Heroes and Goats: ARI@PHI

[RugbyMuffin]

Is it because TM32 is still not 100%, or because of the new guys?

Gotta be the new guys because this IS Mathieu at 100%, or at least what his 100% is today. It without a doubt sucks to say it, but the 2015 version of Mathieu is gone for good.

 

[Ohcrap75]

I almost made John Brown a hero, but when I looked at my notes this morning, I couldn't remember why. He had 2 receptions on 7 targets. Then I remembered, and it speaks to why Carson is a goat, as well.

John Brown broke up two or three definite INTs from Palmer, including one ball Brown had to dash across the field to disrupt. Palmer's stats end up looking okay, but he's seeing ghosts out there.

Pretty sad that the most valuable trait for our WR's right now might be their ability to break up passes.... Only somewhat sarcastic!

 

[Jetstream Green]

Thou shall put the whole OL on thee list before you can touchith Palmer

 

[Jetstream Green]

Gotta be the new guys because this IS Mathieu at 100%, or at least what his 100% is today. It without a doubt sucks to say it, but the 2015 version of Mathieu is gone for good.

The NFL is all about rushing back from injury because there is so much money at stake... but Mathieu can still not be considered recovered or 'healthy' in all reality from the surgery till probably next year, and why I get really ticked when coaches say, "he's way ahead of schedule"

 

[kerouac9]

The NFL is all about rushing back from injury because there is so much money at stake... but Mathieu can still not be considered recovered or 'healthy' in all reality from the surgery till probably next year, and why I get really ticked when coaches say, "he's way ahead of schedule"

His knee injury was over 18 months ago. What are you talking about?

 

[Jetstream Green]

His knee injury was over 18 months ago. What are you talking about?

I am talking about the injury and the 18 months, these knee surgeries really are more serious than it seems we now garner them though sports medicine has made enormous strides. Be it mental or the overall stiffness after the repair. Yes, I know there are exceptions to the rule and a lot of it is seen with superior athletes in relation to your average joe when recovering but I do not think HB is still fully recovered in my opinion. I hear from doctors that most gifted athletes can bounce back better than before, but what is the speed of elevation with the bounce haha... I think we will not really know till later in the season what we will have with Matheiu

 

[Finito]

Cards were 4-14 on third downs and he was throwing dump-offs on 3rd and long with no chance to convert to increase his completion percentage.

I highly doubt that was his plan.

 

[Russ Smith]

I almost made John Brown a hero, but when I looked at my notes this morning, I couldn't remember why. He had 2 receptions on 7 targets. Then I remembered, and it speaks to why Carson is a goat, as well.

John Brown broke up two or three definite INTs from Palmer, including one ball Brown had to dash across the field to disrupt. Palmer's stats end up looking okay, but he's seeing ghosts out there.

yeah Brown made a great play on that one but if you watch the replay Palmer despite having a lot of time to throw, had nobody open and when he let it go, he got hit and the ball fell short. I don't think he was seeing a ghost there I think the throw was short because he got hit.

I think when you get hit as much as Palmer is getting hit, you start to hurry. I was laughing yesterday when the announcer said Palmer made a terrible read on a play where he threw the ball short. I don't think Palmer is stupid I think he realizes the OL can't block long enough to let people get open downfield so he was taking the dumpoffs to give them more room to punt.

It sucks, it's boring as hell to watch, but I think they're trying to keep Palmer from getting knocked out.

We need to get a young QB, we all know that. But if we had a young QB in this offense with this OL, Wr's and current RB group, the young guy would look bad too.

 

[Jetstream Green]

yeah Brown made a great play on that one but if you watch the replay Palmer despite having a lot of time to throw, had nobody open and when he let it go, he got hit and the ball fell short. I don't think he was seeing a ghost there I think the throw was short because he got hit.

I think when you get hit as much as Palmer is getting hit, you start to hurry. I was laughing yesterday when the announcer said Palmer made a terrible read on a play where he threw the ball short. I don't think Palmer is stupid I think he realizes the OL can't block long enough to let people get open downfield so he was taking the dumpoffs to give them more room to punt.

It sucks, it's boring as hell to watch, but I think they're trying to keep Palmer from getting knocked out.

