Hightower set the tone...just like in the Colts game

[dreamcastrocks]

1st qtr fumbles are no more disastrous than 2nd 3rd and 4th qtr fumbles. They all blow equally!

Statistically yes. Although, not when you consider the timing and the momentum aspects of a fumble or any turnover for that matter.

 

[Early]

Statistically yes. Although, not when you consider the timing and the momentum aspects of a fumble or any turnover for that matter.

Beanies fumble was the biggest momentum changer ever. We have turned the game completely arround and are going down to score and tie the game. If we do, i dont see SF being able to change the momentum and win the game. The whole momentum is in our favour before that

It was just as bad as Hightowers fumble that gave SF a 7 point lead early in the game

 

[nashman]

Early

Beainie isnt the best back, Timmy is. He is perhaps the best blocking/recieving back in the whole league. Combine his superb blocking skills that make our 4 WR sets work so well with his recieving that rescue us when there is nothing down the field, yes he is as good as it gets. Beanie isnt even close in that cetegory

Pretty much stopped ready after this ridiculous statement! If you thing TH is one of the best backs in the league.... well nothing much to say to you.

 

[D-Dogg]

They are both good backs. To maximize both of their abilities the best, Beanie should get the 1st and 2nd down carries, and TH should be the 3rd down back. I think having them both in a solid role will help them perform even better. One of the things I've noticed is that TH has had some ENORMOUS holes to run through, just huge. Shane brings up the long plays that he has, and if you look at them those are probably the biggest holes we've seen all season...maybe decade. BW doesn't see those holes. Reason being, IMO, is that with TH in you have the run/pass mentality and the defense can't key on TH, and he makes them pay. When we bring BW in, teams game the run and focus on that. If BW is in for most 1 and 2 downs, teams will have to back off more. You saw a bit of this with him getting the bulk of the carries against SF last night, with better holes and a 5 ypc against a VERY stout running defense.

TH is great with the ball on the catch, and is great...yes great at blitz pickup. He gives 3rd down lots of options, and BW on 1st and 2nd gets better looks at defenses who don't think "here's beanie, they're running." I feel that is where we are going, and it's damn close to happening.

These two backs are good, tough and talented. I prefer BW, but I respect the hell out f TH and his work ethic. I love the combo.

Both of those fumbles were on solid licks, and fumbles happen. I can't fault either of them on those two. They sucked, sure, but good defensive plays on both.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Beanies fumble was the biggest momentum changer ever. We have turned the game completely arround and are going down to score and tie the game. If we do, i dont see SF being able to change the momentum and win the game. The whole momentum is in our favour before that

It was just as bad as Hightowers fumble that gave SF a 7 point lead early in the game

I'm not arguing for or against any particular fumble. I'm just stating that I feel not all fumbles are created equally.

If I were to though, fumbling the ball on the 7 yard line is damn bad though and put is in a deep deep hole.

As I have already stated, I think the defense (although they played good considering the circumstances) set the tone with the 3 offsides penalties on the first drive.

 

[nashman]

Well said Donald!

 

[Proteus]

Beainie isnt the best back, Timmy is. He is perhaps the best blocking/recieving back in the whole league. Combine his superb blocking skills that make our 4 WR sets work so well with his recieving that rescue us when there is nothing down the field, yes he is as good as it gets. Beanie isnt even close in that cetegory

In this scheme, the above is what matters just as much as running with the ball

When we talk about running, he was by far the best one against Vikings. This game we didnt see him in that role because of the fumble. Beanie has been running really good, there is no doubt about that as well

You dont bench Kurt Warner because of one bad game, the same as you dont bench Peyton Manning due to one bad game

Hightower's skills are nothing short of superb for our scheme and he has been outstanding. And no, you dont bench him because of 4 fumbles

Fumble problems for backs can be solve relatively easy by the way, there are lots of great examples on that. Learning to block THAT good and recieving that good, does not get learned by most backs in their entire NFL career

Tim Hightower is an amazing back and just the type of back that needs to start for this offense. Beanie is just the type of back that needs to come in anc change the pace when we are in front and need to pound the ball.

Everything is as it should be. There is no need to change anything besides our RB coach working on ball protection with all our backs. beanie, hightower AND LSH . They have all fumbled once in last game, and all three fumbles were crucial for the game. First two for getting SF the lead. The last for not getting us back in the game and win it.

So we basically used a 1st round draft pick for a backup, change of pace back? Seems kind of like a waste of a pick then which we could have used in an area of need like pass rusher.

 

[Early]

Early



Pretty much stopped ready after this ridiculous statement! If you thing TH is one of the best backs in the league.... well nothing much to say to you.

