores. And the play where we brought the house and they threw the long TD pass. Change those 2 plays and we still lose easily.

We just are not any good at all on offense right now. Palmer certainly has his flaws, but putting someone else in this offense right now we would be worse not better. Look at the TD pass yesterday, the only reason that play worked is that Palmer saw the blitz, I don't think he audibled I think he just changed the snap count to stop the blitzer from getting a running start, otherwise he's not going to have time to get that throw off.

Palmer's problem is he's 37 not 27 he's not the future of this franchise.

 

[Mitch]

In all fairness to you, K9, the heros in this game were slim and none and slim just left western PA.

The only ones i could reach for are LS Aaron Brewer who, as always, tried everything he could to make a tackle in punt coverage (and broke his hand doing so)...Andy Lee for booming most of his punts under huge duress...Xavier Williams for having another productive day in the DL rotation. I also thought Chandler Jones never quit and kept playing hard.

 

[Russ Smith]

I don't understand how Kerwynn is still continuing to run the ball out of the end zone. Should be simple after Week 1... You do this again and you're benched. Are the coaches telling him to take it out? This drives me crazy!

We complain about this EVERY year, no matter who is running them back. It's apparent to me that the Cards simply have chosen to believe they'd rather take the chance at a big runback, over just taking the ball at the 25. It never seems to work, I completely disagree with them, but I firmly believe Kerwynn is doing what he's being told to do

 

[Mitch]

Agreed on Kerwynn Williams...he's a straight-line runner with little wiggle. Has trouble sifting through traffic. They should try D.J. Foster.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

It's apparent to me that the Cards simply have chosen to believe they have a competent ST coordinator

FTFY

 

[MrYeahBut]

We complain about this EVERY year, no matter who is running them back. It's apparent to me that the Cards simply have chosen to believe they'd rather take the chance at a big runback, over just taking the ball at the 25. It never seems to work, I completely disagree with them, but I firmly believe Kerwynn is doing what he's being told to do

Then whoever is telling him to do it should be horse whipped.

 

[kerouac9]

I almost made John Brown a hero, but when I looked at my notes this morning, I couldn't remember why. He had 2 receptions on 7 targets. Then I remembered, and it speaks to why Carson is a goat, as well.

John Brown broke up two or three definite INTs from Palmer, including one ball Brown had to dash across the field to disrupt. Palmer's stats end up looking okay, but he's seeing ghosts out there.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

he's seeing ghosts out there.

LOL. So am I.

I saw the ghost of Carson Palmer, the ghost of Jared Veldheer, the ghost of the Honey Badger, the ghost of Karlos Dansby, the ghost of Chris Johnson, the ghost of John Brown, the ghost of Larry Fitzgerald, etc., etc.

 

[Jay Cardinal]

I think Carson Wentz did a superb job of reading the defense yesterday. Arguably better than I have ever seen Carson Palmer during his career. I am not sure how Palmer keeps a good attitude playing behind this line. I would be absolutely terrified, you don't even know where the next hit is coming from. Not sure I would put him on the Goat list -- the list should start with the 5 offensive lineman.

 

[DeAnna]

Patrick Peterson - The spectacular season that Peterson is having is gonna get lost because this team is so middling.

I'd be having a meltdown too. They are playing way too much zone, which is not even their strength. Is it because TM32 is still not 100%, or because of the new guys?

 

[Ohcrap75]

We complain about this EVERY year, no matter who is running them back. It's apparent to me that the Cards simply have chosen to believe they'd rather take the chance at a big runback, over just taking the ball at the 25. It never seems to work, I completely disagree with them, but I firmly believe Kerwynn is doing what he's being told to do

I think I agree because they obviously could put a stop to it and they don't. But it is completely insane, especially since they moved the TB to the 25 last year. I would totally understand if we had Cordarelle Patterson, because he has a reasonable chance to take it all the way. Kerwynn does not. Take the free 25 yds... Seems pretty simple!