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Regarding the game, to say it was disapointing is an understatement. The coaches and players should be embarrassed of the lack of effort, execution, and preparation and owe the Arizona fans who spent time and money traveling to this bowl game a big apology. Arizona sold out it's allotment in like three days and packed San Diego in the days leading up to the game. Meanwhile the team partied and basked in the glow of beating USC.

That being said, suggesting that Arizona was better off going 5-7 and not going bowling at all is idiotic at best. Everyone has clunkers and we saved ours for the postseason. That doesn't overshadow beating USC in the Coliseum, ASU in Tempe, or Oregon State in Corvallis, or going 2-0 vs Slick Rick, etc. Not to mention the $1 million the athletic department probably pocketed after all is said and done. People like AsuDude just aren't bright enough to look at the big picture. And the big picture resembles a team predicted to finish eight in the conference that went 8-5, finished 2nd in the Pac-10, beat their rival, and established program stability for the first time in over a decade playing the entire year without their only legitimate NFL 1st day draft pick and their starting RB and best pass rusher missing half the season while they undertook a QB change. If you told any Arizona fan all that in August they would've been thrilled.

Remember, Arizona is probably last in the conference in facilities and towards the bottom in coaching salaries. Anyone expecting this to be a perennial 10 win program is deluding themselves. Let's not be ASU fan and pretend we're elite when all evidence proves the contrary. I'm happy Arizona is a winning, relevant program and appears to be on the path for at least the next few years. Maybe if revenues and facilities increase we can take up expectations a notch but not right now.

Speaking of the mental midgets in Tempe, well, yucking it up at UA's failures is really all they have at the moment. The seats at SDS and WFA are empty, the AD is hemmorraging money, apathy is at an all-time high locally, and the boosters pockets are empty. In the three majors (using that term lightly by including baseball) you have a football program with a coach that has jumped the shark, plummeting GPA's and attendance, an inability to hire a coordinator despite knowing the position would be open months ago, and a bare cupboard offensively. Basketball's fine for your third sport but you'll never be confused with a Final Four program and the support around town is about as bad as the Evans' years. Who knows what's to happen with the rudderless baseball program with NCAA sanctions hanging over the program and no future with the coach in place. So yeah, keep paying attention to us and your own problems. We'll just keep winning until this cycle inevitably turns over. .
 

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That being said, suggesting that Arizona was better off going 5-7 and not going bowling at all is idiotic at best. Everyone has clunkers and we saved ours for the postseason. That doesn't overshadow beating USC in the Coliseum, ASU in Tempe, or Oregon State in Corvallis, or going 2-0 vs Slick Rick, etc. Not to mention the $1 million the athletic department probably pocketed after all is said and done. People like AsuDude just aren't bright enough to look at the big picture. And the big picture resembles a team predicted to finish eight in the conference that went 8-5, finished 2nd in the Pac-10, beat their rival, and established program stability for the first time in over a decade



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Hey now.. all I said was the debate was interesting of whether you would rather make it to a bowl game just to get run off the field and have the public opinion be that your team didn't belong on the same field... or is it better to not play in a bowl game...

So to be clear you truely believe losing by 36 on national TV did no harm to your program and recruits and public opinion will all say you just laid an egg and you are really a much better team? I am sorry I don't buy that..

And to say that this year "established program stability" is by a mile the funniest, most ********, things you have ever posted... one year at 8-5 which ended in being the only team in the 32 year history of the Holiday bowl to get shutout, and yet deem it as the year the reestablished your football program....:shock:

So go ahead and sit on your high horse and give everyone crap for their opinion; but don't sit there like you are not ASFN's version of Skip Bayless
 

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And to say that this year "established program stability" is by a mile the funniest, most ********, things you have ever posted... one year at 8-5 which ended in being the only team in the 32 year history of the Holiday bowl to get shutout, and yet deem it as the year the reestablished your football program....:shock:
Back to back 8 win seasons, contributing youth all over the roster (especially at QB), putting butts in the seats, and winning important local recruiting battles = program stability to anyone with a brain. Arizona's not a world beater or elite program by any stretch of the imagination and probably never will be but they're finally stable.

