Holliday & Emmit update per Jurecki!

[Skkorpion]

Mike Jurecki confirms that the Cards are very close to an agreement with DT/DE Vonnie Holiday.

Also, Michael Bidwill and Bill Bidwill are the driving forces behind the attempt to sign Emmitt Smith. McGinnis likes it but some of the other coaches don't.

Smith may be offered somewhere around $9 mill for 3 years. (collective gasp of incredulity)

My comment: I've always agreed with the 49er and Packer philosophy that you can never have too many defensive linemen. Getting Vonnie Holiday would give us many more possible d-line options.

Jeff Gollin made the best point and I echo it: Vonnie Holiday is better than any other d-line player currently on the roster.

 

[HoodieBets]

Originally posted by Skkorpion
Mike Jurecki confirms that the Cards are very close to an agreement with DT/DE Vonnie Holiday.

Also, Michael Bidwill and Bill Bidwill are the driving forces behind the attempt to sign Emmitt Smith. McGinnis likes it but some of the other coaches don't.

Smith may be offered somewhere around $9 mill for 3 years. (collective gasp of incredulity)

My comment: I've always agreed with the 49er and Packer philosophy that you can never have too many defensive linemen. Getting Vonnie Holiday would give us many more possible d-line options.

Jeff Gollin made the best point and I echo it: Vonnie Holiday is better than any other d-line player currently on the roster.

Did they say anything to the effect that the contract would be front loaded? I would not mind paying him most of the money in his third year instead of the first two. That way we can see how much gas he has in his tank.

 

[RedStorm]

Originally posted by Skkorpion
Mike Jurecki confirms that the Cards are very close to an agreement with DT/DE Vonnie Holiday.

Also, Michael Bidwill and Bill Bidwill are the driving forces behind the attempt to sign Emmitt Smith. McGinnis likes it but some of the other coaches don't.

Smith may be offered somewhere around $9 mill for 3 years. (collective gasp of incredulity)

My comment: I've always agreed with the 49er and Packer philosophy that you can never have too many defensive linemen. Getting Vonnie Holiday would give us many more possible d-line options.

Jeff Gollin made the best point and I echo it: Vonnie Holiday is better than any other d-line player currently on the roster.

I agree about Holliday. We have to come to grips with reality. We did not get Colvin. He was the premier pass rusher available. We should not judge Holliday in the light of Colvin. Holliday is better than what we have. It can only go up from here as far as sack production.

 

[SweetD]

9mil for 3 years for Smith O-My not to sure if that sits well with me.

 

[TheCardFan]

Originally posted by Skkorpion
Mike Jurecki confirms that the Cards are very close to an agreement with DT/DE Vonnie Holiday.

Also, Michael Bidwill and Bill Bidwill are the driving forces behind the attempt to sign Emmitt Smith. McGinnis likes it but some of the other coaches don't.

Smith may be offered somewhere around $9 mill for 3 years. (collective gasp of incredulity)

My comment: I've always agreed with the 49er and Packer philosophy that you can never have too many defensive linemen. Getting Vonnie Holiday would give us many more possible d-line options.

Jeff Gollin made the best point and I echo it: Vonnie Holiday is better than any other d-line player currently on the roster.

I like the signing of Emmitt Smith and Holliday...however

I am not for overpaying just to get them here.

Emmitt would be a lock for 1000yds behind our oline and Holliday would be our best DL but

Emmitt is at the end of his career and Holliday has had two straight injury filled seasons. Holliday is still young and without the injuries, probably would have been GB's franchise tag recipient this year....but his injuries kept them from tagging him, IMO.

Overall, two very solid signings if the money is realistic.

On offense, that would put us a #1 WR away from being very very good on paper.

On Defense, we are still a pure rush DE, Strong/Rush LB, and a tall solid #2/3 CB away from being good on paper.

 

[Goldfield]

holliday would be very exciting, but i am not sure about payin smith that much...

we have many other needs...