For this scheme, yes he is one of the best. I dont think anyone blocks that well as he does right now and of those that can block in NFL, few can catch it that well as he can. Combination of those two things, and his running, yes its hard to beat

He has been great running the ball as well, his stats are better than Beaines... So even not looking on recieving and blocking, he is still just as good back.. Has made some huge plays for us, has improved alot from last year. Our O-Line has improved the most and that's why we even can run the ball

What people love about Beanie is his physical measures and he looks mean when running the ball. But the end result is that Timmy runs it just as well, he just doesnt look so mean with the ball. If Beanie made that run against Vikings to bounce outside people would talk much about it. Or those + 30 yard runs Timmy has made and that Beanie has not. In addition he just blocks as good as it gets and recieves very well. His skills fo recognizing dump off lanes and timing it with KW is nothing short of amazing. He is in great chemistry with our passing offense.

i cant even tell how many plays our offense has made due to his blocking, and how many plays he has saved and how many chains he has moved with his recieving.

A fumble problem can be saved in one week of carefull practice... Its the skills that is the easiest to teach

 

[D-Dogg]

Beanies fumble was the biggest momentum changer ever. We have turned the game completely arround and are going down to score and tie the game.

We were on our 11 yard line, not theirs. Save the hyperbole of us going down to score and tie the game (you assume we got the 2 pt conversion as well?) because we weren't in sync all night. We had one good drive the time before that...that doesn't mean we were going to go score again. We might have, but more likely we'd have been punting, throwing a pick or fumbling...ooh, the third one!

Though I'm glad to know I witnessed the biggest momentum changer, ever.

 

[Early]

So we basically used a 1st round draft pick for a backup, change of pace back? Seems kind of like a waste of a pick then which we could have used in an area of need like pass rusher.

I do not agree on that. Teams now a days need 2 good RB's. He has been running the ball well despite so many fumbles and plays where he was totally out of timing with the offense and KW

Maybe some picks would have been even better, like a freak passrusher, sure, but i do think that BW was a good pick, he has shown that so far. He certainly aint no bust just because he wont start for this team

What makes our offense is our passing game and TH makes all that work even better with his skills, and given that we pass so much, TH should always get alot of time in there, especially early in the game where we need to be able to both run and protect Warner an get the lead.

However good backs are easely found all over the draft and passrushers are not. So i do agree to some degree anyway. But again we chose to go passrusher in round 2 ... Its just about chosing the right guys, not so much the rounds they need to be selected in

If Cody Brown is the next big thing as pasrusher, who cares wheter he is round 1, 2 or 7th pick...Then Beanie Wells pick would look even better

 

[Early]

We were on our 11 yard line, not theirs. Save the hyperbole of us going down to score and tie the game (you assume we got the 2 pt conversion as well?) because we weren't in sync all night. We had one good drive the time before that...that doesn't mean we were going to go score again. We might have, but more likely we'd have been punting, throwing a pick or fumbling...ooh, the third one!

Though I'm glad to know I witnessed the biggest momentum changer, ever.

It was a huge momentunm change... Our defense had just taken the INT and started dominated their offense. ,everything started to turn arround.. At that point before the fumble i tought we had a good chance to win this game. No way that SF defense would hold our offense down the whole game, nobody has been able to do that for an entire game and there is a very good chance we would get a drive going.

Doesnt matter if it was 8 point game. Even if we miss the 2 point conversion, the things look in our favour again... The momentum would be ours.. Alex Smith would be in a horrible situation with blowing up a huge lead with his mistake and 2 points behind. A FG wins us the game ... I cant see the huge difference here

Offcourse there is maybe there. There is alot of maybe in TH fumble as well. 7 points early in the game is alot of easier to adjust for than blowing a one scoring lead late in the game to making it a two score game

Those two situations cant even be compared. We had a chance to win the game, with BW fumble, we had no chance at all.

 

[Proteus]

Hmmm...so how many teams besides the Cards would start Hightower ahead of Wells?

 

[Shane]

Hmmm...so how many teams besides the Cards would start Hightower ahead of Wells?

If they had our personnel? and offense? I would say probably more than you think. You say as though Wells is outperforming Timmy. He isnt.

 

[Shane]

So we basically used a 1st round draft pick for a backup, change of pace back? Seems kind of like a waste of a pick then which we could have used in an area of need like pass rusher.

Negative. Many teams use a two headed monster. That's like saying it was a mistake for the Panthers to draft Stewart.

 

[nashman]

^zero, Zilch, None!

 

[Crazy Canuck]

yup, just like the vikings game that we won.

.... and the Giants game, that we won.