So go ahead and sit on your high horse and give everyone crap for their opinion; but don't sit there like you are not ASFN's version of Skip Bayless
Only stupid opinions - such as going 5-7 is better for your program than going 8-5 and getting smoked in your bowl game.
 
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Back to back 8 win seasons, contributing youth all over the roster (especially at QB), putting butts in the seats, and winning important local recruiting battles = program stability to anyone with a brain. Arizona's not a world beater or elite program by any stretch of the imagination and probably never will be but they're finally stable.

Only stupid opinions - such as going 5-7 is better for your program than going 8-5 and getting smoked in your bowl game.

Again.. you fail to see my point, I never said comparred ASU's season to UofA's... i am not saying I would rather have ASU's season this year.. I was asking; is it better to go 8-5 but get embarrassed in a bowl than to go 6-6 or 7-5 and maybe win a game in the emerald bowl.. Is it better to be USC or UofA at this moment..

And as far as your claim that 2 years = stability to anyone "with a brain", I will abslolutly agree your program as grown considerably the past two years, but making that claim, is like ASU fans making the claim after we got Ike Diogu and made a mini two year run that at that time our program was back to stability... a 2 year timeframe is progress, not confirmed stability...

And the arguement of you are winning local recruiting battles, don't you guys have something like 21 of your 22 starters are from outside the state of AZ.. how is that winning LOCAL recruiting? I am not saying ASU is winning either, btw, many are leaving and going out of state...
 
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Does Wazzu practice on high school fields for it's bowl games?

That implies Wazzu goes to bowl games. Im not sure where they practice in the event they make one though. A lot of teams do that though once theyre at the bowl location (i.e. ND practiced at Pinnacle HS in N Phx a few years back I recall), so I dont think thats a super big deal. Arizona Stadium is a dump but its much better than Martin. And Wazzu doesn't have anything near the caliber of the Richard Jefferson Center.
 

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Again.. you fail to see my point, I never said comparred ASU's season to UofA's... i am not saying I would rather have ASU's season this year.. I was asking; is it better to go 8-5 but get embarrassed in a bowl than to go 6-6 or 7-5 and maybe win a game in the emerald bowl.. Is it better to be USC or UofA at this moment...
Arizona in a landslide, just ask either coach or athletic director. Arizona beat USC head to head, finished higher in the standings, and pocketed a significantly larger chunk of change for appearing in the Holiday Bowl compared to the Emerald. It's really a no brainer. In your scenario you'd have head coaches tanking games at the end of the season to get more favorable bowl matchups and the ensuing goodwill that would come along with winning them.

And as far as your claim that 2 years = stability to anyone "with a brain", I will abslolutly agree your program as grown considerably the past two years, but making that claim, is like ASU fans making the claim after we got Ike Diogu and made a mini two year run that at that time our program was back to stability... a 2 year timeframe is progress, not confirmed stability....
That's an awful comparison - ASU only had one good year with Diogu then completely bottomed out never once beating Arizona or making an appearance in the top 25. A better comparison would be ASU hoops of the last couple years but then of course I'd argue that like Arizona Football that ASU Basketball is a stable program right now.

And the arguement of you are winning local recruiting battles, don't you guys have something like 21 of your 22 starters are from outside the state of AZ.. how is that winning LOCAL recruiting? I am not saying ASU is winning either, btw, many are leaving and going out of state...
Arizona's likely going to get Marquis Flowers in the next few days and is the favorite to land Kadeem Carey next, that's the state's top player in consecutive years which means you're winning local recruiting in a state with poor talent like AZ. I wouldn't expect Arizona to be starting many local kids right now because ASU was the more stable program when today's upperclassmen were bring recruited.

Your points are all rather silly.
 
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That implies Wazzu goes to bowl games. Im not sure where they practice in the event they make one though. A lot of teams do that though once theyre at the bowl location (i.e. ND practiced at Pinnacle HS in N Phx a few years back I recall), so I dont think thats a super big deal. Arizona Stadium is a dump but its much better than Martin. And Wazzu doesn't have anything near the caliber of the Richard Jefferson Center.
Arizona practices at HS fields in Tucson both in fall camp and during the season which is what I was referring to. I have no clue what Wazzu's facilities are like just that Arizona's are very bad. And the stadium is only a part of the facilities question. Arizona has very below average to poor locker rooms, practice facilities, football offices, etc.

