Holes Everywhere

[ThunderCard]

This team has so many damn holes to fill it is sick. Even if we get some good free agents ( which probably won't happen ) we will not be anywhere close to a winning season next year either. I am starting to take a look at what is salvagable for next season on D and Offense

Lets start with the Offense and work the way down the line
Keepers

L.J. Shelton LT
Pete Kendall C
Cameron Spikes G
Leonard Davis G
Marcel Shipp RB
Anquan Boldin WR
Freddie Jones TE

Jeff Blake a decent back up, but not worth starter position. Hopefully he could work with ELI for two years

Needs are RT, QB, 1-2 Vet WR's

Defense
Levar Fisher LB
Ronald McKinnon MLB
Ray Thompson LB
Dexter Jackson S

Needs are a lot on Defense as we need two good corners, Run stuffing FAT DT, and a rushing DE. We should keep Adrian Wilson to see if he improves with a better coach.

Plus we also need a new coach that is going to come in and get our former #1 picks going along with whoever we pick this April. I just don't think Fassel is the guy. I want to see a big name coach, however want absolutly no relics from the Tobin era.

Looking at it I think Graves will not complete all the tasks in hand correctly

 

[ThunderCard]

I am hoping Emmitt retires and lets us use the extra 4 million next year. Also they should cut Starks and use the money on a number 1 corner.

 

[HeavyB3]

Fassel was the only thing good to come out of the tobin era. But I admit that we should have someone with a brand new fresh perspective on the Cardinals. I've never worked for them before, maybe they should hire me. Read my post.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Originally posted by ThunderCard
I am hoping Emmitt retires and lets us use the extra 4 million next year. Also they should cut Starks and use the money on a number 1 corner.

The jury is still out on Starks. He has yet to be healthy!

 

[ThunderCard]

Originally posted by RugbyMuffin
The jury is still out on Starks. He has yet to be healthy!

I think that is why we should cut him. I really don't think he is a number 1 corner. I like Barrett, but doubt he stays/

 

[Renz]

Originally posted by ThunderCard

Originally posted by RugbyMuffin
The jury is still out on Starks. He has yet to be healthy!

I think that is why we should cut him. I really don't think he is a number 1 corner. I like Barrett, but doubt he stays/

If Barrett still wants #1 CB money he is fooling himself, or getting some really bad advice. He makes two bad plays for every good one.

 

[ajcardfan]

Originally posted by ThunderCard

Originally posted by RugbyMuffin
The jury is still out on Starks. He has yet to be healthy!

I think that is why we should cut him. I really don't think he is a number 1 corner. I like Barrett, but doubt he stays/

They'll gain no money by cutting Starks next year. If anything, they may take a little hit if they cut him. Since he went on IR before the season, he still has four years left on his deal.

According to Jurecki, we'll have 10mil to spend at the start of the offseason. I hope the new regime has a good eye for veteran talent. I couldn't help noticing that McGinest, Poole and Ward all made big plays for the Pats today and we turned our noses up at all of them. I think that's the best way to get competitive quickly, find some midlevel vets who are better than what we have. This staff has seemed to be overly stuck on our UDFA's and late round draft picks. Not to mention many posters on this board!

 

[Skkorpion]

Utter bunkum on the original post.

This team is no worse than 8-8 against a last place schedule on talent. The weaknesses are coaching and scheme.

 

[pinnacle]

lets call the talent..criteria: who would start for at least 1/2 of the teams in the league (16 teams)..in general:

probably would start for most teams:
1. Jones (he is probably 3rd or 4th best tight end in NFC), boldin, hodgins, shipp (iffy..probably), kendall, davis, shelton. will take heat for some of the se..but I think shelton and davis are ok...just poor decision making and they need better coaching. so..7 of 11 on offense. That is a fairly high number in my opinion.

2. defense: ...jackson...probably wilson (on potential -iffy), fisher, thompson. maybe: dennis johnson and mckinnon. I only say these two because they are playing better of late.. Not good #'s on defense..obviously...but it is hard to get quality on both sides of the ball.

Anyway...there are probably 12 of 22 starters that would start for half of the NFL teams...given the fact that we have quite a few guys who go elsewhere and play Ok...there are probably a few more guys on the list that are playing poorly here but could be better elsewhere. At the other 9 positions...there are some players that are young who may develop: bryant johnson on offense...kenny king has the talent and other teams would want him on their roster in a rotation..marcus bell has moments...pace and bryant appear to be busts right now...but do you think with new coaching and in a better system they would be better? other teams would probably take both of them - but they have not shown much here...