 

[Chainthroer]

Hope they do get Vonnie signed, as it does not appear that Suggs will be on the board when the Cards pick. It's a must need for our defense.
As far as Emmitt, as long as the signing bonus is not much it might be ok. I realize he made about $10M last year, but, still for that kind of money he's going to have to produce decent yardage! With those numbers, they should have tried to sign Stephen Davis, whose SB was not all that high at Carolina. And then, what are they going to do with Jones???

 

[CardinalChris]

I'll get the stat comparison out later, Holliday to me has hte edge over Colvin. Plus, to sign Rosie, he would have been a DE. Talk about a liability against the run!! I have been for Holliday over Colvin the entire time. Is he a pure pass rusher? No. But he's a better player IMO.

 

[CardAvenger]

I don't want to pay Smith that much. I'd say no more than $2 mil/year. (and that's gracious)

I'd like to go into this weekend with Holiday under our belts.

 

[Zeno]

Holliday is better than any DE we currently have on the roster although I don't think he brings the pass rush that the team really needs, but I think his signing would be a good one because it would mark improvement.

As for Smith...I still go on record as saying I don't want him signed and don't feel he fills a need position on the team. I will cheer for him if he is here but I think the money could be spent more wisely eslewhere(like WR's or Center).

 

[CardinalChris]

If Holliday comes on board I would truthfully be tickled pink. we still have some holes (WR CB and DE), but I think we are much better. Add Kennedy, Leftwich or Newman and I like our team. Young, fast. I think it builds a lot for our future. This is a far cry from the suicidal mode I was in a week ago!!

 

[Ed B]

Holliday is NOT a premier pass rusher and never will be, I hope everyone keeps that in mind. He will, however, be the best D-Lineman on the roster, bar none. I hope we didn't overpay him, but he will be a welcome addition.

$3 million per for Smith is insane.

 

[MadCardDisease]

No one else wants Smith. Why would the Cardinals give him $3 million a year?

It doesn't make sense.

 

[Lex]

9 million for three years is ridiculous. Emmitt's only other option is the veteran minimum in Tampa. I'd MUCH rather have had Stephen Davis.

 

[CardinalChris]

Originally posted by Ed B
Holliday is NOT a premier pass rusher and never will be, I hope everyone keeps that in mind. He will, however, be the best D-Lineman on the roster, bar none. I hope we didn't overpay him, but he will be a welcome addition.

$3 million per for Smith is insane.

I think he is an above average pass rusher. As can be Bryant and Johnson. Now, we don't have a game changer, but we are starting to get some talent. Pure pass rushers are EXTREMELY rare. Remember, we also couldn't stop the run, and Holliday can.

 

[MAKTEN]

Originally posted by MadCardDisease
No one else wants Smith. Why would the Cardinals give him $3 million a year?

It doesn't make sense.

Its the Bidwells, they want Smith to draw cowboy fans to SDS. 3 mill a year would give us more revenue as an organization. I really hope we don't compromise the Cardinals offense by signing him as a starter for any amount of money. The coaches know that Shipp is our starter, he will get 1300-1500 next year if he plays every game next year. Oh and I'm for the Holliday signing, he will add depth and can be had for a good price.

 

[Stout]

Emmitt for 9 mill for 3 yrs? Just say no! Holliday to a slightly overpriced contract? I'd go for that. Granted, he's not a pass rush stud, but he'll probably pull in 5-10 (if not injured) and, like many have said, he'll instantly become our best D-lineman.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by Ed B
$3 million per for Smith is insane.

Thank God. I was scrolling through this thread hoping I would run into a post from you confirming the complete ridiculousness of that much for Emmitt. I think the wavering by the coaches speaks volumes and I also think the fact the Bidwills are heavily involved in this signing points right to it being a PR move as much as anything else. I wonder also, if this now starts the handcuffing of Graves now that they have taken the lead (speculation on my part purely).

That signing for that amount is STUPID!

Listen to Ed about Holliday. Believe me he is right on this. Holliday may very well be better than any DL we currently have but he is not going to light the world on fire either. He will be solid but don't be shocked when relatively minor injuries keep him out of the lineup. I said in another thread, I wouldn't do backflips over signing him but at the same time I wouldn't be disappointed.