We need to get a young QB, we all know that. But if we had a young QB in this offense with this OL, Wr's and current RB group, the young guy would look bad too.

Or the young guy would have some success scrambling on broken plays. Teams would watch tape on his playground antics. Teams would adjust to a QB who then never took the time or had the time to learn to read a NFL defense and then would say this mobile young QB sucks

 

[RugbyMuffin]

His knee injury was over 18 months ago. What are you talking about?

+1.

I am as upset about the situation as the next, but reality is Mathieu is not fast enough for the NFL anymore. He is just an undersized depth guy at this point.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

+1.

I am as upset about the situation as the next, but reality is Mathieu is not fast enough for the NFL anymore. He is just an undersized depth guy at this point.

I disagree, he is plenty fast when put in a position that plays to his strengths. Bettcher is an idiot.

 

[NJCardFan]

Gresham might have caught all of his targets but he couldn't block my sister.

And where's the goat mention of the coaching staff? The clock management at the end of the 1st half was abysmal especially considering we had all 3 timeouts to work with after the INT. And sometimes I think we're tanking the season. The 2 wins we tried our level best to lose and in the 3 losses, we had a chance to grab momentum and refused to do so.

 

[Phrazbit]

I wish I'd made a note of the exact play, but there was a play where Palmer had quite a bit of time to throw, long developing play. He steps up into the pocket... hesitates, hesitates, finally throws up field and hits one of the Eagles secondary players in hands with the ball (he dropped it), missing the nearest Cardinal by a good 10 yards.

There are several plays every game where Palmer gets his pass off and the result is absolutely baffling. There was one early in the Niner game where I was legitimately wondering if Palmer thought we were wearing our white jerseys.

He can pull off some magic here and there and the line isn't helping him at all, they suck, but Palmer is not immune from criticism, outside of a couple 4th quarters he has been pretty freaking terrible.

 

[cardncubfan]

Keim on Famous Amos.

— Keim was asked about special teams coach Amos Jones, and what goes on behind the scenes that make the Cardinals know Jones is the right coach.

“I think there are always things that people don’t see,” Keim said. “… More than anything, me or coach (Bruce Arians) or Michael (Bidwill) knowing that, the type of things that need to be taught are being taught. It’s whether the players are correcting those issues or not. We tried to really improve football I.Q. with our players, because that’s one of the issues we’ve had in the past. Once I think we get some of that stuff cleaned up and guys can play a little bit smarter, I think you’ll start to see some improvement.

“Again, week after week, the same mistakes keep happening. Quite frankly, if anything, we need to continue to rotate players in and out of here and find players who can help us. If a guy continually makes the same mistakes and isn’t going to fix it, we’ll go ahead and make a decision and look at ready list and bring in some guys and make some changes.”

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2017/10/09/keim-cardinals-need-chip-back-on-shoulder/

 

[juza76]

Keim statement is a joke

 

[schutd]

Keim statement is a joke

Agreed. Unfortunately, reporters dont ask the hard follow ups and hold his feet to the fire. "Understood, but what is your take when jettisoned players are now succeeding around the league, and we continue to have the lowest ranked "special" teams in the league? Surely theres a constant in here that needs to be addressed???"

 

[wit3card]

Keim on Famous Amos.

— Keim was asked about special teams coach Amos Jones, and what goes on behind the scenes that make the Cardinals know Jones is the right coach.

“I think there are always things that people don’t see,” Keim said. “… More than anything, me or coach (Bruce Arians) or Michael (Bidwill) knowing that, the type of things that need to be taught are being taught. It’s whether the players are correcting those issues or not. We tried to really improve football I.Q. with our players, because that’s one of the issues we’ve had in the past. Once I think we get some of that stuff cleaned up and guys can play a little bit smarter, I think you’ll start to see some improvement.

“Again, week after week, the same mistakes keep happening. Quite frankly, if anything, we need to continue to rotate players in and out of here and find players who can help us. If a guy continually makes the same mistakes and isn’t going to fix it, we’ll go ahead and make a decision and look at ready list and bring in some guys and make some changes.”