So we could argue all day on some of the 11 - 12 guys I named..but look at who the bears rolled out today...who cleveland rolled out when they routed us. both teams had big injury or suspension issues...how many of these teams starters (on days they played us) would start for most teams...probably less than we have!!! and they kicked our ass. we need new coaching. It would not take us to the playoffs this season - but we could get closer...

heck..with rackers now, Player mostly playing well and scobey on kickoff returns...we in theory should be average to above average on special teams (big weakness on punt returns)..

 

[jon_nyaz]

Hodgins is a definite keeper on offense. How did you miss him?

 

[RLakin]

Originally posted by Skkorpion
Utter bunkum on the original post.

This team is no worse than 8-8 against a last place schedule on talent. The weaknesses are coaching and scheme.

Define bunk. Arguing that the team that gets outscored 142-48 by four teams with a combined record of 14-31 suffers from a lack of talent or arguing that they should be 8-8??
Look, I've said many times that McGinnis is not a very good coach, but the suggestion that they should be 8-8 lies somewhere between Michael Bidwill's theory on air conditioning and the military briefings given by the artist formerly known as the Minister of Information in Iraq.
Forget the kool-aid, hide the needles.

 

[CaliCards]

Originally posted by RLakin
Define bunk. Arguing that the team that gets outscored 142-48 by four teams with a combined record of 14-31 suffers from a lack of talent or arguing that they should be 8-8??
Look, I've said many times that McGinnis is not a very good coach, but the suggestion that they should be 8-8 lies somewhere between Michael Bidwill's theory on air conditioning and the military briefings given by the artist formerly known as the Minister of Information in Iraq.
Forget the kool-aid, hide the needles.

Besides the QB position and head coach, how much better is the tallent on the Pats than there is on the Cards at every position? I agree with RLakin, and would argue that given the Cards soft schedule, Belichick (sp) would take this same Cards team and probably make a strong run at the playoffs.

 

[pinnacle]

calicard: unless I am reading you wrong..I think you disagree with Rlakin and agree with Skorp.

The patriots have more talent..but they have a bunch of people injured and not playing - and I think your statement is accurate based on who they are currently using..especially on defense. Roosevelt colvin was their biggest defensive pickup and he has been out since early in the season...Some of those guys that are starting have had marginal careers and are were considered not very good (backup material) and now suddenly they are considered decent players..

 

[CaliCards]

Originally posted by pinnacle
calicard: unless I am reading you wrong..I think you disagree with Rlakin and agree with Skorp.

The patriots have more talent..but they have a bunch of people injured and not playing - and I think your statement is accurate based on who they are currently using..especially on defense. Roosevelt colvin was their biggest defensive pickup and he has been out since early in the season...Some of those guys that are starting have had marginal careers and are were considered not very good (backup material) and now suddenly they are considered decent players..

Yes, i agree with Skkorpion and disagree with Rlakin.

 

[bratwurst]

I think that 80% of this whole debacle, and possibly even more is the coaching and scheme (more like lack of a real professional level game plan at all) is the problem here. But going even further - there is no accountability for failure here.

No matter what happens on the field or in the booth, it seems that since these are Mac's guys, they are not being held responsible for the crap we watch week in and week out.

I've said it before, when Mac didn't get rid of Marmie and Greene in the prior offseasons after having back to back seasons of an abysmal failure in the pass rush and defensively in general, his fate was sealed. You can't have that kind of effort and expect to have a job in this league.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by RLakin
Define bunk. Arguing that the team that gets outscored 142-48 by four teams with a combined record of 14-31 suffers from a lack of talent or arguing that they should be 8-8??
Look, I've said many times that McGinnis is not a very good coach, but the suggestion that they should be 8-8 lies somewhere between Michael Bidwill's theory on air conditioning and the military briefings given by the artist formerly known as the Minister of Information in Iraq.
Forget the kool-aid, hide the needles.

anyone who thinks this team has 8-8 talent - with absolutely zero ability to gerenate any kind of push from it's d-line without - or any kind of corners that can actually cover - or without any WRs besides Boldin is just not willing to admit that even though Graves has made strides WITHIN the organization - his offseason failures (addressing the pass rush, CB depth, WR STARTERS!) has just as much to do with this team being an abomination as does the horrid play calling and game management. Besides - Graves was the one who ultimately allowed Mac to make the decisions on coordinators - it's not like he gets a free pass there.