RJ Gym and other parts of McKale doesn't apply to to conversation as assets like it explain why basketball expectations are significantly higher in Tucson than those in football.
 

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RJ Gym and other parts of McKale doesn't apply to to conversation as assets like it explain why basketball expectations are significantly higher in Tucson than those in football.

Doesnt the Jefferson facility have weight rooms and such for the entire athletics department or is it just for the basketball teams?
 

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Doesnt the Jefferson facility have weight rooms and such for the entire athletics department or is it just for the basketball teams?
Both basketball programs and women's volleyball I believe. The other weight rooms are in McKale Center that football uses. The football building which will help enclose the north side of Arizona Stadium will supposedly alleviate most of our facility issues but that's a few years away.
 

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Both basketball programs and women's volleyball I believe. The other weight rooms are in McKale Center that football uses. The football building which will help enclose the north side of Arizona Stadium will supposedly alleviate most of our facility issues but that's a few years away.

I hadnt heard about that project. Do you have a link to any renderings or info about it? The architecture nerd in me always likes checking that stuff out.
 

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So to be clear you truely believe losing by 36 on national TV did no harm to your program and recruits and public opinion will all say you just laid an egg and you are really a much better team? I am sorry I don't buy that..
Well, that's because you're a kneejerk reactionist - it's fairly common in myopic fans. Let's look at Alabama as an example. In the 2009 Sugar Bowl Alabama laid an egg and got rolled in front of essentially a home crowd. Embarrassed on national television by a MWC team. One month later they locked up the country's best recruiting class and a year later they're undefeated and playing for the national championship.

As they say in baseball - Momentum is only as good or bad as the next day's starting pitcher. This game will be forgotten in a week if not sooner and things such as recruiting, player development, and coaching decisions that take place before Arizona even takes it's next snap will determine the health of the program.
 

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Well, that's because you're a kneejerk reactionist - it's fairly common in myopic fans. Let's look at Alabama as an example. In the 2009 Sugar Bowl Alabama laid an egg and got rolled in front of essentially a home crowd. Embarrassed on national television by a MWC team. One month later they locked up the country's best recruiting class and a year later they're undefeated and playing for the national championship.

As they say in baseball - Momentum is only as good or bad as the next day's starting pitcher. This game will be forgotten in a week if not sooner and things such as recruiting, player development, and coaching decisions that take place before Arizona even takes it's next snap will determine the health of the program.

Point taken.. I love how every post you make, you take some sort of jab at me as a person rather than the argument....

I still enjoy the back and forth Mao, you might not like me, but I like you...:D
 

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Ouch. An ASU fan called us "au". Good job putting us in our place. You guys thought you were just BOWL worthy, let alone Rose Bowl worthy, and look what happened. Now there's a joke.

No ASU fan should ever comment here because, honestly, they will NEVER be unbiased. Ever.

Hrmph. Y'all think I don't keep my biases in check here?
 

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UA people do this with academics constantly, which is far more important than a sports conversation.

Yeah - so go bring it up at your next MENSA meeting. This is a sports forum and thats what everyone is discussing.
 

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Yeah - so go bring it up at your next MENSA meeting. This is a sports forum and thats what everyone is discussing.

I never meant for you to stop discussing sports, jerk. There has been discussion of ASU vs. UA academics on this very SPORTS forum very recently and my point is valid: you may think ASU fans overestimate the "eliteness" of the football program which is probably true and somewhat annoying. But what's even more annoying is UA folks overestimating the value of their education compared to ASU. Maybe you can't understand the parallel but there is no need to be a jerk. It's a valid comparison.
 
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I never meant for you to stop discussing sports, jerk. There has been discussion of ASU vs. UA academics on this very SPORTS forum very recently and my point is valid: you may think ASU fans overestimate the "eliteness" of the football program which is probably true and somewhat annoying. But what's even more annoying is UA folks overestimating the value of their education compared to ASU. Maybe you can't understand the parallel but there is no need to be a jerk. It's a valid comparison.

I was all ready to go off on you as I am not one to openly overvalue the UA education and I would likely take it a little personally as I graduated from the school.

But then I read the "reasoning" on your editing and laughed out loud. Good stuff and touche.
 

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