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2017/10/09/keim-cardinals-need-chip-back-on-shoulder/

Keim might be "saving" face of BA or he is into BAs storytelling. But either way, if you save BA, you can't throw the players under the bus, that is what he did there, and that will cost him on any contract, with his "low IQ guys" ...

If you can't say anything, don't say anything, but never, throw someone under the bus, that isn't at fault, that will haunt you.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Keim on Famous Amos.

— Keim was asked about special teams coach Amos Jones, and what goes on behind the scenes that make the Cardinals know Jones is the right coach.

“I think there are always things that people don’t see,” Keim said. “… More than anything, me or coach (Bruce Arians) or Michael (Bidwill) knowing that, the type of things that need to be taught are being taught. It’s whether the players are correcting those issues or not. We tried to really improve football I.Q. with our players, because that’s one of the issues we’ve had in the past. Once I think we get some of that stuff cleaned up and guys can play a little bit smarter, I think you’ll start to see some improvement.

“Again, week after week, the same mistakes keep happening. Quite frankly, if anything, we need to continue to rotate players in and out of here and find players who can help us. If a guy continually makes the same mistakes and isn’t going to fix it, we’ll go ahead and make a decision and look at ready list and bring in some guys and make some changes.”

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2017/10/09/keim-cardinals-need-chip-back-on-shoulder/

Again laughable. He is clearly not reaching his players no matter his knowledge. A good coach is a communicator and with this ongoing revolving door of players which you do not seem to comprehend his tutelage on game day, then he is a problem... who gives a damn what anyone thinks other than the players and the evidence

 

[kerouac9]

It would make more sense to cut Brandon Williams, who gave up outside contain on that big punt return, than fire Amos Jones. I get that, ultimately, the coach is responsible for the design of the special teams, but let's be real: the talent on this roster is bad.

Maybe you bring in some help for Jones next year, but what's really going to make the difference? Would firing Jones make you feel better if the special teams doesn't improve anyway?

 

[Ohcrap75]

It's either the coaching or the talent. If this isn't on Amos, then it's on Keim. I would blame both after multiple seasons of terrible ST's play.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The NFL is all about rushing back from injury because there is so much money at stake... but Mathieu can still not be considered recovered or 'healthy' in all reality from the surgery till probably next year, and why I get really ticked when coaches say, "he's way ahead of schedule"

no. This is ridiculous. He had that surgery almost TWO YEARS AGO. I get giving him a pass last season, but at this point, it's more than unfortunately likely, he is what he is... a shell of his former self.

If this team depends on Badger AGAIN next year under the auspice that "he'll be totally healed" they're idiots.

 

[Jetstream Green]

no. This is ridiculous. He had that surgery almost TWO YEARS AGO. I get giving him a pass last season, but at this point, it's more than unfortunately likely, he is what he is... a shell of his former self.

If this team depends on Badger AGAIN next year under the auspice that "he'll be totally healed" they're idiots.

Then by this view, he is either a waste of his contract now or Bettcher sucks rocks... but it not ridiculous as much as everyone is different. obviously he is no Adrian Peterson or Jaron Brown considering the injury

 

[b8rtm8nn]

It would make more sense to cut Brandon Williams, who gave up outside contain on that big punt return, than fire Amos Jones. I get that, ultimately, the coach is responsible for the design of the special teams, but let's be real: the talent on this roster is bad.

Maybe you bring in some help for Jones next year, but what's really going to make the difference? Would firing Jones make you feel better if the special teams doesn't improve anyway?

The roster hasn't been so bad since 2013 that changing the ST coach ISN'T a bad idea.

 

[Jetstream Green]

It would make more sense to cut Brandon Williams, who gave up outside contain on that big punt return, than fire Amos Jones. I get that, ultimately, the coach is responsible for the design of the special teams, but let's be real: the talent on this roster is bad.

Maybe you bring in some help for Jones next year, but what's really going to make the difference? Would firing Jones make you feel better if the special teams doesn't improve anyway?

This does not add up since Amos has been putrid every single freaking season on the job

 

[kerouac9]

This does not add up since Amos has been putrid every single freaking season on the job

Yes. The Cards have been no better than 18th in special teams DVOA since Jones has been here. That is bad.