We have no one who can cover good WRs, we have no one who can rush the passer and we have only ONE WR who deserves to play on a football field - those are major holes - holes that a great coach like Parcells even couldn't get to 8-8 - and let me all clue you in on something - saying that a Parcells or Belichick could do this or that don't mean squat - they are the best coaches in the league and we don't get those - so the talent better be top notch because they will most likely need to overcompensate for whatever coach we get.

That said - this coaching staff is awful - and was last season as well - we should have pulled the trigger when two great coaches were availbale - Lewis and Mooch - instead - I fear for what we are going to replace Mac with.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by Skkorpion
Utter bunkum on the original post.

This team is no worse than 8-8 against a last place schedule on talent. The weaknesses are coaching and scheme.

FWIW, I read Saturday that the 49ers said last year an "independent" scouting service declared the 49ers to be the most talented team in the NFL. That evaluation was part of the reason Mariucci's job became an issue they believed he was underachieving with the talent he had, not clear when they made this evaluation. That same blurb reminded us that his replacement, Erickson, took most of that same talent and lost, to the team with the 3rd worst talent in the NFL, the Cardinals, not that long ago.

I don't agree about the 49er talent level I think they're very weak on both OL and DL, but apparently someone felt only 2 teams in the NFL had LESS talent than us.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
That said - this coaching staff is awful - and was last season as well - we should have pulled the trigger when two great coaches were availbale - Lewis and Mooch - instead - I fear for what we are going to replace Mac with.

I was with you until this. mooch was NEVER going anywhere but Detroit, that's his home, his kid got out of HS(Tyler mariucci) so it seemed a natural time to make a move. The 49ers were convinced he was underachieving so the move was mutual.

There was no way he was taking any other job. I agree about Lewis classic type of coach we should pursue, before we hired Tobin the Marvin Lewis of that time was Dungy, everyone knew he could coach but wouldn't give him a chance, he's shown twice now he can build a team even if he has stunk in the playoffs.

I am hoping we bring in a coach who can get something out of Bryant, pace and Johnson, I refuse to admit so early on that everyone we draft is a bust, let's face it everyone of those guys would have been drafted by someone else, Bryant definitely first round, the other 2 by the 2nd round and possibly the first. So it's not like we took guys nobody else wanted, I have to believe it's lack of development.

 

[john h]

Originally posted by pinnacle
calicard: unless I am reading you wrong..I think you disagree with Rlakin and agree with Skorp.

The patriots have more talent..but they have a bunch of people injured and not playing - and I think your statement is accurate based on who they are currently using..especially on defense. Roosevelt colvin was their biggest defensive pickup and he has been out since early in the season...Some of those guys that are starting have had marginal careers and are were considered not very good (backup material) and now suddenly they are considered decent players..

In the final analysis you define how good a team is by its won/loss record and you win or lose as a team which includes the coaches. At this point we are the 3rd worst team in the NFL ahead of San Diego and Atlanta. By the end of the season I think we will be tied with San Diego as the worst team in the NFL. I just hope they do not want Manning. If we ended up tied with them what would be the tie breaker for first pick? Coin toss? Would the Cards spend the necessary money to sign a 1st round pick????

 

[MadRob]

Here are the following low points of the players I see:

*Need an experienced Receiver
*Cornerbacks are average
*D-line (enough said)

Now I look at the Cowboys and Bengals and realize that there is just no way in hell that anyone can say they have much better talent then us!!!!

The obvious reason is the coaching.... If (of course it would never happen) Parcells came here next year, we'd be a hell of a lot better then his team this year...

This team probably really needs someone new, the problem is: Who is out there that could make an impact? I don't know if there really is anyone that could really fit this team... Fasel? Green???

 

[Redheart]

Originally posted by Skkorpion
This team is no worse than 8-8 against a last place schedule on talent. The weaknesses are coaching and scheme.

But that sounds like what Rod Graves said before season...well except for that last sentance.

(Que the creepy music from "Jaws").

That will be the song Rod sings now, "The weaknessess are coaching and scheme", and will now get to pick "his guy".

This also signals the start of the "We need time for the new coaches and team to jell" excuse-period.

This will be followed by the "Injuries" and "We need better Parking Facilites in order to be Competative" excuse-periods.

So, by the time we sit in the New Cardinals Stadium, we should be able to welcome a New GM.