Did I mention $3 million per year for Emmitt is assinine?!?!?!?

 

[pinnacle]

OK Ok..I can live with holliday..I agree he is upgrade over what we had..I was hoping for a little better..but there is nothing better available right now.

Emmitt: $9 mil for 3 years..are we nuts? this better be way backloaded and full of incentives so that if he has no gas in the tank we can let him go..

what really concerns me about emmitt:

1. It is a bidwill decision.. It sounds like graves has been calling the shots on most things..but not emmitt (pure speculation on my part)..let the guy do his plan.

2. I think the cardinals had a plan when they signed shipp last season that he was #1..then emmitt pops up..change of plans..if it is $9 mil for 3 years..I would rather have gone after davis if we wanted a running back..

I only want emmitt if it is a reasonable deal - $9 mil over 3 is not reasonable..Also..I thought a plus to emmitt would be recruiting other free agents (i.e. get him in a room with young guys and get them going)..but we are near the end of the free agent period.. not sure we had a choice (emmitt was slow coming in)..but I would have rather signed emmitt first and used him in recruiting..

 

[Red Air Force]

As long as they keep Emmit's SB low I could care less how much salary they give him. I seriously doubt he will make it all three years, so bring him in without making him a liability. No matter what we are a better team with him on the squad, just don't sacrafice the team to bring him in.

 

[Ed B]

Originally posted by CaliforniaCard
As long as they keep Emmit's SB low I could care less how much salary they give him. I seriously doubt he will make it all three years, so bring him in without making him a liability. No matter what we are a better team with him on the squad, just don't sacrafice the team to bring him in.

Yeah, we can cut him and rid ourselves of salary pretty painlessly.

 

[ajcardfan]

Originally posted by Ed B
Yeah, we can cut him and rid ourselves of salary pretty painlessly.

If the bonus is 3mil, or less, then the total of that contract is okay with me. We'll clear 500k when we cut Jones after Smith is signed, so you should take that into account for his cap hit this year.

I hope Holliday is signed by Monday at the latest. If it goes past that, he wants too much money, and we might lose him. We just can't whiff on DE in free agency again this year.

 

[Second Deck]

I was orginally not for bringing Emmitt in but now feel like he is such a class individual and think that having his winning attitude would be worth having on the team.

I know if he does sign what name my next Cards jersey will have on it and I hate the Cowturds.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by MAKTEN
The coaches know that Shipp is our starter, he will get 1300-1500 next year if he plays every game next year.

Whoa, boys. Let's settle down here a little bit. 1300-1500 yards? Marcel Shipp? Let's look at it this way: the full list of rushers who went over 1300 yds last season are as follows:

RNK NAME ATT YDS
1 R. Williams, MIA 383 1853
2 L. Tomlinson, SD 372 1683
3 Priest Holmes, KC 313 1615
4 C. Portis, DEN 273 1508
5 Travis Henry, BUF 325 1438
6 D. McAllister, NO 325 1388
7 Tiki Barber, NYG 304 1387
8 Jamal Lewis, BAL 308 1327
9 Fred Taylor, JAC 287 1314
10 Corey Dillon, CIN 314 1311

Shipp's a nice back. A good player. But he is none of these guys. Shipp is a good back. These guys are great ones. Backs that failed to make the list were Ahman Green, Shaun Alexander, Curtis Martin, Edge James, Charlie Garner, and M. Faulk. Marcel isn't anywhere near this caliber of running back, and never will be. Shipp should count himself lucky to have a carreer like James Stewart. That's the kind of back he is. A great year for him would be 1100 yards, but I suspect he'll probably average more like 850-900 a season.

To have a 1300 yard season, Marcel would have to average 82 yards a game. No way.

 

[Ryanwb]

I am willing to bet this is a back loaded contact with very little guaranteed money. Or I am completely wrong and they did the "Cardinals Special" and he is getting the same salary for 3 years.