Hey, What's New On Foote-Porter?

[Mulli]

Sounds plausible but it doesn't really explain how Dockett also got 7 sacks and Iwebema and Branch 2 each.

Weak division?

 

[BigDavis75]

Also, CC is an extremely gifted pass rusher, he is a going to be a lot better than Dockett (who seems to only be able to bull-rush) in that respect. The amount of moves he has already and how he approaches double teams is astounding for how young he is. I believe he is the most underrated player on our squad.

 

[Shane]

I believe he is the most underrated player on our squad.

I dont believe he is underrated at all. In fact if it wasn't for a lack of wrapping up he would have had 11 sacks last year easily. He was starting to garner double teams from other teams after about week 6 of the season. In fact I would be willing to bet that from about week 8 on he was seeing about as many double teams as Dockett. Add in to that his batted balls and his blocked FG's and he is a DL star IMO.

 

[joeshmo]

First of all, how similar is Pitt's scheme to ours? We seem to place a lot more emphasis on WILB/SILB divide then they do and I can't seen Farrior as the SILB when Foote was there.

First Pitt without a doubt has a clear divide between their WILB and SILB. Just look at it right now Timmons and Farrior have clear separate roles, and those roles didn't change once Foote left, it has always been that way. Each LB has clear roles in Lebeau's system, OLB's maybe not with the inside guys without a doubt do and always have.

Farrior is superior in coverage and there is almost no difference in their sizes. I also felt that Foote was a bit better than Farrior at taking on blocks.

Farrior is also not far superior in coverage. Last year in Pitt Foote allowed a 89 QB rating, Farrior allowed a 106 rating.

Unless you are just trying to be argumentative, we both know it doesn't make sense to employ Foote as a WILB here because the coverage out of our ILBs would be unbelievably bad.

Foote pass coverage ability > Highsmith,Walker,Rookie pass coverage ability. That is all I need to know. Just looking at the best option out there.

Additional who is to say Foote wont come out in nickel situations here in AZ. Who is to say a rookie wont be that guy, or another guy, who is to say we aren't looking for a platoon of LB's?

 

[joeshmo]

His (Foote) résumé includes 110 games, and 83 starts, including two Super Bowl victories. Foote has played in all 16 games for six straight seasons and started all 16 contests each of the past five years. The former University of Michigan standout is considered a strong player against the run but usually left the field in nickel situations. espn.com

Foote didnt leave on nickel downs until Timmons came in, who is a far superior coverage guy that is for sure, even as a rookie.

But once again who has the best coverage ability Foote or the only other WILB on the roster in Highsmith?

 

[joeshmo]

If you are comparing us to the Steelers, we just have much better pass-rushers at the DE position. Aaron Smith was hurt last year and the guys that had at DE were just run-stuffers. Our guys can play all three downs and do well as pass-rushers as well. I really do think we have one of the top groups of DEs in the league, if not the best.

Without a doubt we do, and look how young they are on top of it. Campbell will only get better. Very versatile both of them are (yes I know it sounds like Yoda).

 

[BigDavis75]

I dont believe he is underrated at all. In fact if it wasn't for a lack of wrapping up he would have had 11 sacks last year easily. He was starting to garner double teams from other teams after about week 6 of the season. In fact I would be willing to bet that from about week 8 on he was seeing about as many double teams as Dockett. Add in to that his batted balls and his blocked FG's and he is a DL star IMO.

I meant as fans some underrate him. I feel like Dockett gets a ton of love when CC is better in several aspects of the game and he is still learning every game. I think he was the biggest loss to our defense at the end of the season. I really love CC's game and am so glad we have the dude. I agree with everything you said BTW, just pointing out that I wasn't talking about other coaches, just my perception of how the fanbase in general sees him.

 

[BigRedArk]

I meant as fans some underrate him. I feel like Dockett gets a ton of love when CC is better in several aspects of the game and he is still learning every game. I think he was the biggest loss to our defense at the end of the season. I really love CC's game and am so glad we have the dude. I agree with everything you said BTW, just pointing out that I wasn't talking about other coaches, just my perception of how the fanbase in general sees him.

Ok I confess. I missed it. Did CC get hurt at the end of the season last year? If so how?

 

[Shane]

Ok I confess. I missed it. Did CC get hurt at the end of the season last year? If so how?

He broke his hand and was limited in the playoffs and when he did play with cast on he wasn't the same.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Ok I confess. I missed it. Did CC get hurt at the end of the season last year? If so how?

He was playing with one hand.

 

[BigRedArk]

He broke his hand and was limited in the playoffs and when he did play with cast on he wasn't the same.

Ok thanks Shane and CC. I totally forgot that.

 

[AZCardsWin]

While free agent LB Joey Porter ponders his options, what stops us from recruiting him:

http://www.joeyporter.com/

Go Cardinals/ Sign #55!!!
~Tim in NJ

 

[Chopper0080]

This brings up another question I have about our 3-4 compared to the Steelers.

