Indiana Hoosier
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Hey, What's New On Foote-Porter?
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Garthshort
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IMO, it's a staredown, and we're waiting to see who will blink first.
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Michael Lombardi said on NFL Access that Porter is simply asking for more than anyone is willing to pay.
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I would like to sign both but I think Foote is more important as he is younger than Porter ( 30 vs 33 yrs of age this season) and would fill Dansby's spot which is really very critical. Hopefully we will have some positive news this weekend.
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He said $6.5 million......until he drops his demands, nobody's going to sign him.
I think the Cards could do it for $4.5 million.
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My thought: 2 years at $4M per, plus $2M bonus upfront.
Takes home 6M in first year.
Mitch
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As in $6M this year and $4M in 2010? I think that is about as perfect as a Sidney Crosby give and go for the Gold.
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Hey, What's New On Foote-Porter?
Hey nothing.
And trying to scope out who offered what and who wants what is pretty futile.
I wouldn't invest a lot of emotional energy on either one of these guys. Either we'll wind up with either of them or we Won't. We'll know when they tell us. Meanwhile, all we'll get right now is a lot of smoke.
(Note - Even Lombardi - who's pretty knowledgeable and connected - makes his money offering insight and speculation about what's going on behind the scenes. He's got to put something on the air - which means he's not always going to be right. Usually but not always).
Hey nothing.
And trying to scope out who offered what and who wants what is pretty futile.
I wouldn't invest a lot of emotional energy on either one of these guys. Either we'll wind up with either of them or we Won't. We'll know when they tell us. Meanwhile, all we'll get right now is a lot of smoke.
(Note - Even Lombardi - who's pretty knowledgeable and connected - makes his money offering insight and speculation about what's going on behind the scenes. He's got to put something on the air - which means he's not always going to be right. Usually but not always).
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Yup!
BigDavis75
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Foote could not fill Dansby's spot. The WILB is a cover guy, Foote is a SILB, which is the same spot Hayes plays right now. He would provide good competition and depth in that spot.
I'm not a Foote fan though, I watched a ton of his games in Pitt and nearly every year he was the weak link on that defense who favored from playing with guys like Farrior, Haggans, and Porter when they were in their primes.
Maybe the FO is looking at Andra Davis? (sp)
Does he play WILB or SILB?
Does he play WILB or SILB?
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If Foote is a SILB then why did he play WILB while with Pitt or why is he being looked at to play WILB for the Redskins?
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Without a doubt a SILB. Davis hasn't had anything for 3 years now. Benched 3 times with the Broncos last year.
BigDavis75
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First of all, how similar is Pitt's scheme to ours? We seem to place a lot more emphasis on WILB/SILB divide then they do and I can't seen Farrior as the SILB when Foote was there. Farrior is superior in coverage and there is almost no difference in their sizes. I also felt that Foote was a bit better than Farrior at taking on blocks.
Unless you are just trying to be argumentative, we both know it doesn't make sense to employ Foote as a WILB here because the coverage out of our ILBs would be unbelievably bad.
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Like most everyone else I am really anxious to see how this plays out. I agree these are far from the same old Cardinals but the cupboard is bare at LB.
We have a possibly healthy Hayes inside and that is it. Beisel, Highsmith and Walker should not be thought of as starters and I don't believe that they are.
On the outside expecting alot from Brown who is not much more than a rookie and coming off injury is a mistake. Davis did some good things but again is not someone I would be confident to start right now. After this we have the draft and more inexperience. Clark Haggans is average in my opinion but I do like him and hope he can help convince his buddies to sign.
We really need to give these young players more time to develop and prove they can be relied upon. Especially on the outside where it seems to take a while to develop the pass rushing skill at the NFL level.
Porter and Foote seem to be perfect for us to transition to the young guys. I hope we do get them signed. If our D is worse than last year we don't win the NFC West in my opinion.
We have a possibly healthy Hayes inside and that is it. Beisel, Highsmith and Walker should not be thought of as starters and I don't believe that they are.
On the outside expecting alot from Brown who is not much more than a rookie and coming off injury is a mistake. Davis did some good things but again is not someone I would be confident to start right now. After this we have the draft and more inexperience. Clark Haggans is average in my opinion but I do like him and hope he can help convince his buddies to sign.
We really need to give these young players more time to develop and prove they can be relied upon. Especially on the outside where it seems to take a while to develop the pass rushing skill at the NFL level.
Porter and Foote seem to be perfect for us to transition to the young guys. I hope we do get them signed. If our D is worse than last year we don't win the NFC West in my opinion.
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BigDavis75
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I think that's one of the major problems with Porter, I don't think he sees himself as a transition guy. I believe he wants to be an every down player and doesn't want to teach the younger guys or give up significant playing time as the season progresses.
You are probably correct.
His (Foote) résumé includes 110 games, and 83 starts, including two Super Bowl victories. Foote has played in all 16 games for six straight seasons and started all 16 contests each of the past five years. The former University of Michigan standout is considered a strong player against the run but usually left the field in nickel situations. espn.com
But are we going to see a change in the defense in an effort to shore up a run defense that went from very good to terrible midway through last season?
BigDavis75
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Yeah, IIRC Farrior played every down and they sometimes they put Joey and Haggans at defensive end.
This brings up another question I have about our 3-4 compared to the Steelers.
Our DE's combined for 18 sacks last season. The Steelers guys had 5.
I had read on ASFN in talking about CCampbell that if he had 8 sacks he'd be the greatest 3-4 DE in the league because 3-4 Defensive Ends aren't in a position to get a lot of sacks.
So why did our guys have so many?
MoeIsBetter
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Because our OLB were so terrible last year a lot of our DE sacks came because we would blitz a guy on CC inside shoulder which gives CC more of a 1 vs 1. Add the fact that DD see's the majority of double teams and CC should be the guy that gets back to the QB.
Sounds plausible but it doesn't really explain how Dockett also got 7 sacks and Iwebema and Branch 2 each.
MoeIsBetter
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Dockett is just a monster. I even remember some coach (Childress?) say Dockett was the best player they played against all year. And the same can be said about Branch and Iwebema. If they are getting 1 on 1 they showed the skillset to get out of it and get to the QB. It also could be which way our NT is pulling, where the blitz is coming from that frees up either player.
The one thing that isn't being talked about is how much better DD is going to be when he's getting more 1 on 1's because teams will have to account for our OLB (where if we add Joey Porter could be our deepest unit). The more and more we look at it, the less likely I think the idea is of drafting an OLB high (again, if we add Joey Porter), or possibly at all. I see NT (2 probably), ILB depth, CB depth, QB depth (even if Matt is the future we need insurance), FB, and TE all being more positions we need depth or an upgrade more than we will need another OLB.
BigDavis75
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If you are comparing us to the Steelers, we just have much better pass-rushers at the DE position. Aaron Smith was hurt last year and the guys that had at DE were just run-stuffers. Our guys can play all three downs and do well as pass-rushers as well. I really do think we have one of the top groups of DEs in the league, if not the best.