Our DE's combined for 18 sacks last season. The Steelers guys had 5.

I had read on ASFN in talking about CCampbell that if he had 8 sacks he'd be the greatest 3-4 DE in the league because 3-4 Defensive Ends aren't in a position to get a lot of sacks.

So why did our guys have so many?

This one is kinda easy to answer, and it actually is indicative to how Whiz seems to coach. Because we have transitioned to a 3-4 from a 4-3 normally you would have to transition your DE position from penetrators to space eaters. This is because you want your linebackers to be able to run free in pursuit and shoot gaps to get stops behind the LOS. Normally this isn't an issue, because not many 4-3 DT's are impact pass rushers.

However, Whiz realized, like he did with our offense, that the best players that we had on our roster were not really fit for this type of scheme. So, instead on asking Dockett to change his game, he told Dockett to keep shooting his gaps and provide penetration, while also drafting another penetrating DE to complement Dockett. The only side effect of this is that our inside linebackers have to maneuver around more traffic which is why our cutback pursuit is sometimes very poor, and gives up big running plays.

The funny part is that Kenny Iwebema and Alan Branch fit more into the traditional 3-4 DE role, as does Nick Eason who the Cardinals are bringing in to look at. It would appear that as we substitute players in for Dockett & Campbell, we will also be giving our ILB's more protection and allowing them to flow more. I would look for Dockett and Campbell to get most of their blows on defense this year when we are running our base 3-4, that way they are fresh when we go to our nickel packages.

 

[Chopper0080]

The other thing that helps Dockett and Campbell is that in a 3-4, DE's are usually lined up in the gaps to help them engage multiple linemen. This alignment puts Dockett and Campbell right over the gap that they are generally shooting, making them very difficult to block. If we end up getting better play from our NT, and ILB'ers we should have a pretty solid base unit.

Truthfully, I am more worried about our nickel package than our base 3-4. This is where we will miss Dansby the most, and where we have the least depth.

 

[Duckjake]

Foote didnt leave on nickel downs until Timmons came in, who is a far superior coverage guy that is for sure, even as a rookie.

But once again who has the best coverage ability Foote or the only other WILB on the roster in Highsmith?

Source?

 

[Crazy Canuck]

This one is kinda easy to answer, and it actually is indicative to how Whiz seems to coach. Because we have transitioned to a 3-4 from a 4-3 normally you would have to transition your DE position from penetrators to space eaters. This is because you want your linebackers to be able to run free in pursuit and shoot gaps to get stops behind the LOS. Normally this isn't an issue, because not many 4-3 DT's are impact pass rushers.

However, Whiz realized, like he did with our offense, that the best players that we had on our roster were not really fit for this type of scheme. So, instead on asking Dockett to change his game, he told Dockett to keep shooting his gaps and provide penetration, while also drafting another penetrating DE to complement Dockett. The only side effect of this is that our inside linebackers have to maneuver around more traffic which is why our cutback pursuit is sometimes very poor, and gives up big running plays.

The funny part is that Kenny Iwebema and Alan Branch fit more into the traditional 3-4 DE role, as does Nick Eason who the Cardinals are bringing in to look at. It would appear that as we substitute players in for Dockett & Campbell, we will also be giving our ILB's more protection and allowing them to flow more. I would look for Dockett and Campbell to get most of their blows on defense this year when we are running our base 3-4, that way they are fresh when we go to our nickel packages.

In agreement but would substitute DAVIS for WHIZ... he's the 3-4 "D" expert not our head coach.

 

[TheHopToad]

Looks like Foote is going back to the Steelers...

http://twitter.com/TerryFoster971/status/10489284305

 

[Shogun]

We lost out on Foote.

Larry Foote is expected to sign a deal with the Pittsburgh Steelers on Monday

http://twitter.com/TerryFoster971/status/10489284305

 

[40yearfan]

Steelers | Foote set to rejoin team
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Sun, 14 Mar 2010 16:52:27 -0700

Terry Foster, of The Detroit News, reports free-agent LB Larry Foote (Lions) is set to rejoin the Pittsburgh Steelers. Foote flew to Pittsburgh in hopes of finalizing a three-year contract.



Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL#ixzz0iCaAV2t2

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

WTF GRAVES!!!!??? BaSH TIME BEGINS IN 3...2...1

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

sERIOUSLY, I AM FREAKING PISSED RIGHT NOW; HENCE THE CAPS...WTH!>

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

He Said He Wants To Be A Cardinal, Are The Steelers Seriously Going To Pay Him More?

 

[Stout]

I'll wait to get upset until this is a done deal. If the deal does get done with the Steelers, then I have to fault the FO immensely. We can't manage to sign the player that wants to sign with us, who signs elsewhere to be a backup instead of a starter with us? That would not be a good thing.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

 

[imaCafan]

Maybe Foote was trying to us the Cards to get a little more $$$$$ out of Pitt???? Doubt it, but it wouldn't be the first time.......